Rolf Harris 31 Posted July 23, 2022 Farke style doesn't work in the premier league unless you have money. Strong technical players come with a price tag. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeiranShikari 1,426 Posted July 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, wheres my rebate gone? said: I’m afraid it’s nothing like Farke in season 1, you could see from the off what he was trying to achieve and how he wanted us to play, Smith has had 3/4 of a season and a full pre season and I’ve still no idea about what his tactics are and what we are trying to achieve! I'm not sure Smith really tried to implement a style of play last season. We saw glimpses of the pressing he wanted during the games where Idah played up top with Pukki but his injury pretty much ended that. During this pre season we have consistently seen one of a couple of formations and and a side clearly working on it's pressing. The lack of stability and creativity in midfield is almost certainly what Hayden and Sara have been signed to give so we're still a way off seeing the side Smith wants to put out. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Raptor 1,227 Posted July 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said: Having been to many forums over the years and listening to numerous managers/head coaches such as Martin O'Neill, Mike Walker, Glen Roeder, Alex Neil, Chris Hughton, Peter Grant, Paul Lambert, Daniel Farke et al i have to say that i left the forum Thursday night unimpressed with what i heard I went to one with Roeder and came out impressed with everything he said. Thought he spoke alot of sense and look how that turned out! Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarybubbles 1,925 Posted July 23, 2022 I have often accused Smith of playing a form of hoofball, and I have to admit that today was not hoofball. The problem is that the only time we have looked even slightly competent under Smith is when we have played long balls, either upfront or to the diagonals. On every other occasion there has been no sign at all of any shape or plan or structure or joined-up thinking. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rolf Harris 31 Posted July 23, 2022 What we need is a tactically wise manager who can change the game depending on the opposition. Hence the reason for different types of players in the squad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,777 Posted July 23, 2022 1 minute ago, The Raptor said: I went to one with Roeder and came out impressed with everything he said. Thought he spoke alot of sense and look how that turned out! Â I know what you are saying and the same with Peter Grant so all we can hope is that S&S prove me and those who are also inconvinced wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,673 Posted July 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said: Funny how when we beat Marseille these same people that are now saying "I dont like Smith we are not going up.." were then saying "it's only pre season don't take anything from these results they mean nothing..." I’ve said that all along - win, lose or draw.  I stopped using preseason to judge anything 20-30 years ago.  It always seemed the worse we did the better the season went. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wheres my rebate gone? 85 Posted July 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said: I’ve said that all along - win, lose or draw.  I stopped using preseason to judge anything 20-30 years ago.  It always seemed the worse we did the better the season went. If you think people are judging Smith on just this preseason you were clearly asleep for  3/4 of the previous season and the absolute dross that was served up! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,673 Posted July 23, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, wheres my rebate gone? said: If you think people are judging Smith on just this preseason you were clearly asleep for  3/4 of the previous season and the absolute dross that was served up! Well done for missing the point: where were these comments in the last month, when preseason results were ok? The answer is: nowhere. If your opinion is that he’s not up to it to it, that’s fine by me.  But it seems there’s many who only think it when we lose - that’s just ridiculous. Edited July 23, 2022 by Branston Pickle 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wheres my rebate gone? 85 Posted July 23, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said: Well done for missing the point: where were these comments in the last month, when preseason results were ok? The answer is: nowhere. If your opinion is that he’s not up to it to it, that’s fine by me.  But it seems there’s many who only think it when we lose - that’s just ridiculous. There was plenty of people not happy with Smith last season and if you actually read the board you will see plenty before our defeat today! I agree it’s ridiculous to base anything on pre season. Edited July 23, 2022 by wheres my rebate gone? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AJ 1,224 Posted July 23, 2022 Just now, wheres my rebate gone? said: There was plenty of people not happy with Smith last season and if you actually read the board you will see plenty before our defeat today! I'm on the fence, I was unhappy last season but fine with giving him a transfer window and some time but if we're not at the top end of the table come January then the writing will be on the wall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,648 Posted July 23, 2022 1 minute ago, AJ said: I'm on the fence, I was unhappy last season but fine with giving him a transfer window and some time but if we're not at the top end of the table come January then the writing will be on the wall I'm generally supportive of Smith but totally agree he's got to have us near the top by November or his position is up for discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Raptor 1,227 Posted July 23, 2022 Just now, AJ said: I'm on the fence, I was unhappy last season but fine with giving him a transfer window and some time but if we're not at the top end of the table come January then the writing will be on the wall Pretty much this for me. But give him time. In the October in Farkes second season I'd given up and him and we were going to ditch our season tickets if there wasn't a big improvement by renewal time. Luckily I was proved wrong and hopefully will be again! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,673 Posted July 23, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, AJ said: I'm on the fence, I was unhappy last season but fine with giving him a transfer window and some time but if we're not at the top end of the table come January then the writing will be on the wall That’s completely fair - I don’t think anyone could be against getting rid of things aren’t going ok - perhaps by the break for the world cup. The thing is I’m not particularly pro or anti )I was the same with DF - when others wanted him binned I thought it ridiculous)- I just want what’s best and we don’t yet know what that is. Smith’s record stands up to reasonable scrutiny despite some trying to show otherwise, and he deserves a chance. But it’s simply astonishing how many naysayers are coming out of the woodwork this evening…where were they last week?! Edited July 23, 2022 by Branston Pickle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeiranShikari 1,426 Posted July 23, 2022 I get that Farke has good will saved up but people seem to be forgetting how long it took for for Norwich to build fluency even in the last Championship season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wheres my rebate gone? 85 Posted July 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, AJ said: I'm on the fence, I was unhappy last season but fine with giving him a transfer window and some time but if we're not at the top end of the table come January then the writing will be on the wall Everyone is untitled to their opinion and you want to give him time, as are those who think he is a good manager (hopefully they are correct), you can probably tell I wish he wasn’t here, I’m worried that we will leave it too late to get rid of him and then we will be in real trouble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,269 Posted July 23, 2022 Just now, AJ said: I'm on the fence, I was unhappy last season but fine with giving him a transfer window and some time but if we're not at the top end of the table come January then the writing will be on the wall I don't think he's got until January tbh. There's not much goodwill in the bank. Partly a Webber thing and partly because Farke was so well liked. We have a fairly straightforward start in terms of opposition and expectations will be high. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keith Scott 245 Posted July 23, 2022 Not by a long shot. But I'm far less convinced by Delia Smith. All the best. Big K.Scott. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channon’s Windmill 327 Posted July 23, 2022 39 minutes ago, wheres my rebate gone? said: I’m afraid it’s nothing like Farke in season 1, you could see from the off what he was trying to achieve and how he wanted us to play, Smith has had 3/4 of a season and a full pre season and I’ve still no idea about what his tactics are and what we are trying to achieve! I get it and in no way am I defending Smith as for me the jury is out, however let’s see some of his ( I presume) signings when they are fit.Fir me I will reiterate, I don’t think Smith is the right fit for us and I think Webber ruined us last summer window and from that we won’t recover. IMO we will not make the top two this season and until the transfer window closes I will reserve judgement on top 6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 236 Posted July 23, 2022 I want my Farke back 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,309 Posted July 23, 2022 Nope not at all, but let’s see in ten games time, there’s a reason those loans went out to other teams last season and they’re not really new signings just a year older! I hope people don’t start to try and defend him again by saying not his squad as this is the same squad! He’s had two transfers to push changes! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarybubbles 1,925 Posted July 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, wheres my rebate gone? said: Everyone is untitled to their opinion and you want to give him time, as are those who think he is a good manager (hopefully they are correct), you can probably tell I wish he wasn’t here, I’m worried that we will leave it too late to get rid of him and then we will be in real trouble. This is my worry, too. He's not rubbish; he'll get us to 8th or 9th. Then everyone will say, 'He needs more time, he hasn't got his own squad, he's building something here, look at Brentford, blah blah blah'. And the following season we come 8th or 9th again, parachutes have gone, we have to sell any good young players we have, and we're just another mediocre championship club. IMO, we need someone inspirational this season and Dean Smith is not inspirational. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted July 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Channon’s Windmill said: I get it and in no way am I defending Smith as for me the jury is out, however let’s see some of his ( I presume) signings when they are fit.Fir me I will reiterate, I don’t think Smith is the right fit for us and I think Webber ruined us last summer window and from that we won’t recover. IMO we will not make the top two this season and until the transfer window closes I will reserve judgement on top 6. Yep, Webber window a disaster. What's the point in changing manager when he's in charge of recruitment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,673 Posted July 23, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, canarybubbles said: This is my worry, too. He's not rubbish; he'll get us to 8th or 9th. Then everyone will say, 'He needs more time, he hasn't got his own squad, he's building something here, look at Brentford, blah blah blah'. And the following season we come 8th or 9th again, parachutes have gone, we have to sell any good young players we have, and we're just another mediocre championship club. IMO, we need someone inspirational this season and Dean Smith is not inspirational. You seem to have a crystal ball - tonight’s lottery results might be handy if you have them😀? Edited July 23, 2022 by Branston Pickle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted July 23, 2022 1 minute ago, canarybubbles said: This is my worry, too. He's not rubbish; he'll get us to 8th or 9th. Then everyone will say, 'He needs more time, he hasn't got his own squad, he's building something here, look at Brentford, blah blah blah'. And the following season we come 8th or 9th again, parachutes have gone, we have to sell any good young players we have, and we're just another mediocre championship club. IMO, we need someone inspirational this season and Dean Smith is not inspirational. I think Webber would definitely be happy that Smith takes the blame in this scenario, rather than his dreadful recruitment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeiranShikari 1,426 Posted July 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, canarybubbles said: This is my worry, too. He's not rubbish; he'll get us to 8th or 9th. Then everyone will say, 'He needs more time, he hasn't got his own squad, he's building something here, look at Brentford, blah blah blah'. And the following season we come 8th or 9th again, parachutes have gone, we have to sell any good young players we have, and we're just another mediocre championship club. IMO, we need someone inspirational this season and Dean Smith is not inspirational. No chance in hell the fans will be up for giving him more time if we miss out on the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monty13 2,239 Posted July 23, 2022 40 minutes ago, Rolf Harris said: Farke style doesn't work in the premier league unless you have money. Strong technical players come with a price tag. This is the issue, we are trying to change the style of the team with minimal personnel changes due to budget. Anyone expecting this to be anything less than slow and painful is in for a shock in my opinion. I’m convinced that it needs to happen unfortunately, not convinced yet Dean is the best man to oversee it, we’ll see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarybubbles 1,925 Posted July 23, 2022 Just now, Branston Pickle said: You seem to have a crystal ball - tonight’s lottery results might be handy if you have them? It's my honest prediction. Most people on here make predictions. Some are saying we'll finish top two, some are saying play-offs, some are saying lower half. I don't mind putting my neck on the line. Where do you think we'll finish? Or don't you do predictions because you much prefer to sneer from the sidelines? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BurwellCanary 216 Posted July 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said: I think Webber would definitely be happy that Smith takes the blame in this scenario, rather than his dreadful recruitment. Havent we seen that before somewhere? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,309 Posted July 23, 2022 We should have given smith till the summer and not a full three year contract, we could have got rid in May and gone after Robins, someone with a style and getting the best on a budget with young players! Proven at Covvy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites