Anyone Caught Knapping?

[Big Vince 318]

The more we read about the appointment of Ben Knapper and the way he thinks, the more we realise that the Attanasio era is going to be no different to the Socialists' era.

The self-funding model is going to continue through developing and selling players. Norwich City will continue to be a production line factory that benefits both other clubs higher up the food chain and the owners of Norwich City. Attanasio is playing a blinder here. Getting the club on the cheap at 2002 prices then selling big when the time is right.

Where does this leave the fans? Firmly on the margins is the answer. We already know that the self-funding model stands no chance of succeeding in the EPL and the club habitually shuns the cup competitions so fans will have to swallow the undeniable realisation that the Championship is as good as it gets.

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,024]

Has it ever been any different Vince?. Even your favourite Big Bad Bob let Chris Sutton go despite saying it would not happen, there is even a photo to prove how unhappy the boy Chris was at the time.........

[Top corner 228]

2 hours ago, Big Vince said:

The more we read about the appointment of Ben Knapper and the way he thinks, the more we realise that the Attanasio era is going to be no different to the Socialists' era.

The self-funding model is going to continue through developing and selling players. Norwich City will continue to be a production line factory that benefits both other clubs higher up the food chain and the owners of Norwich City. Attanasio is playing a blinder here. Getting the club on the cheap at 2002 prices then selling big when the time is right.

Where does this leave the fans? Firmly on the margins is the answer. We already know that the self-funding model stands no chance of succeeding in the EPL and the club habitually shuns the cup competitions so fans will have to swallow the undeniable realisation that the Championship is as good as it gets.

There are very few clubs around the world which aren't selling clubs....I'm also not saying that you are wrong with regards to the new owners being just like Delia & Michael, but wouldn't it be better to wait & see what they'll be like as outright owners, rather than judge them before they've even got their feet under the table. 

Edited October 11, 2023 by Top corner

[Big Vince 318]

10 minutes ago, Top corner said:

There are very few clubs around the world which aren't selling clubs....I'm also not saying that you are wrong with regards to the new owners being just like Delia & Michael, but wouldn't it be better to wait & see what they'll be like as outright owners, rather than judge them before them even got their feet under the table. 

The point I am making is that Norwich City is an aggressive selling club. There are selling clubs, then there is Norwich City. The academy and all the investment that goes into it is designed purely to production line players to sell. Chase never had anything remotely so systematic. The same can be said for the South American recruitment operation.

Edited October 11, 2023 by Big Vince

[A Load of Squit 5,170]

Just now, Big Vince said:

The point I am making is that Norwich City is an aggressive selling club. There are selling clubs, then there is Norwich City. The academy and all the investment that goes into it is designed purely to production line players to sell. Chase never had anything remotely so systematic.

His system was to sell players to pay back the short term loans he took from the banks.

[Midlands Yellow 3,995]

1 minute ago, Big Vince said:

The point I am making is that Norwich City is an aggressive selling club. There are selling clubs, then there is Norwich City. The academy and all the investment that goes into it is designed purely to production line players to sell. Chase never had anything remotely so systematic.

Chase also had to balance the books with no Sky money and attendances of under 15,000 most weeks. 

[Hairy Canary 704]

It’s hardly surprising that Delia & Michael are looking to pass the club on to someone with a similar outlook to themselves is it?

 

[Old Shuck 183]

Yes Vince. Right from the start it was shown that Attanasio wasn't the proverbial 'big spender' where the Brewers were concerned & that his approach to growing the club and business was about much more than that.

No surprises there.

I think his son will ultimately play a bigger and bigger role with us on a day to day basis and probably get the place on the board that he is 'owed' as a result of his investment.

As for Knapper-I've read the posts and opinions of those who claim we bottled it by not headhunting someone who was already a DOF or similar, however, I suspect their disappointment surrounds the fact that they thought, somehow, we'd display some 'ambishun' by appointing Ferran Soriano, Michael Edwards or Julian Ward.

Knapper was once thought of as a possible replacement for Edu at Arsenal. If that still remains the case in 2-3 years time, then he will have done a very good job here.

[GenerationA47 754]

39 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Chase also had to balance the books with no Sky money and attendances of under 15,000 most weeks. 

And also a minuscule wage budget vs now…

[NFN FC 1,123]

Waaaa why aren't we Real Madrid!?

[essex canary 496]

11 minutes ago, GenerationA47 said:

And also a minuscule wage budget vs now…

You can say that again. The next set of Accounts will probably show a similar spend for finishing halfway in the Championship as Brentford spent for halfway up the Premier League the season before. Over 8 times the £8 million in 2002 compared to apparently the same share price as that year and that offered to the elite only.

The Orwellians turned Johnsonians in action.

Edited October 11, 2023 by essex canary

[Norfolk Mustard 94]

The Championship teams currently in positions 2 & 3 haven't spent £ zillions - surely our first objective should be to compete with them?

[A Load of Squit 5,170]

47 minutes ago, essex canary said:

You can say that again. The next set of Accounts will probably show a similar spend for finishing halfway in the Championship as Brentford spent for halfway up the Premier League the season before. Over 8 times the £8 million in 2002 compared to apparently the same share price as that year and that offered to the elite only.

The Orwellians turned Johnsonians in action.

I'm still not sure what it is that you dislike about the football club.

[Ulfotto 637]

Chase lied about selling players. I actually quite like the fact Webber was open and honest about what to expect. Sets expectations. 

[Ulfotto 637]

43 minutes ago, Norfolk Mustard said:

The Championship teams currently in positions 2 & 3 haven't spent £ zillions - surely our first objective should be to compete with them?

We are 3 points behind Preston with a superior goal difference how is this not competitive?

[Nexus_Canary 1,020]

Hang on.... But if you listen to some people around here getting rid of Delia means we will win the champions league...

Im confused I thought new owners meant we would be unstoppable.

 

[stratton canary 134]

16 minutes ago, Nexus_Canary said:

Hang on.... But if you listen to some people around here getting rid of Delia means we will win the champions league...

Im confused I thought new owners meant we would be unstoppable.

 

Not for 3 years! 

[PurpleCanary 5,562]

2 hours ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Chase also had to balance the books with no Sky money and attendances of under 15,000 most weeks. 

Except he didn't balance the books, and has to take the blame for such low attendances when we were finishing third in the Premier League.

[Ulfotto 637]

18 minutes ago, Nexus_Canary said:

Hang on.... But if you listen to some people around here getting rid of Delia means we will win the champions league...

Im confused I thought new owners meant we would be unstoppable.

 

This will be a big issue when the Americans do takeover. Given their wealth there will always be calls for more money to be throw at it. I personally think we might see parachute payments type budget be run even if we don’t have the actual parachute payments. This would enable us to be competitive in the upper end of the championship . Then the  ability to have a go if we get promoted.

[Commonsense 626]

2 hours ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Chase also had to balance the books with no Sky money and attendances of under 15,000 most weeks. 

Nobody else had any Sky money either and, despite what some on here claim about the current state of English football, attendances were appalling.  On the other hand wages were far lower.

[Nexus_Canary 1,020]

31 minutes ago, stratton canary said:

Not for 3 years! 

Phew that's ok then

[GenerationA47 754]

2 hours ago, essex canary said:

You can say that again. The next set of Accounts will probably show a similar spend for finishing halfway in the Championship as Brentford spent for halfway up the Premier League the season before. Over 8 times the £8 million in 2002 compared to apparently the same share price as that year and that offered to the elite only.

The Orwellians turned Johnsonians in action.

It’s common to all clubs, the scale of wages in 1996 vs 2023 and is roughly proportional to clubs’ massively increased income

[Norfolk Mustard 94]

1 hour ago, Ulfotto said:

We are 3 points behind Preston with a superior goal difference how is this not competitive?

I doubt many NCFC fans would expect PNE or Ipswich to be ahead of us. However, you make a fair point if that's the level we're aiming for...

[Midlands Yellow 3,995]

1 hour ago, Commonsense said:

Nobody else had any Sky money either and, despite what some on here claim about the current state of English football, attendances were appalling.  On the other hand wages were far lower.

That’s true, attendances were appalling early 80s into the 90s nationwide. I’ll blame Thatcher and violence for a lot of that. 

[norfolkngood 1,087]

i am Sure Knapper will have plenty of Stats on youngsters from clubs around the country ,

 

 

Edited October 11, 2023 by norfolkngood

[essex canary 496]

1 hour ago, PurpleCanary said:

Except he didn't balance the books, and has to take the blame for such low attendances when we were finishing third in the Premier League.

Have our attendances increased by a bigger percentage than other Clubs since then?

Probably actual attendances were declared in those days rather than today's fake inflated ones.

[essex canary 496]

1 hour ago, GenerationA47 said:

It’s common to all clubs, the scale of wages in 1996 vs 2023 and is roughly proportional to clubs’ massively increased income

Not entirely so as my Brentford and Burnley comparisons exemplify. Some Clubs are more modest about expanding their wage bill so quickly based on Premier League receipts which they can't guarantee going forwards which explains the difficulty we have created for ourselves.

[essex canary 496]

2 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

I'm still not sure what it is that you dislike about the football club.

So called socialists who are actually Johnsonians pandering to the old boys networks and poor value for money Club staff rather than genuinely supporting the fans.

[NewNestCarrow 193]

3 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

I'm still not sure what it is that you like about the football club.

Fixed it

[Big Vince 318]

5 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

His system was to sell players to pay back the short term loans he took from the banks.

Don't be daft. That only happened right at the end of his tenure and wasn't commonplace for the other 9 years.