Hoffs first friendly away at Stevenage

[Soldier on 290]

Not playing local Norfolk clubs this year seemingly .

Only 3 weeks on Tuesday. Wonder who we will have available on the night. Quite a few with delayed returns to pre season on the back of International stuff.

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1 hour ago, Soldier on said:

Not playing local Norfolk clubs this year seemingly .

Only 3 weeks on Tuesday. Wonder who we will have available on the night. Quite a few with delayed returns to pre season on the back of International stuff.

Nah. Gus, Grant and Kenny will be back on 24th June, in bags of time for pre-season 🤣

[cambridgeshire canary 7,799]

Given last time we played Kings Lynn we got fined as they decided to cry and complain to the FA about our fans chanting rude things I don't think we will be playing them in any friendlies anytime soon.

[......and Smith must score. 1,600]

Don't usually bother with friendlies very much but might trundle down there for another one on the ground-ticking exercise.

[GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 2,035]

This will be the same time as one of the Euro 24 semi finals, I believe?

[NewNestCarrow 290]

21 hours ago, Soldier on said:

Not playing local Norfolk clubs this year seemingly .

Only 3 weeks on Tuesday. Wonder who we will have available on the night. Quite a few with delayed returns to pre season on the back of International stuff.

The first couple of friendlies are almost totally irrelevant. Last season at Kings Lynn Krul, Placheta, Mumba, Tomkinson, Hills & Tzolis were all on duty. 

[Old Shuck 291]

21 hours ago, Soldier on said:

Not playing local Norfolk clubs this year seemingly .

Only 3 weeks on Tuesday. Wonder who we will have available on the night. Quite a few with delayed returns to pre season on the back of International stuff.

I think the club are wary of, a) rock hard and bumpy pitches which can **** up an ankle or knee very easily and, b) opposing players who relish the opportunity of going in studs high on a Norwich player just to make a bit of a name for themselves.

Am sure one of the friendlies just last summer got a bit tasty from the opponents perspective. 

Don't need that. 

[FenwayFrank 2,717]

Local clubs are playing the U23 team

[A Load of Squit 6,260]

19 hours ago, GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary said:

This will be the same time as one of the Euro 24 semi finals, I believe?

So that means Gunn, McLean & Hanley won't be avaialble. 😀

[SwearyCanary 1,340]

On 14/06/2024 at 12:15, cambridgeshire canary said:

Given last time we played Kings Lynn we got fined as they decided to cry and complain to the FA about our fans chanting rude things I don't think we will be playing them in any friendlies anytime soon.

I wonder if the large proportion of young fans and their parents seeing it as an opportunity to watch a friendly without the usual crowd abuse were a factor in Kings Lynn complaining. Which I absolutely agree with. If you had a young child go to a game of this nature and you have to try and explain to your 5 year old daughter what ‘c***’ means then you might change your tune. I hardly see you as an ultra Cambridge, so maybe avoid the lazy assertion that complaining about disgusting conduct is ‘crying’

At full games I expect it, but in the family area of CR you’d not put up with it either and I’ve seen many a correct complaint come from our fans towards poor conduct in certain areas of the ground. 

[Fen Canary 1,456]

3 hours ago, SwearyCanary said:

I wonder if the large proportion of young fans and their parents seeing it as an opportunity to watch a friendly without the usual crowd abuse were a factor in Kings Lynn complaining. Which I absolutely agree with. If you had a young child go to a game of this nature and you have to try and explain to your 5 year old daughter what ‘c***’ means then you might change your tune. I hardly see you as an ultra Cambridge, so maybe avoid the lazy assertion that complaining about disgusting conduct is ‘crying’

At full games I expect it, but in the family area of CR you’d not put up with it either and I’ve seen many a correct complaint come from our fans towards poor conduct in certain areas of the ground. 

If you don’t want your kids to hear bad language don’t take them to a football match. Kids ain’t daft, just tell them not to repeat what they hear when they get home the same as we all got told

[pete 371]

OP says friendly  3 weeks on Tuesday makes the game to be on 2nd July.   Looks too early for PSF maybe 9th most probably 16th.  First PSF at Stevenage advertised Watford at home on 13th July.  I can confirm as pass Lamex on daily basis.  Cannot see game on Pink Un.  Panic over just checked on Canaries.co.uk 9th it is.  See you all there 2 mins to get to Lamex.  Convenient yes but living in Stevenage not so much.

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10 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

If you don’t want your f*cking kids to hear bad language don’t take them to a football match FFS. Kids ain’t daft, just tell them not to repeat what they hear when they get home the same as we all got f*cking told

I've corrected it for you...

[GenerationA47 864]

14 hours ago, SwearyCanary said:

If you had a young child go to a game of this nature and you have to try and explain to your 5 year old daughter what ‘c***’ means then you might change your tune.

 I’d suggest it’s a keener challenge to explain to your 5 year old son 

[Branston Pickle 4,150]

On 15/06/2024 at 19:39, SwearyCanary said:

I wonder if the large proportion of young fans and their parents seeing it as an opportunity to watch a friendly without the usual crowd abuse were a factor in Kings Lynn complaining. Which I absolutely agree with. If you had a young child go to a game of this nature and you have to try and explain to your 5 year old daughter what ‘c***’ means then you might change your tune.

You could hear that word in many places these days. If you’ve got any sense you just say it is nasty word that only adults use, not to be repeated; that’s plenty enough for a 5 year-old. Tbh if you have a 5 year-old and don’t know how to deal with such things then god help you with everything else.  

[SwearyCanary 1,340]

On 16/06/2024 at 22:46, Branston Pickle said:

You could hear that word in many places these days. If you’ve got any sense you just say it is nasty word that only adults use, not to be repeated; that’s plenty enough for a 5 year-old. Tbh if you have a 5 year-old and don’t know how to deal with such things then god help you with everything else.  

What a twátty response. 

[SwearyCanary 1,340]

On 15/06/2024 at 23:24, Fen Canary said:

If you don’t want your kids to hear bad language don’t take them to a football match. Kids ain’t daft, just tell them not to repeat what they hear when they get home the same as we all got told

It’s a friendly warm up game. Not a cup final. Why are fans shouting abusive language when it means nothing? Small willies brigade over compensating I suspect 

[Branston Pickle 4,150]

6 minutes ago, SwearyCanary said:

What a twátty response. 

Coo, it only took two days for yours, good quick thinking and a stupid response to a perfectly reasonable one.  Why bother? 

Edited June 18 by Branston Pickle

[SwearyCanary 1,340]

3 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said:

Coo, it only took two days for yours, good quick thinking and a stupid response to a perfectly reasonable one.  Why bother? 

I’m not married to the forum, I don’t log on daily. Why dig at my ability to manage children as a father? A bit like when you had a dig at someone’s mental health. You love to try and belittle. It’s what brings you joy 

And dealing with such things is my actual job. I don’t happen to agree that abuse at a pre season friendly is ever necessary and it should be a safer environment to allow young kids to enjoy football without the small mindedness and totally unnecessary ‘passion’ of a man unhappy with their life. 

Clearly your standards of what disproportionate anger is ok for a 5 year old to be exposed to and mine are different. I’m happy with my approach.

Edited June 18 by SwearyCanary

[Branston Pickle 4,150]

25 minutes ago, SwearyCanary said:

I’m not married to the forum, I don’t log on daily. Why dig at my ability to manage children as a father? A bit like when you had a dig at someone’s mental health. You love to try and belittle. It’s what brings you joy 

And dealing with such things is my actual job. I don’t happen to agree that abuse at a pre season friendly is ever necessary and it should be a safer environment to allow young kids to enjoy football without the small mindedness and totally unnecessary ‘passion’ of a man unhappy with their life. 

Clearly your standards of what disproportionate anger is ok for a 5 year old to be exposed to and mine are different. I’m happy with my approach.

Wow. What a totally over the top response.  No one was having a dig at anyone.  My comment was talking generally and thought yours did too - I’m not psyichic and have no idea whether you have children. not that it matters.

My opinion remains the same that (sadly) ugly language can be encountered all over these days. But I never remotely suggested that abuse at a pre season friendly (or anywhere come to that) was “ok” - you appear to have attributed someone else’s comment as mine.

As for the other, it was nothing more than a misinderstanding and several years ago. I apologised for it at the time. But you miss no opportunity to dig at it like some sneaky little grass.  I’ve posted here over 20 years and am not measured by one misunderstood post. Feel free to ignore me, you’ll clearly be happier.

Edited June 18 by Branston Pickle

[SwearyCanary 1,340]

4 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said:

Wow. What a totally over the top response.  No one was having a dig at anyone.  I’m not psyichic and have no idea whether you have children.  And frankly, I don’t really care - my opinion remains the same - ugly language can be encountered all over these days. 

As for the other, perhaps you should grow up - it was nothing more than a misinderstanding and several years ago, applogised for at the time. But you miss no opportunity to raise it like some sneaky little grass.  I’ve posted here over 20 years and am not measured by one misunderstood post.

Feel free to ignore my posts, you’ll clearly be happier.

‘I you had any sense’ and ‘TBH if you have a 5 year old and don’t know how to deal with such things then god help you’ 

pretty sure that’s verbatim. But 20 years of being a bully makes it pretty ingrained so I guess for you it goes unnoticed. Ditto about my posts btw. It was you who commented on mine, so perhaps if you disagree and can’t comment without sniping then no comment is necessary. 

At my school, when a pupil calls a teacher any derogatory term they’re suspended. If they use derogatory language not aimed at anyone for a completely unnecessary situation they have a consequence. It’s how it should be. If it’s normalised to them that whenever they watch Norwich play Kings Lynn for them to hear abuse directed at players then as the OP alluded to a complaint, this complaint was totally justified. 

If you normalise it when there are no stakes, nothing to suggest it’s anything other than inappropriate, then you are inviting into schools, hospitals, shops, pubs, and even homes. My daughter will know that it’s not OK in most circumstances and in times when there are potentially passions running that it is at least forgivable. She’ll know it’s not normal behaviour. 

[Branston Pickle 4,150]

4 minutes ago, SwearyCanary said:

‘I you had any sense’ and ‘TBH if you have a 5 year old and don’t know how to deal with such things then god help you’ 

pretty sure that’s verbatim. But 20 years of being a bully makes it pretty ingrained so I guess for you it goes unnoticed. Ditto about my posts btw. It was you who commented on mine, so perhaps if you disagree and can’t comment without sniping then no comment is necessary. 

At my school, when a pupil calls a teacher any derogatory term they’re suspended. If they use derogatory language not aimed at anyone for a completely unnecessary situation they have a consequence. It’s how it should be. If it’s normalised to them that whenever they watch Norwich play Kings Lynn for them to hear abuse directed at players then as the OP alluded to a complaint, this complaint was totally justified. 

If you normalise it when there are no stakes, nothing to suggest it’s anything other than inappropriate, then you are inviting into schools, hospitals, shops, pubs, and even homes. My daughter will know that it’s not OK in most circumstances and in times when there are potentially passions running that it is at least forgivable. She’ll know it’s not normal behaviour. 

Well there you go - that does rather take my comments somewhat out of context.  I wonder whether your (imo unfair) opinion of me clouded how you read what I was meaning.  It definitely wasn’t intended as a ‘dig’.

My point was not to make a huge deal out of it, as it makes it too ‘memorable’ a thing and the focus should be on other things. There are far bigger issues as a parent than overhearing a bit of swearing.

Sad thing is that you seem to have attributed things to me that I never said or suggested - I largely agree with your final paragraph but could do without the suggestion that it’s beyond me.

[Fen Canary 1,456]

4 hours ago, SwearyCanary said:

It’s a friendly warm up game. Not a cup final. Why are fans shouting abusive language when it means nothing? Small willies brigade over compensating I suspect 

It’s a football match. The tribalism, goading and singing is as important as what is happening on the pitch for most fans, it’s what keeps us all coming back 

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13 hours ago, SwearyCanary said:

At my school, when a pupil calls a teacher any derogatory term they’re suspended.

That's how one half live, sure.  The reality for many others is nothing like that, even round here there's village/small town schools that have trouble makers abusing, bullying staff and pupils and not being dealt with as the school faces fines if they were to expel, and marked down if attendance targets aren't met which risk closure.  That's not to mention parents coming in to school waving the ADHD card as an excuse.

Furthermore, I know first hand from what my kids have told me that others are watching pr0n on the school bus on the way in as we had to have a really awkward conversation explaining what it is and why people would do it.  This was after weeks of trying to avoid the subject and asking the school to speak to the bus company or warn pupils.

I don't like it, and would wrap them in cotton wool if I could, but there comes a time where you have to be realistic and appreciate that the adult world finds them far sooner than most of us realise, let alone can control.  Swearing at football is the least of my concerns versus what happens in and around school, in all honesty.

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8 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

It’s a football match. The tribalism, goading and singing is as important as what is happening on the pitch for most fans, it’s what keeps us all coming back 

I've never really got that, to be honest. It's a slippery slope that in some cases leads to violence, which is ridiculous. 

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14 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

It’s a football match. The tribalism, goading and singing is as important as what is happening on the pitch for most fans, it’s what keeps us all coming back 

It’s not what keeps me coming back

Can’t  really see the need for all the swearing at football match’s and everyday society 

Never heard it at games in the 5O’s 60’s

Seems to be a lack of intelligence in the UK today that every other word has to be F or C

Sweary is right 

 

[Google Bot 3,934]

11 minutes ago, daly said:

Seems to be a lack of intelligence in the UK today that every other word has to be F or C

Aren't you one of the few here to be warned for inappropriate language, and when given you then posted about how much you don't give a 'S' and someone should 'F' themselves? 🤣

Perhaps yourself, 'Sweary' Canary & Terminally Yellow could become the morality officers for the forum? 🙂

(And yes, i'm just on the wind up, don't bite!)

[SwearyCanary 1,340]

11 hours ago, Google Bot said:

That's how one half live, sure.  The reality for many others is nothing like that, even round here there's village/small town schools that have trouble makers abusing, bullying staff and pupils and not being dealt with as the school faces fines if they were to expel, and marked down if attendance targets aren't met which risk closure.  That's not to mention parents coming in to school waving the ADHD card as an excuse.

Furthermore, I know first hand from what my kids have told me that others are watching pr0n on the school bus on the way in as we had to have a really awkward conversation explaining what it is and why people would do it.  This was after weeks of trying to avoid the subject and asking the school to speak to the bus company or warn pupils.

I don't like it, and would wrap them in cotton wool if I could, but there comes a time where you have to be realistic and appreciate that the adult world finds them far sooner than most of us realise, let alone can control.  Swearing at football is the least of my concerns versus what happens in and around school, in all honesty.

I teach in a deprived Norfolk school. I can’t account for other schools not taking action but I can tell you that if the schools behaviour policy is written well and the leadership team don’t decide to crumble or now to parents then it wouldn’t happen. Schools are not fined for following their behaviour policy, they can set their own policy and as long as it’s published and visible parents don’t have a leg to stand on. Attendance targets aren’t affected by suspensions to that extent. As I say, if the schools aren’t sorting it then it’s a school run badly. 

Schools teach about pornography, inappropriate content, illegal activity on phones, and we have assemblies led by police to all year groups. If it’s happening on the bus, report these pupils to the police. They’ll get a visit, probably at school and their phone may be seized - it’s happened at my school. The word spread and it dampened the issue. Parents not monitoring their children cause the biggest issues, they lazily assume that ‘kids will be kids’ and it covers a multitude of neglect of responsibility. It’s easy to blame the schools for not filling the gaps of poor parenting, but it’s worth remembering schools are filled with experts in an academic subject who are asked to be social workers, counsellors, doctors, all while being massively underfunded, overcrowded to make ends meet and then kicked around by league tables published so middle class parents can be informed of where to buy a house. 

The next trend is for multi academy trusts to recreate grammar schools. A rural Norfolk school are placing ‘plays an instrument’ high up their selection criteria due to the association with playing music and wealthy stable families and therefore streaming out the poorer families! Their partner school a dilapidated city school then get what’s left and become the comprehensive (while they sell off the city school’s land to developers). It’s a pretty broken system overall to be fair! That’s Tory Britain for you. Anyway, what was I saying 😂 

The buses are nothing to do with the school, they’re operated by the county council. All complaints have to go through them. The school can refer the complaints but they have to be evidenced and no school staff supervise bus travel at all: the only way to prevent this would be for parents to take individual action and stop their kids bringing phones to school. A huge majority of parents are weirdly against this. We have a no mobile phones policy and if we see them we take them. Parents complain, they’re told tough ****. They can bring them but it’s at their own risk if they get caught with them or they go off in a lesson. We even confiscate them if they contact home and the parents get annoyed (I actually had one complain because they thought it was ok for their kid to ask them what was for tea later 😂) For some weird reason parents think if their kid doesn’t have their phone they’re going to get abducted, like an abducter would not think of that 😂. 

Kids that cause problems in and around school are dealt with strongly. Not if it’s a nasty look or something we can’t hope to prove as we can’t, but if they’re unkind and it’s proved we take serious action. 

kids know when swearing is and isn’t forgivable/more likely. A friendly against Kings Lynn is not one if these occasions where it should be expected. That’s my opinion on it. It’s not cotton wool wrapping, it’s insisting on a better minimum standards from society. If we let abuse at a friendly go then it comes into other areas, and in a recent case at Lowestoft Town the abusers were a bunch of 50 14 year olds, their parents (Dads) were all there in full earshot of the homophobic and racist chants, saying nothing. Boys will be boys, homophobes will be homophobes, racists will be racist, my daughter will not be brought up a bystander to this. Sadly, she’ll just choose to avoid the scum bags and be prevented from potentially enjoying a beautiful sport and community event. It’s never acceptable to abuse, any one thinking otherwise because of tribalism need to wake up and realise it’s a game 

Edited June 19 by SwearyCanary
Remove school names in case their big MAT try and sue for defamation

[SwearyCanary 1,340]

19 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

It’s a football match. The tribalism, goading and singing is as important as what is happening on the pitch for most fans, it’s what keeps us all coming back 

Agree to disagree. If you’re abusing it can’t be dressed up as tribalism. I’ve got no issue with singing, I’ve got issues with what’s being sung. I go to enjoy the football and spend time with my mates, none of us come back because big Barry the racist gave a wànker sign to the away fans. You have to ask why does it make you so angry? If you think it motivates our team, then you’re wrong, if you think calling the referee a **** is going to make them make fairer decisions going forward, you’re wrong, if you think you couldn’t have the same experience just chanting normal songs then it’s weird. I’m not bothered by ‘who are ya?’ Or ‘cheerio cheerio cheerio’ they’re fine. But Kings Lynn complained about worse than that. Totally justified. 

[Fen Canary 1,456]

1 hour ago, SwearyCanary said:

Agree to disagree. If you’re abusing it can’t be dressed up as tribalism. I’ve got no issue with singing, I’ve got issues with what’s being sung. I go to enjoy the football and spend time with my mates, none of us come back because big Barry the racist gave a wànker sign to the away fans. You have to ask why does it make you so angry? If you think it motivates our team, then you’re wrong, if you think calling the referee a **** is going to make them make fairer decisions going forward, you’re wrong, if you think you couldn’t have the same experience just chanting normal songs then it’s weird. I’m not bothered by ‘who are ya?’ Or ‘cheerio cheerio cheerio’ they’re fine. But Kings Lynn complained about worse than that. Totally justified. 

Kings Lynn were the ones singing the original chant, the Norwich fans there simply sung it back to them. The fine and complaints were absolutely pathetic. If you don’t want to hear naughty words or the opposing fans winding each other up go and watch rugby with the rest of the bores