Safe standing 'seats' - any feedback?

[Wings of a Sparrow 1,708]

Can anybody shed any light on their general experience?

 

[JamieNorfolk 81]

Picture standing in the barclay, with a rail in front of you & you've experienced it. I'm more interested to understand if they will increase capacity as a result of safe standing, as I don't think it was unsafe before safe standing. 

[Wings of a Sparrow 1,708]

2 minutes ago, JamieNorfolk said:

Picture standing in the barclay, with a rail in front of you & you've experienced it. I'm more interested to understand if they will increase capacity as a result of safe standing, as I don't think it was unsafe before safe standing. 

My understanding was the same seating arrangement was being used, so no increase to capacity.

[Fen Canary 1,456]

4 minutes ago, JamieNorfolk said:

Picture standing in the barclay, with a rail in front of you & you've experienced it. I'm more interested to understand if they will increase capacity as a result of safe standing, as I don't think it was unsafe before safe standing. 

I’ll say in the future they will look to increase the capacity from it. In Germany it’s 3 standing for every 2 seats whereas England it’s current 1-1. Hopefully that’s just a way of getting it introduced, then down the track they can push to increase the capacity 

[JamieNorfolk 81]

Just now, Wings of a Sparrow said:

My understanding was the same seating arrangement was being used, so no increase to capacity.

Yeah that's the case currently but I dunno if they could bin the seats off all together, lock them in the up position, then double the capacity. 

[Capt. Pants 5,008]

I don't see how the seat itself increases safety or why you would want to use it during a game.

However if you want to use the stadium for purposes otherthan football such as a concert then perhaps the seats are useful.

At the England women's game at CR everybody sat but that was probably because of the more diverse audience (including lots of kids). Against Magdeburg everybody stood but there wasn't a crowd. It is yet to be seen how it works at a proper match, but I suspect there will be no different.

Increasing capacity and revenue with little additional spend would be a huge thing for NCFC but in the meantime the Lower Barclay is no different to what it was last season. We just hope the novelty improves the atmosphere in that stand which spreads to other areas.

 

[Bigbrenn 88]

I think Everton are exploring the option of two supporters per seating/standing area 

One stands and watches Dyche-bred six foot plus athletes spend the entire game stopping the other side playing, bruteball if you like.

The seated person pays to swap places for set-pieces to watch the ball fired into the box causing chaos amongst pushing and shoving said brutes to force the ball over the line cue both types of supporters to go all limbs.

[A Load of Squit 6,260]

40 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

I don't see how the seat itself increases safety or why you would want to use it during a game.

However if you want to use the stadium for purposes otherthan football such as a concert then perhaps the seats are useful.

At the England women's game at CR everybody sat but that was probably because of the more diverse audience (including lots of kids). Against Magdeburg everybody stood but there wasn't a crowd. It is yet to be seen how it works at a proper match, but I suspect there will be no different.

Increasing capacity and revenue with little additional spend would be a huge thing for NCFC but in the meantime the Lower Barclay is no different to what it was last season. We just hope the novelty improves the atmosphere in that stand which spreads to other areas.

 

That's a UEFA ruling.

Standing is only permitted for domestic competitions, any UEFA or FIFA games must be all seated.

I mean we'd look right chumps if we qualified for the Champions League and were not allowed to use part of the ground due to the seating arrangements.  😀

[Wings of a Sparrow 1,708]

My personal opinion is that this is case of a sledgehammer to crack a nut...hear me out...

Because the stewards could never get everyone to sit down (as required by ground regulations) it was easier to have safe standing, this ensuring that persistent standing wouldn't lead to potential issues (stand closure, fines) in the future with football's governing bodies.

*Given that it isn't really about enhancement of the match day experience.

[Pyro Pete 2,353]

1 hour ago, A Load of Squit said:

I mean we'd look right chumps if we qualified for the Champions League and were not allowed to use part of the ground due to the seating arrangements.  😀

If? If?

I think you mean, when'.

[Fen Canary 1,456]

1 hour ago, Wings of a Sparrow said:

My personal opinion is that this is case of a sledgehammer to crack a nut...hear me out...

Because the stewards could never get everyone to sit down (as required by ground regulations) it was easier to have safe standing, this ensuring that persistent standing wouldn't lead to potential issues (stand closure, fines) in the future with football's governing bodies.

*Given that it isn't really about enhancement of the match day experience.

A majority of fans in those areas wanted it as well, so fair play to the club for listening 

[Wings of a Sparrow 1,708]

2 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

A majority of fans in those areas wanted it as well, so fair play to the club for listening 

I get that, but as they were (mostly) standing anyway...

*Also I think people thought they'd get something entirely different.

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,220]

2 hours ago, Capt. Pants said:

I don't see how the seat itself increases safety or why you would want to use it during a game.

However if you want to use the stadium for purposes otherthan football such as a concert then perhaps the seats are useful.

At the England women's game at CR everybody sat but that was probably because of the more diverse audience (including lots of kids). Against Magdeburg everybody stood but there wasn't a crowd. It is yet to be seen how it works at a proper match, but I suspect there will be no different.

Increasing capacity and revenue with little additional spend would be a huge thing for NCFC but in the meantime the Lower Barclay is no different to what it was last season. We just hope the novelty improves the atmosphere in that stand which spreads to other areas.

 

Safe standing was in place in the Snakepit for the play off game against Leeds.

Most people around me still sat except for corners, promising attacks etc when they stood, much as we did before the rails went in.

I suspect more people will stand in the coming season, I personally won't be affected by it much as I am the last seat in the safe standing area, the seat to my right is not in the safe standing area.

We sat in the Lower Barclay for the Lionesses game, we do not know if we have all put on weight since the last home game as the safe standing there seemed a little more "snug" than in the Snakepit 😀.........

[Newtopia 573]

23 minutes ago, Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB said:

Safe standing was in place in the Snakepit for the play off game against Leeds.

Most people around me still sat except for corners, promising attacks etc when they stood, much as we did before the rails went in.

I suspect more people will stand in the coming season, I personally won't be affected by it much as I am the last seat in the safe standing area, the seat to my right is not in the safe standing area.

We sat in the Lower Barclay for the Lionesses game, we do not know if we have all put on weight since the last home game as the safe standing there seemed a little more "snug" than in the Snakepit 😀.........

Did the rails mean you felt you weren’t going to fall forward or backwards?

[Paul101 190]

3 hours ago, Wings of a Sparrow said:

Can anybody shed any light on their general experience?

 

the same as standing up no real change other than a rail to lean on

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,220]

2 hours ago, Newtopia said:

Did the rails mean you felt you weren’t going to fall forward or backwards?

As Paul 101 says above, as far as where we sit we still have our old seats, just a rail in from to lean on.

The rail for the seats in the row behind is behind your seatt, so if you lean back you knock your head on it.

Personally I found it more comfortable to sit and lean on the rail, the rail seemed too low to lean on when standing..........

Edited July 27 by Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB

[Nik Vawn 344]

The rails were up in the Snake pit near us at the end of last season, the atmosphere then was pretty good, my impression was that people in the area really enjoyed the experience. 

[GodlyOtsemobor 2,830]

Safe standing 'seats' - any feedback?

Yeah, the plastic isn't very sturdy so I'd suggest standing on the concrete and folding the chair up. 

Hope this helps. 

[Midlands Yellow 4,682]

Will safe standing spread to the City Stand next? 

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,220]

2 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Will safe standing spread to the City Stand next? 

It already has, we sit opposite the away fans and our seats are classed as being in the Snakepit although we do not sit in the Snakepit corner............

[......and Smith must score. 1,596]

4 hours ago, Paul101 said:

the same as standing up no real change other than a rail to lean on

Handy if you're p*ssed.

[......and Smith must score. 1,596]

27 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Will safe standing spread to the City Stand next? 

If they reduce the ticket holding age by about 50 years can't see why it wouldn't be a goer.

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,220]

29 minutes ago, ......and Smith must score. said:

If they reduce the ticket holding age by about 50 years can't see why it wouldn't be a goer.

We are no spring chickens (three of us with a combined age of 200+) and we will be spectating from the safe standing area in the City Stand (see my reply to Midlands) 😀................

[......and Smith must score. 1,596]

34 minutes ago, ......and Smith must score. said:

If they reduce the ticket holding age by about 50 years can't see why it wouldn't be a goer.

 

2 minutes ago, Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB said:

We are no spring chickens (three of us with a combined age of 200+) and we will be spectating from the safe standing area in the City Stand (see my reply to Midlands) 😀................

Sorry FJSPSOB.......I forgot to add a winky 😀

[Google Bot 3,929]

As above, it's just a rail in front of the seats, which I guess is good as it's the cheapest way to put in place and allow for us to stand.  They're not all that sturdy as you can shake them as kinda hooped round the back of the seats in front.

I really liked the experience must admit, just a bit weird when people decide to sit and can't see a thing - why would you even do that?  At least they can't moan anymore though, which is a the best part of this.  It's nice to have that rail to lean on when looking wide for corner kicks and such like though.

Funny enough, in terms of safety it seems less safer to get in and out as there's less room to step back and let people walk buy to get to their seats.  A lot of people jumping over the railings instead, folding the chairs down in front to get a foot up.  Someone is gonna come a cropper doing that.

The old terracing was much safer in my opinion, nice and simple.   I expect this is some kind of phase 1 plan, and the original seats will come out and become more flush?

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,220]

6 minutes ago, Google Bot said:

As above, it's just a rail in front of the seats, which I guess is good as it's the cheapest way to put in place and allow for us to stand.  They're not all that sturdy as you can shake them as kinda hooped round the back of the seats in front.

I really liked the experience must admit, just a bit weird when people decide to sit and can't see a thing - why would you even do that?  At least they can't moan anymore though, which is a the best part of this.  It's nice to have that rail to lean on when looking wide for corner kicks and such like though.

Funny enough, in terms of safety it seems less safer to get in and out as there's less room to step back and let people walk buy to get to their seats.  A lot of people jumping over the railings instead, folding the chairs down in front to get a foot up.  Someone is gonna come a cropper doing that.

The old terracing was much safer in my opinion, nice and simple.   I expect this is some kind of phase 1 plan, and the original seats will come out and become more flush?

Totally agree with what you say, not at all what I was expecting.

I can also see people tripping over the steel plates where the posts are fixed to the terracing until they get used to the fact they are there.............

[Midlands Yellow 4,682]

32 minutes ago, Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB said:

We are no spring chickens (three of us with a combined age of 200+) and we will be spectating from the safe standing area in the City Stand (see my reply to Midlands) 😀................

3 of the young uns then. 

[Nuff Said 5,960]

6 hours ago, Pyro Pete said:

If? If?

I think you mean, when'.

You’re not on TWTD you know.

[kingsway 101]

A complete no brainer, something that should have happened 20+ years ago!

 

Improves the safety cause you now can't get pushed into the next row and ends the 32 year old Barclay end arguments about people standing up!

 

The exits and concourses aren't designed for more fans so it would decrease the safety levels increasing the capacity!

 

I personally enjoyed standing in front of a rail in the Barclay lower tier on Friday night!

 

[Danke bitte 1,154]

Really good. And useful for when you have a lull in the game for a little sit down and lean. Equally you can lean back on the one behind you if you want to ease right into the experience.