Rashica

[TheBaldOne66 768]

I’m currently sat in Istanbul airport on my way home to beautiful Norfolk.

I just got talking to a pro player from Gazientep here in Turkey, Abdulkakar Cerim. 
 

We got talking about Rashica, as this guy knows him well as they also both played in Germany. 
 

He told me Rashica is desperate to join Galatasaray and won’t play for us again. He’s prepared to do whatever it takes to make the move happen as soon as possible as their season starts in 10 days. 

[YellowSubmarine 43]

Water is wet

[Capt. Pants 5,005]

Well yeah I'm sure he is. Trouble is Galatasary don't seem equally as keen.

Rashica can always buy himself out of his contract if he doesn't want to play for us.

[lake district canary 4,823]

We should give him away. Just a drain on resources. 

[LaUnionCanary 149]

Not the most sensible suggestion I have heard. Give = zero £ income, when they have offered a fee, which we find too small admittedly.

[Capt. Pants 5,005]

4 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

We should give him away. Just a drain on resources. 

No, the club has to take a hard line. We sell him if the price is right.

It isn't a drain on resources as we're paying him what we can afford.

 

 

[jaberry2 769]

I dont care how unhappy Rashica is, if he wants out Gala need to match our price. If he is sitting their having a cryfest he can train with the under 6's.

[SwearyCanary 1,340]

46 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Well yeah I'm sure he is. Trouble is Galatasary don't seem equally as keen.

Rashica can always buy himself out of his contract if he doesn't want to play for us.

This. He will have enough in the bank that he can make up the shortfall personally if he wants to I expect. I’d direct his feelings towards his agent who hasn’t given him the realistic impression of our club of a yo-yo side lacking in long term security at the top level. If he is that good Gala will cough up 

[KiwiScot 1,684]

One of the Premier league players who made it clear on the pitch they would not play. Happy to let him rot on garden leave.

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

44 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

We should give him away. Just a drain on resources. 

Come on, Lakey, you know that's absolute bobbins.

[lake district canary 4,823]

1 minute ago, Feedthewolf said:

Come on, Lakey, you know that's absolute bobbins.

Yeah, maybe, but my sentiment is that we should cut our losses. Each week he remains, he is costing us what....£30k?  Over just the last two months of speculation, that's around a quarter of a million pounds. If they want him that badly they would have upped their offer by now - and they have made an offer - so let him go. If they are playing hardball and we are playing hardball, then the likely outcome is that neither club will give in and he will stay, giving us prolonged drain on our resources in wages which he is not earning.

[GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 2,035]

I suspect , as with last season, the Turkish transfer window is still open after ours shuts, so they know they have us over a barrel if we want the money to reinvest in this window

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,220]

1 hour ago, TheBaldOne66 said:

I’m currently sat in Istanbul airport on my way home to beautiful Norfolk.

I just got talking to a pro player from Gazientep here in Turkey, Abdulkakar Cerim. 
 

We got talking about Rashica, as this guy knows him well as they also both played in Germany. 
 

He told me Rashica is desperate to join Galatasaray and won’t play for us again. He’s prepared to do whatever it takes to make the move happen as soon as possible as their season starts in 10 days. 

I misread it as "just got stalking"...............

[Badger 2,745]

30 minutes ago, jaberry2 said:

I dont care how unhappy Rashica is, if he wants out Gala need to match our price. If he is sitting their having a cryfest he can train with the under 6's.

I know that you are joking (exaggerating for effect) here, but one for the lawyers here - could this, or something similar (U18s, U21s), constitute constructive dismissal?

[KiwiScot 1,684]

5 minutes ago, GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary said:

I suspect , as with last season, the Turkish transfer window is still open after ours shuts, so they know they have us over a barrel if we want the money to reinvest in this window

Hmmm yes for an extra 2 weeks. Well if we will sell do it at the end of that, but like I just said. Note their season has already begun. They are playing a 2nd leg of Champions league qualifying tonight, 2:2 on Agg against a team from Lithuania.

[jaberry2 769]

26 minutes ago, Badger said:

I know that you are joking (exaggerating for effect) here, but one for the lawyers here - could this, or something similar (U18s, U21s), constitute constructive dismissal?

Yes im exaggerating. My point being to determined by whether he is being disruptive or not. Im sure it wont get to that stage with some agreement thrashed out this week.

[Badger 2,745]

9 minutes ago, jaberry2 said:

Yes im exaggerating. My point being to determined by whether he is being disruptive or not. Im sure it wont get to that stage with some agreement thrashed out this week.

I suspect you are right, but I have often wondered if a player could sue for constructive dismissal if a club were too mean to him - i.e. training with the kids. I was hoping someone with better understanding of the law than I might have a more informed view.

[Google Bot 3,927]

Does he actually know this personally then, or did he play with him once in Germany and is presuming based, as us all, from the headlines written?

[rock bus 1,057]

47 minutes ago, Badger said:

I know that you are joking (exaggerating for effect) here, but one for the lawyers here - could this, or something similar (U18s, U21s), constitute constructive dismissal?

I doubt it, but also that isnt what we would want.

If he was dismissed he would no longer be an employee/in contract so he could leave for nothing.

I suspect this is all just gesturing by us and we will eventually accept an offer - as distasteful as it is to us fans Rashica has made it clear he wont play for us again and when you look at his performances at the start of last season he clearly doesnt have any issues in displaying this openly on the pitich.

He is a bad apple and I'd suggest we would be better off 'giving up' a couple of million just to get rid of him and have some funds to invest  in a couple of quality players sooner rather than later

[Badger 2,745]

34 minutes ago, rock bus said:

I doubt it, but also that isnt what we would want.

If he was dismissed he would no longer be an employee/in contract so he could leave for nothing.

I suspect this is all just gesturing by us and we will eventually accept an offer - as distasteful as it is to us fans Rashica has made it clear he wont play for us again and when you look at his performances at the start of last season he clearly doesnt have any issues in displaying this openly on the pitich.

He is a bad apple and I'd suggest we would be better off 'giving up' a couple of million just to get rid of him and have some funds to invest  in a couple of quality players sooner rather than later

Apart from the legal issue, I find the similarities/ differences with the Emi situation very interesting. Obviously, Emi was a much better player and someone that we were much more upset about losing, but despite the contract having time to run (I put that in especially for you KC 😃) the risks of forcing a player to meet his contractual obligations are self-evident if he really, really wants to go.

 

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[essex canary 622]

53 minutes ago, Badger said:

I suspect you are right, but I have often wondered if a player could sue for constructive dismissal if a club were too mean to him - i.e. training with the kids. I was hoping someone with better understanding of the law than I might have a more informed view.

Does constructive dismissal work both ways round? For instance maybe McNally's resignation to a 17 year old supporter could have been used as a reason to deny him a pay off?

[norfolkngood 1,174]

I Think this might be all down to how much we still owe on the Rashica deal ,

if we were paying in installments then i think we have to pay that deal as soon as we sell ,

so that might be the reason we want more upfront ?

[Badger 2,745]

1 minute ago, essex canary said:

Does constructive dismissal work both ways round? For instance maybe McNally's resignation to a 17 year old supporter could have been used as a reason to deny him a pay off?

I don't know tbh, but I rather suspect that it could have been used in a negotiation over the "departure package." It gave the club an excuse to act, but they can't really have believed it was an official resignation.

[essex canary 622]

1 minute ago, Badger said:

I don't know tbh, but I rather suspect that it could have been used in a negotiation over the "departure package." It gave the club an excuse to act, but they can't really have believed it was an official resignation.

They still paid him off rather a lot of supporters money. Would have been good to have argued that we pay him to be professional, he wasn't so whistle for it.

[Badger 2,745]

5 minutes ago, essex canary said:

They still paid him off rather a lot of supporters money. Would have been good to have argued that we pay him to be professional, he wasn't so whistle for it.

They quite possibly used this argument as well - in the end it's a debate between lawyers with both sides threatening to go to court but neither wanting to.

[essex canary 622]

1 minute ago, Badger said:

They quite possibly used this argument as well - in the end it's a debate between lawyers with both sides threatening to go to court but neither wanting to.

Indeed. Just that as supporters and shareholders none of this is transparent to us. 

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

2 hours ago, lake district canary said:

Yeah, maybe, but my sentiment is that we should cut our losses. Each week he remains, he is costing us what....£30k?  Over just the last two months of speculation, that's around a quarter of a million pounds. If they want him that badly they would have upped their offer by now - and they have made an offer - so let him go. If they are playing hardball and we are playing hardball, then the likely outcome is that neither club will give in and he will stay, giving us prolonged drain on our resources in wages which he is not earning.

They've already made us an offer, even though it's a lot lower than our valuation of the player. So why on earth would you even countenance letting him go for free? Selling him on the cheap might be an acceptable outcome in the circumstances, but releasing him on a free is utter insanity.

Surely you know how the transfer game works better than that? If we desperately don't want him here, and he desperately doesn't want to be here, we'll cut a deal. It's just brinksmanship until that point, it happens all the time.

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[chicken 3,081]

11 minutes ago, essex canary said:

They still paid him off rather a lot of supporters money. Would have been good to have argued that we pay him to be professional, he wasn't so whistle for it.

It isn't 'supporters' money though. It's the clubs money brought in by revenue. That revue includes streams that may not involve 'supporters' of the club.

You very much misuse this word to try and politicise and spin your argument to make it sound like you care about other fans. Yet in the past, when vitriolic it is clear when you use 'supporters' you mean you.

When you buy something, that money ceases to be yours at point of purchase. What the business then does with that money is their choice. You can express that you don't like what they are doing or boycott them etc.

It isn't the 'supporters' money. You are clearly angling for a 'taxpayer' angle, but it isn't public sector, we don't get to vote on it and we can choose not to spend that money. It's heavily flawed and twisted spin.

[Badger 2,745]

6 minutes ago, essex canary said:

Indeed. Just that as supporters and shareholders none of this is transparent to us. 

It never is, there are almost certainly non disclosure agreements in place + employers are bound by their responsibility to employees. It is entirely the norm.

[Badger 2,745]

1 minute ago, Feedthewolf said:

They've already made us an offer, even though it's a lot lower than our valuation of the player. So why on earth would you even countenance letting him go for free? Selling him on the cheap might be an acceptable outcome in the circumstances, but releasing him on a free is utter insanity.

Surely you know how the transfer game works better than that? If we desperately don't want him here, and he desperately doesn't want to be here, we'll cut a deal. It's just brinksmanship until that point, it happens all the time.

There is a counter argument suggesting that we should not let him go at all on the grounds that he is better than Onel, Rowe and Sainz, which I suspect would be the consensus opinion around most of Europe.