maybe we shouldnt have got rid of Worthy

[ncfclad 0]

I am expecting a back lash, but maybe it was our fault for expecting too much. 14th wasnt good enough after 9 games for us and neither was the previous season when we finished 9th.

http://www.canaries.co.uk/page/LeagueTable/0,,10355~20060923,00.html

Following the sacking of Worthy we have now had relegation battles under Grant, Roeder and now Gunn. We will now be playing league one football next season.

[city-till-i-die 7]

maybe we shouldnt have got rid of......ashton...earnshaw...hucks...green...etc etc etc

[Don,tPanic 0]

I very much agree.....well said

[Yorkshire Canary 118]

On reflection i agree, although things had got pretty bad. After he left it has been headlong decline all the way

[alex_ncfc 662]

F*cking brilliant post, I was one of the one''s advocating Worthy leave but now looking back at how disgusted we were with a 9th placed finish, madness.

[BCanary 0]

We''ll never know now.Despite Worthy''s faults, our expectations and the money he may have wasted - I can''t see that he would have ever taken us to these depths. Of course, we will never know now, nor were we to know at the time that the board would be so calamitous in appointing a replacement.

[The Butler 0]

Dont let Nutty hear you say this!!

He will be phoning the Irish FA tonight[:D]

[ZLF 274]

Worthy was kept too long.  He sewed the seeds of decline with the purchases of Jarrett HUghes etc followed by the next season signing JUST croft and insisting the squad was good enough when it plainly was not. He embraced the trend for large numbers of loan players and frittered away the parachute money when it was the best chance to get re-promoted.

The one thing the board have learnt from worthy is to get rid quicker,  which they have done with Roeder and Grant since,  but continue to appoint losers. 

[GJP 79]

Didn''t get the backing to sign his top targets when he needed it which is why we struggled a bit after we came down from the Premier League.

Think it''s unlikely it would have got this bad under him.

[wilw6 0]

Worthy''s time as manager had ran its course imo. The problems were when Grunt was appointed, then Roeder, then Gunn. The 3 Stooges.

[alex_ncfc 662]

[quote user="wilw6"]Worthy''s time as manager had ran its course imo. The problems were when Grunt was appointed, then Roeder, then Gunn. The 3 Stooges.[/quote]

With Gunn being by far the worst of all. Jobs for friends and all that sh*t

[Lambo 0]

Worthy needed the board to back him from the go in the PL. If we''d have signed Ashton at the start of the season rather than in January i beleive we''d have stayed up.

I personally don''t think our current situation is the fault of any single manager, just several seasons of stupidity by the board.

[whoareyou? 0]

Why all this bring back Worthington nonsense?

We were just as bad as this at the end of his tenure too!

[Clever Farke 65]

[quote user="alex_ncfc"]

[quote user="wilw6"]Worthy''s time as manager had ran its course imo. The problems were when Grunt was appointed, then Roeder, then Gunn. The 3 Stooges.[/quote]

With Gunn being by far the worst of all. Jobs for friends and all that sh*t

[/quote]

Has Gunn had the time and resources available to Grant and Roeder? You can hardly say he is worse than those 2.  We are in this mess due to the inept Grant and the arrogant fool Roeder with a huge helping hand from the clueless and penniless club owners.

[Lambo 0]

We were 14th when he was sacked, how many of us would kill to be in that position now?

[whoareyou? 0]

[quote user="Lambo"]We were 14th when he was sacked, how many of us would kill to be in that position now?[/quote]

 

14th and on a deep slide. He had lost the dressing room when he left.

[Canary02 III 0]

Worthy had his chance, did well, and then ran out of ideas which was obvious to all. He went at the right time (or about a year too late with the benefit of hindsight).

We shouldn''t romanticise a moderately successful manager and try and turn him into something he wasn''t. Lack of perspective has clouded judgement at this club for too long as it is.

[Norwich R Us 59]

To be fair, we all expected worthy would be ousted for one reason and one reason only, that being to hire an improvement and to make forward progress.But what did the board follow up with? Lets have a lookey.Peter Grant - Appointed on the basis that West Ham got to the FA cup final combined with his highlightless time playing for. This was probably the biggest shambles I have witnessed in 20 years of following Norwich. Utterly clueless and transferred in nothing but dead wood. But what was expected? A worthy style roll the dice cheap option minor miracle I presume? May as well have appointed any ex player and just hoped for the best..... Oh wait, that was this season. EXCELLENT CALL BOARD!!11!1!1Glenn "Arsene" Roeder - 1 season wonder. Did the job then ripped our already depleted squad apart, getting rid of huckerby in favour of Premier League school kidz and souring relationships everytime he opened his mouth. I have to give the board credit for this initial appointment, he did perform a miracle in saving us last season, I also think they sacked him at the right time, but wait, how did the board decide to progress from here....? Bryan "Team Norwich" Gunn - Oh thats right, THEY HIRED A CLUB ODDJOB MAN TO TAKE MANAGERIAL COMMAND OF A CHAMPIONSHIP SURVIVAL CAMPAIGN. Well, I guess Worthy did say no first.....* SPEECHLESS *  May as well have made Doomcaster assistant manager while they were at it. I just cannot believe they could be so inept that they pin all our hopes on a sentimental, major risk appointment. When has sentimentality ever been a good business model? Never. The planned ''feel good factor'' lasted 1 measely game. Absolutely pathetic. Gunn is wayyyy out his depth and should never have been close to managing this """"ambitious"""" football club. HOW COULD THE BOARD NOT HAVE REALISED THIS WAS CLUB SUICIDE??? 1 RESULT AND THEY ARE ALL WOOED TO THE POINT OF BLIND IRRATIONALITY?????    HOW F*****G STUPID ARE THEY????All of this while pissing money away on minor income off field activities, selling our best (doesn''t say a lot) players to the first bidder at every oppurtunity and allowing our quality of football to slide down the toilet at a rapid pace.There''s a pattern with this board, 1 awful decision in replaced by an even more awful decision, which in turn is repleaced by an even MORE AWFUL DECISION etc etc

PROTESTS MUST HAPPEN BEFORE THESE IDIOTS RUIN OUR CLUB BEYOND REPAIR.

[Syteanric 1]

[quote]To be fair, we all expected worthy would be ousted for one reason and one reason only, that being to hire an improvement and to make forward progress.

But what did the board follow up with? Lets have a lookey.

Peter Grant - Appointed on the basis that West Ham got to the FA cup final combined with his highlightless time playing for. This was probably the biggest shambles I have witnessed in 20 years of following Norwich. Utterly clueless and transferred in nothing but dead wood. But what was expected? A worthy style roll the dice cheap option minor miracle I presume? May as well have appointed any ex player and just hoped for the best..... Oh wait, that was this season. EXCELLENT CALL BOARD!!11!1!1

Glenn "Arsene" Roeder - 1 season wonder. Did the job then ripped our already depleted squad apart, getting rid of huckerby in favour of Premier League school kidz and souring relationships everytime he opened his mouth. I have to give the board credit for this initial appointment, he did perform a miracle in saving us last season, I also think they sacked him at the right time, but wait, how did the board decide to progress from here....?

Bryan "Team Norwich" Gunn - Oh thats right, THEY HIRED A CLUB ODDJOB MAN TO TAKE MANAGERIAL COMMAND OF A CHAMPIONSHIP SURVIVAL CAMPAIGN. Well, I guess Worthy did say no first.....* SPEECHLESS *  May as well have made Doomcaster assistant manager while they were at it. I just cannot believe they could be so inept that they pin all our hopes on a sentimental, major risk appointment. When has sentimentality ever been a good business model? Never. The planned ''feel good factor'' lasted 1 measely game. Absolutely pathetic. Gunn is wayyyy out his depth and should never have been close to managing this """"ambitious"""" football club. HOW COULD THE BOARD NOT HAVE REALISED THIS WAS CLUB SUICIDE??? 1 RESULT AND THEY ARE ALL WOOED TO THE POINT OF BLIND IRRATIONALITY?????    HOW F*****G STUPID ARE THEY????

All of this while pissing money away on minor income off field activities, selling our best (doesn''t say a lot) players to the first bidder at every oppurtunity and allowing our quality of football to slide down the toilet at a rapid pace.

There''s a pattern with this board, 1 awful decision in replaced by an even more awful decision, which in turn is repleaced by an even MORE AWFUL DECISION etc etc


PROTESTS MUST HAPPEN BEFORE THESE IDIOTS RUIN OUR CLUB BEYOND REPAIR.



[/quote]spot on! if i could shake your hand i would! 100% spot on!

anyone who thinks are board are not incompetant is a bloody fool!

jas :)

[chicken 0]

[quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"]

Worthy was kept too long.  He sewed the seeds of decline with the purchases of Jarrett HUghes etc followed by the next season signing JUST croft and insisting the squad was good enough when it plainly was not. He embraced the trend for large numbers of loan players and frittered away the parachute money when it was the best chance to get re-promoted.

The one thing the board have learnt from worthy is to get rid quicker,  which they have done with Roeder and Grant since,  but continue to appoint losers. 

[/quote]Jarett was a gamble but cost nothing in transfer fees as he was a free. Hughes at £500-£600k was expensive although we did at least get a fee for him when he left. But he was never really backed with a lot of money other than when we signed Ashton, sold him and then bought Earnshaw. And what he was able to do was keep a team together. Grant managed to reject most of the team and replace them with expensive replacements after being loaded with money by the board that were worse - not better than those he had turfed out. Roeder was then left with the scraps and it seems reletively little money to spend.One thing Worthington gave you was a reliable record in the transfer market - even though at times he was not given that little bit extra for his top targets. Etuhu for £400k, Safri £500k, Croft for £600k, Huckerby for £750k, Drury for £500k, McKenzie for £325k, Holt for £135k, Francis £250k . . . . . the list goes on. Yes you do have the likes of Hughes and Heckingbottom amoungst others but you can''t help but see that all of those players were a snip at that price, or at the very least improved under Worthington to become more valuable assets. You could almost argue that Worthington kept this club up not only by results but by funding his own team. Not only that but he has since gone on and done well in other appointments saving Leicester from relegation and now impressing as an international manager.There is defenitely an argument to be had here. But then you also have to ask if the board managed to get it right in Worthington why is it that they failed in Grant and in Roeder? Or is it that Rioch and Worthington were more luck than judgement?

[whoareyou? 0]

[quote user="chicken"][quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"]

Worthy was kept too long.  He sewed the seeds of decline with the purchases of Jarrett HUghes etc followed by the next season signing JUST croft and insisting the squad was good enough when it plainly was not. He embraced the trend for large numbers of loan players and frittered away the parachute money when it was the best chance to get re-promoted.

The one thing the board have learnt from worthy is to get rid quicker,  which they have done with Roeder and Grant since,  but continue to appoint losers. 

[/quote]

Jarett was a gamble but cost nothing in transfer fees as he was a free. Hughes at £500-£600k was expensive although we did at least get a fee for him when he left. But he was never really backed with a lot of money other than when we signed Ashton, sold him and then bought Earnshaw. And what he was able to do was keep a team together. Grant managed to reject most of the team and replace them with expensive replacements after being loaded with money by the board that were worse - not better than those he had turfed out. Roeder was then left with the scraps and it seems reletively little money to spend.

One thing Worthington gave you was a reliable record in the transfer market - even though at times he was not given that little bit extra for his top targets. Etuhu for £400k, Safri £500k, Croft for £600k, Huckerby for £750k, Drury for £500k, McKenzie for £325k, Holt for £135k, Francis £250k . . . . . the list goes on. Yes you do have the likes of Hughes and Heckingbottom amoungst others but you can''t help but see that all of those players were a snip at that price, or at the very least improved under Worthington to become more valuable assets. You could almost argue that Worthington kept this club up not only by results but by funding his own team. Not only that but he has since gone on and done well in other appointments saving Leicester from relegation and now impressing as an international manager.

There is defenitely an argument to be had here. But then you also have to ask if the board managed to get it right in Worthington why is it that they failed in Grant and in Roeder? Or is it that Rioch and Worthington were more luck than judgement?
[/quote]

For every Safri, Huckerby etc there is a Jarrett, Hughes, Carl Robinson!!, Zesh Reham, Simon Charlton, Peter Thorne, Louis-Jean...i suspect your rose-tinted spectacles are a liitle too rose-tinted tonight!

[Two Tails 0]

To be fair about Peter Thorne, his goalscoring record before coming to Norwich was fantastic and he had experience of playing alongside Earnie.

[Buncey 1]

[quote user="whoareyou"][quote user="chicken"][quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"]

Worthy was kept too long.  He sewed the seeds of decline with the purchases of Jarrett HUghes etc followed by the next season signing JUST croft and insisting the squad was good enough when it plainly was not. He embraced the trend for large numbers of loan players and frittered away the parachute money when it was the best chance to get re-promoted.

The one thing the board have learnt from worthy is to get rid quicker,  which they have done with Roeder and Grant since,  but continue to appoint losers. 

[/quote]Jarett was a gamble but cost nothing in transfer fees as he was a free. Hughes at £500-£600k was expensive although we did at least get a fee for him when he left. But he was never really backed with a lot of money other than when we signed Ashton, sold him and then bought Earnshaw. And what he was able to do was keep a team together. Grant managed to reject most of the team and replace them with expensive replacements after being loaded with money by the board that were worse - not better than those he had turfed out. Roeder was then left with the scraps and it seems reletively little money to spend.One thing Worthington gave you was a reliable record in the transfer market - even though at times he was not given that little bit extra for his top targets. Etuhu for £400k, Safri £500k, Croft for £600k, Huckerby for £750k, Drury for £500k, McKenzie for £325k, Holt for £135k, Francis £250k . . . . . the list goes on. Yes you do have the likes of Hughes and Heckingbottom amoungst others but you can''t help but see that all of those players were a snip at that price, or at the very least improved under Worthington to become more valuable assets. You could almost argue that Worthington kept this club up not only by results but by funding his own team. Not only that but he has since gone on and done well in other appointments saving Leicester from relegation and now impressing as an international manager.There is defenitely an argument to be had here. But then you also have to ask if the board managed to get it right in Worthington why is it that they failed in Grant and in Roeder? Or is it that Rioch and Worthington were more luck than judgement?[/quote]

For every Safri, Huckerby etc there is a Jarrett, Hughes, Carl Robinson!!, Zesh Reham, Simon Charlton, Peter Thorne, Louis-Jean...i suspect your rose-tinted spectacles are a liitle too rose-tinted tonight!

[/quote]You only have to have 11 players.... Safri, Francis, Holt, Mulryne, Huckerby, Croft, Jonson and Hughes or Fozzy, Lappin, Cligan, Russell, Brellier and Hoolahan. Or how about Crouch, Ashton, Huckerby, Earnshaw, McKenzie, Dublin and Svensson or Cureton, Cort, Sibierski, Brown, Strihavka and Jimmy Smith.

[Dean Coneys boots 1,400]

The problem was no Worthy going- but the pathetic way new managers have to totally overhaul teams. It is arrogance. In effect we have spent millions on nothing paying for Grants misfits and loans and then Roedrs. The thing that sent Norwich from being top champ outfit to dross is the massive massive turnover of staff. End of. It has bankrupt us and left us with no unity, progression or quality.

[The Fish Seller 0]

[quote user="the artist formerly known as VIYAG"]

The problem was no Worthy going- but the pathetic way new managers have to totally overhaul teams. It is arrogance. In effect we have spent millions on nothing paying for Grants misfits and loans and then Roedrs. The thing that sent Norwich from being top champ outfit to dross is the massive massive turnover of staff. End of. It has bankrupt us and left us with no unity, progression or quality.

[/quote]I''d agree with this in part but we actually made a very healthy profit indeed on the staff turnovers, something in the region of £16m profit. Maybe a little re-investment along the way might have been a good idea?

[Syteanric 1]

[quote user="Two Tails"]To be fair about Peter Thorne, his goalscoring record before coming to Norwich was fantastic and he had experience of playing alongside Earnie.
[/quote]

agreed.. it just didnt work out for him here.. he is still one of the most prolific strikers of the past decade and scores for fun for Bradford....

jas :)

[canaryfan68 0]

We were right to get rid of Worthy, but we lacked the bottle to do it at the right time and just let things come to a head. Our mistake was to appoint a manager who wasn''t a manager and doing things on the cheap as usual rather than apppoint a proven manager. You only have to look at our history of appointing managers under Delia''s reign to see things were destined to fail.( I wonder who does the recruitment within the catering company - hope they have alot more success than we do on the footballing side). We then appointed Roeder who was out of the game and was in nodoyts radar so again we went for the cheap option!

[The Voice of the Thorpe Area 0]

No, we should have got rid of Worthington, but we should have appointed someone who had even a vague idea what to do...

[wilw6 0]

[quote user="canaryfan68"]We were right to get rid of Worthy, but we lacked the bottle to do it at the right time and just let things come to a head. Our mistake was to appoint a manager who wasn''t a manager and doing things on the cheap as usual rather than apppoint a proven manager. You only have to look at our history of appointing managers under Delia''s reign to see things were destined to fail.( I wonder who does the recruitment within the catering company - hope they have alot more success than we do on the footballing side). We then appointed Roeder who was out of the game and was in nodoyts radar so again we went for the cheap option![/quote]

And followed this by appointing Gunn who cost absolutely sod all and  had a similar level of managerial experience. & who is unlikely to raise his voice against any board decisions, basically a Yes man to Delia. Get shot of him before the next season starts, or we''ll be subjected to more after match rubbish about penalties being denied, all in it together, bleeding yellow & green etc. Time to cut the crap & get this club sorted out.

 

[JJ 0]

I think the rot had long kicked in before Worthy was sacked.  A 9th place finish sounds good on paper now, but in truth it was achieved on home form alone with a number of very fortunate wins along the way.  It papered over the cracks of the poor signings we had made plus the luck we had, and this really hit home the following season, especially when we didn''t invest heavily in the summer.

I''ll have to check the stats, but I''m sure at the beginning of 05-06, Worthy spent less than we actually received in transfer fees.  By Xmas, despite parachute payments, we were struggling to spend £50,000 on Carl Robinson which was when the alarm bells began to ring.