Italian fans letting us all down

[cambridgeshire canary 6,742]

I see the Milan match has been called off with players leaving the pitch after some awful racist abuse aimed at goalkeeper Mike Maignan. Awful to see, its like the 70s again. Wonder how the many black Udinese players feel hearing all the vile racism coming from their fans?

Edited January 20 by cambridgeshire canary

[Yobocop 1,099]

*Italian 

Come on Cambridge, that’s the second time this week pal 

agree with your sentiments though, it’s rife over there 

[Flying Dutchman 744]

I'm very confused as the Udinese V Milan match is currently in the 75th minute and still ongoing...

[cambridgeshire canary 6,742]

5 minutes ago, Flying Dutchman said:

I'm very confused as the Udinese V Milan match is currently in the 75th minute and still ongoing...

It was called off. Mike left the field and his team mates joined him. They decided to return and restart the match some minutes later after presumbly the fans doing the chanting had been booted out.

Edited January 20 by cambridgeshire canary

[daz 70]

Kasey palmer of Coventry had it at the end of the game today too from Wednesday fans

.. He even showed the action they were doing to him and threw a bottle at him too. 

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,822]

35 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

It was called off. Mike left the field and his team mates joined him. They decided to return and restart the match some minutes later after presumbly the fans doing the chanting had been booted out.

I watched the match live from start to finish and it was never called off.

The referee halted the game while he spoke to relevant personnel on the sidelines, as is standard UEFA protocol I believe, and during this pause, Maignan stormed down the tunnel. A few of his teammates followed and persuaded him to come back out.

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

Ban the "fans" for life.

[Well b back 3,221]

Why just Italians ? 
It happened today as well in the Sheffield Wednesday Coventry game to Casey Palmer. You may just remember as well what the Coventry supporters did to the Leicester supporters, just a week ago ?

[Nexus_Canary 1,020]

It's fcuking disgusting and has no place in society. The fact it's "tolerated" almost just goes to show how far standards have slipped.

No time for racists, homophobes etc.

One love. 

 

 

 

 

 

(Obviously with the exception of Ipswich fans, fcuk them all bloody sub human refuse)

[duke63 542]

Racism and blaming immigrants for any Nation’s problems is a sign of a failing political system. 

[Newtopia 517]

It is awful, I hope they can identify individuals and charge them.

[Midlands Yellow 3,995]

1 hour ago, Well b back said:

Why just Italians ? 
It happened today as well in the Sheffield Wednesday Coventry game to Casey Palmer. You may just remember as well what the Coventry supporters did to the Leicester supporters, just a week ago ?

And Leicester fans gave it the big one about Hitler flattening Coventry all those decades ago. SOME Coventry fans, Leicester fans and Wednesday fans all need to have a word with themselves. 

Edited January 20 by Midlands Yellow

[Well b back 3,221]

45 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

And Leicester fans gave it the big one about Hitler flattening Coventry all those decades ago. SOME Coventry fans, Leicester fans and Wednesday fans all need to have a word with themselves. 

Indeed I was meaning it’s bad here, not sure why the op is saying it’s just Italy letting football down.

[Well b back 3,221]

2 hours ago, Newtopia said:

It is awful, I hope they can identify individuals and charge them.

I believe the 2 Wednesday supporters were arrested.

Regards Coventry I know living in the West Mids there is a huge investigation going on, and I know they are chasing people that shared the images, so Cambridge will need to worry every time there is a knock on his door.

[Well b back 3,221]

Wow, just saw it on the football league show, more than 2 of them, and back to the 70’s.

[Newtopia 517]

2 hours ago, Well b back said:

Wow, just saw it on the football league show, more than 2 of them, and back to the 70’s.

How about deducting 20 points from those clubs involved, that will hurt the fans, and make it clear It is more serious than financial fair play.  In terms of it punishing fans who weren’t involved, allow the punishment to be suspended if a club’s fans report more of their own fans for racist behaviour than those quantifiably involved in racist incidents. 

Edited January 21 by Newtopia

[canarybubbles 1,923]

This is more than just football. Fascism is rapidly re-emerging in Europe, especially in Italy and parts of Germany. And this time the US will be on the side of the Fascists if Trump gets re-elected.

Six million people are estimated to have died at the hands of the Nazis and less than a hundred years later, the desire for a 'strong man' who will solve all our problems by targeting blacks/Jews/homosexuals/Mexicans/Muslims/take your pick is back. Human beings pride ourselves on our intelligence, but in reality we are deeply, fundamentally, nastily stupid. 

[Fen Canary 834]

2 hours ago, canarybubbles said:

This is more than just football. Fascism is rapidly re-emerging in Europe, especially in Italy and parts of Germany. And this time the US will be on the side of the Fascists if Trump gets re-elected.

Six million people are estimated to have died at the hands of the Nazis and less than a hundred years later, the desire for a 'strong man' who will solve all our problems by targeting blacks/Jews/homosexuals/Mexicans/Muslims/take your pick is back. Human beings pride ourselves on our intelligence, but in reality we are deeply, fundamentally, nastily stupid. 

And yet this fascism could be stopped tomorrow if various governments would only listen to the electorate and implement proper immigration policies. You can’t spend decades ignoring the opinions of voters then complain when they look elsewhere.

Anybody caught racially abusing players should be banned, although Italy has much bigger problems on that front 

Edited January 21 by Fen Canary

[Ken Hairy 3,773]

11 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

It was called off. Mike left the field and his team mates joined him. They decided to return and restart the match some minutes later after presumbly the fans doing the chanting had been booted out.

So, not called off then, just delayed? 🤷‍♂️

[Herman 9,780]

42 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

And yet this fascism could be stopped tomorrow if various governments would only listen to the electorate and implement proper immigration policies. You can’t spend decades ignoring the opinions of voters then complain when they look elsewhere.

Anybody caught racially abusing players should be banned, although Italy has much bigger problems on that front 

You haven't been ignored. You've been pandered to for years and have got right wing governments in power all over the world, got ****e like brexit, trump, Millei, Orban, those twats in Poland and Italy. France and Germany are lining up a bunch fascists for potential power. 

And what has changed, nothing. You're still whining about immigration. Maybe spend more energy coming up with solutions to our aging populations, wars, taxation, failing countries, climate change etc etc. It's only going to get bigger unless you look at the root causes of the world's problems. 

Edited January 21 by Herman

[dylanisabaddog 4,933]

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/11/1218635775/poland-elects-new-prime-minister-ending-right-wing-partys-rule

@HermanPoland has seen sense. Hopefully we'll follow their lead. 

Edited January 21 by dylanisabaddog

[canarybubbles 1,923]

46 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

And yet this fascism could be stopped tomorrow if various governments would only listen to the electorate and implement proper immigration policies. You can’t spend decades ignoring the opinions of voters then complain when they look elsewhere.

Anybody caught racially abusing players should be banned, although Italy has much bigger problems on that front 

First, it wouldn't stop. Most of the people who died in Germany were German-born. Some people love to hate and if it's not immigrants they target, it will be transexuals or gays or blacks or 'communists' - it's as simple as that. And governments should not be pandering to all that is gross in human nature.

Second, if people want to drastically reduce immigration, then at least they should stop the hypocrisy of wanting immigrants to provide cheap labour in order to prop up their economy and look after the old people that they can't be bothered to provide for.

[Fen Canary 834]

4 minutes ago, Herman said:

You haven't been ignored. You've been pandered to for years and have got right wing governments in power all over the world, got ****e like brexit, trump, Millei, Orban, those twats in Poland and Italy. France and Germany are lining up a bunch fascists for potential power. 

And what has changed, nothing. You're still whining about immigration. Maybe spend more energy coming up with solutions to our aging populations, wars, taxation, failing countries, climate change etc etc. It's only going to get bigger unless you look at the root causes of the world's problems. 

And in which of those countries you mentioned has a sensible immigration policy been enacted? Britain voted to leave the EU with immigration being a major factor and what happened? Immigration hit record highs. If Italy had managed to stop the vast numbers of illegal immigrants crossing the Med do you think Meloni’s party would have got a look in? Do you think Le Pen would be anywhere near power if Frances major parties had any control over who was entering the country? Likewise with Trump and Americas border with Mexico?

Why is it fascist to want the government to control who enters a nation? I’ve never truly understood the link to those particular regimes and a nations border controls 100 years later personally.

[Fen Canary 834]

4 minutes ago, canarybubbles said:

First, it wouldn't stop. Most of the people who died in Germany were German-born. Some people love to hate and if it's not immigrants they target, it will be transexuals or gays or blacks or 'communists' - it's as simple as that. And governments should not be pandering to all that is gross in human nature.

Second, if people want to drastically reduce immigration, then at least they should stop the hypocrisy of wanting immigrants to provide cheap labour in order to prop up their economy and look after the old people that they can't be bothered to provide for.

Funnily enough most of those who voted to leave the EU did so precisely because they wanted to stop the influx of cheap labour from abroad that was undercutting wages and putting pressure on public services. If you’d had listened to their arguments at the time rather than dismissing them as backward thinking bigots you’d have understood that.

The people your first paragraph describes are a vanishingly small percentage of any population, and not enough to explain the recent popularity of Wilders, AfD, and Le Pen etc. It’s a combination of being ignored for decades and their arguments dismissed as not being worthy of debate that has meant large numbers have now looked elsewhere.

If your favoured party is losing power it’s not because the electorate has voted the wrong way, it’s because the party has put forward poor policies

[Herman 9,780]

39 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/11/1218635775/poland-elects-new-prime-minister-ending-right-wing-partys-rule

@HermanPoland has seen sense. Hopefully we'll follow their lead. 

Similar to what will happen over here* the incoming government will have to spend the first few years fixing the mess the populists have left behind. 

 

* I think we all hope that people see sense. 

[Midlands Yellow 3,995]

Lots of Wednesday fans blaming Palmer for this!! 

[Paul101 93]

12 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

I see the Milan match has been called off with players leaving the pitch after some awful racist abuse aimed at goalkeeper Mike Maignan. Awful to see, its like the 70s again. Wonder how the many black Udinese players feel hearing all the vile racism coming from their fans?

not letting us down

 

its got **** all to do with us they have always had vile agressive thug like fans 

[Well b back 3,221]

57 minutes ago, Fen Canary said:

Funnily enough most of those who voted to leave the EU did so precisely because they wanted to stop the influx of cheap labour from abroad that was undercutting wages and putting pressure on public services. If you’d had listened to their arguments at the time rather than dismissing them as backward thinking bigots you’d have understood that.

The people your first paragraph describes are a vanishingly small percentage of any population, and not enough to explain the recent popularity of Wilders, AfD, and Le Pen etc. It’s a combination of being ignored for decades and their arguments dismissed as not being worthy of debate that has meant large numbers have now looked elsewhere.

If your favoured party is losing power it’s not because the electorate has voted the wrong way, it’s because the party has put forward poor policies

Funnily enough, lots of EU citizens went home and left the NHS and care sector in a total mess. Funnily again the British didn’t want the jobs of looking after the elderly and clearing up after them on a minimum wage. So funnily enough we had to turn to Asia, the Africa’s and the Americas to fill the vacancies. To subsidise this and pay for the British workers, funnily enough the £350 million a week promised was just made up.

What would you suggest ? Cancel all migration and completely destroy the NHS and care sector.

[TheBaldOne66 690]

13 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

I see the Milan match has been called off with players leaving the pitch after some awful racist abuse aimed at goalkeeper Mike Maignan. Awful to see, its like the 70s again. Wonder how the many black Udinese players feel hearing all the vile racism coming from their fans?

So you think the Wednesday fans didn’t let us down then? They were just as bad ffs!

[mrD66M 99]

2 hours ago, Herman said:

You haven't been ignored. You've been pandered to for years and have got right wing governments in power all over the world, got ****e like brexit, trump, Millei, Orban, those twats in Poland and Italy. France and Germany are lining up a bunch fascists for potential power. 

And what has changed, nothing. You're still whining about immigration. Maybe spend more energy coming up with solutions to our aging populations, wars, taxation, failing countries, climate change etc etc. It's only going to get bigger unless you look at the root causes of the world's problems. 

There is a lot to be said in this perennial discussion. 

 

1st things 1st - stop looking for simple solutions. THERE IS NO SIMPLE SOLUTION to immigration. write it down. There never was, and there never will be. You written it down yet?

2nd - There is a massive confluence of factors which got us to this point. Globalist economics (more growth, more consumption, ad infinitum). Ageing populations in Europe, booming demographics in Africa / Asia, climate change, wars, the anti-colonial/anti-western feeling in countries like India, Brazil etc, and a "longing for the great Empire days" in others (UK, US, Moskovia)

3rd - one thing that crops up time and time again, especially when talking with older people, is the pace of social change, it's next to humanly impossible to adapt or keep up (even for those of us that are more receptive to the idea of change, all depending on how it's implemented - gradual change IMO is much better than radical change)

4th - this needs repeating - the profound, sheer hypocrisy of nations who used to be great colonial powers, who pillaged, raped and enslaved half the world for centuries, and continuously instigate wars in those parts of the world with a view to scavenge and profit off the remains.. what gall, to then say "we don't want migrants here" when your nation brought them there as slaves in the 1st place.

 

Probably much more could be said but these are my main points.