Does Hanley deserve the captaincy?

[cambridgeshire canary 7,798]

Thought this might create a decent little topic of discussion that might cause a good little debate.

 

To try and make it simple from my own perspective (which admittedly doesn't mean much given I'm not a football manager and I am more often wrong than right) I dont think he does. I think he  is a great guy from a personality perspective, and indeed I feel he probably does help thinks behind the scenes and in the dressing room- But is he a leader? Do you see him as one? Have his rather constant subpar performances dampened your perspectives on him and his leadership capabilities?

While I do think that the best position for a captain would be a player in the midfield if I had to pick another captain for us it would probably be Krul, although his abilities in midfield probably wouldn't be that good 😉

Edited October 25, 2020 by cambridgeshire canary

[Midlands Yellow 4,682]

Just now, cambridgeshire canary said:

Thought this might create a decent little topic of discussion that might cause a good little debate.

 

To try and make it simple from my own perspective (which admittedly doesn't mean much given I'm not a football manager and I am more often wrong than right) I dont think he does. I think he  is a great guy from a personality perspective, and indeed I feel he probably does help thinks behind the scenes and in the dressing room- But is he a leader? Do you see him as one? Have his rather constant subpar performances dampened your perspectives on him and his leadership capabilities?

While I do think that the best position for a captain would be a player in the midfield if I had to pick another captain for us it would probably be Krul.

Get Krul in midfield. 

[cambridgeshire canary 7,798]

2 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Get Krul in midfield. 

Why cant we be Krul? 😓

[Hucks6 186]

One mistake and we are discussing his captaincy.Good Captain 

[TheGunnShow 7,377]

He's an experienced head, an international player with a fair bit of international experience, battle-proven in this division, and he's a bit out of form as he's working his way back to full fitness. I'd say a centre-half is a better choice of captain than a central midfielder simply as they have more space in front of them and can see more of the play. Goalies as captains are often too far away and are pretty rare.

The three most likely captains in that line-up right now IMO are Hanley, Zimmermann, and Tettey, but Tetts is very much a back-up this season so he's out of the running.

[cambridgeshire canary 7,798]

4 minutes ago, Hucks6 said:

One mistake and we are discussing his captaincy.Good Captain 

'One mistake' wouldn't say its based on one game, fair to say hes never set the world on fire

 

Although yes I will say he is once again a top bloke, decent guy and has plenty of experience etc etc etc

[TheGunnShow 7,377]

No disrespect intended, but centre-halves - unless their first name is Virgil, rarely do. By definition it's a position where if you're very solid you tend to go somewhat unnoticed, but every mistake is magnified.

[sgncfc 1,330]

Generally speaking, centre backs make good captains because they can see the whole game and are involved - unlike a goalkeeper who is remote. A captain is usually not the best technical player but should be someone who is solid so they carry enough authority to have a go at those players who are better than them, when necessary. Too many mistakes will erode that authority. 

Hanley is a solid defender, surprisingly quick over 10 yards, very good in the air, but sometimes slow to initially react. He has cost us two goals (maybe, not sure either were solely down to him) so far this season but in games we have ended up winning, and in both his recovery from the error was exemplary. That's what a captain does. Everyone makes mistakes but a captain leads by example. Yesterday, both Krul and Gibson had shaky games after their part in the error.

So, to answer your question, he is probably the best option we have, at least until Gibson gets fully up to speed.

[Alex Moss 2,167]

Shame his goal bound effort was cleared off the line on Saturday. Is he a leader? You only needed to listen to the games prior to his reintroduction to the first 11 to hear him bellowing from the sidelines. Or watch him in the mini documentary’s to see his influence around the young players. I think he’s every inch the captain.

[nutty nigel 7,902]

After the goal I thought he was faultless. He saved us a few times clearing set plays from close to our goal. I think he's massive at Champs level.

[TIL 1010 5,246]

Can somebody please produce a load of stats surrounding everything that Hanley does or doesn't do as surely no judgement can be made on his ability to captain the team without them ?

[cambridgeshire canary 7,798]

4 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Can somebody please produce a load of stats surrounding everything that Hanley does or doesn't do as surely no judgement can be made on his ability to captain the team without them ?

I mean, I could do that. But that would take effort, and when have I ever put effort into anything I post?

[horsefly 5,301]

Krul was as much (if not more) to blame yesterday. He came dashing out to collect the ball then suddenly stopped by which time Hanley had stopped to avoid crashing into him. After that incident Hanley won virtually every header and interception. By all accounts he's a highly respected team mate and a very good leader. 

[Well b back 3,604]

Now this is not meant to criticise Vrancic but it’s the best example I can think of from yesterday. Hanley makes 1 mistake and then pretty much single handed defended an aerial and physical bombardment, saving 3 certain goals ( 2 off the line and the header from the in swinging corner ). Vrancic took a dive ( something Cantwell was slated for Tuesday ), got a freekick, scores an amazing goal. He proceeded then defensively to make several errors of judgement. Both remembered for 1 thing, yet which one contributed more to a win ? At least equal I would suggest.

We need to start judging players on their overall performances not their names.

[BroadstairsR 2,273]

How can any of us possibly know who deserves to be the captain?

We have no access to the dressing room or any of the other inner sanctums.

He does seem to be a popular figure at the club, well respected with bags of experience and is somewhat of a leader on the pitch ... we've had better, we've had worse.

Some players  stand out in the role with actions and words, some don't. Hanley is about half and half.

Only Farke should be in a position to designate that role though.

Edited October 25, 2020 by BroadstairsR

[Well b back 3,604]

13 minutes ago, BroadstairsR said:

How can any of us possibly know who deserves to be the captain?

We have no access to the dressing room or any of the other inner sanctums.

He does seem to be a popular figure at the club, well respected with bags of experience and is somewhat of a leader on the pitch ... we've had better, we've had worse.

Some players  stand out in the role with actions and words, some don't. Hanley is about half and half.

Only Farke should be in a position to designate that role though.

Spot on.

Haven’t got any of those little heart things left today but have one in writing.

[C.I.D 358]

53 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Krul was as much (if not more) to blame yesterday. He came dashing out to collect the ball then suddenly stopped by which time Hanley had stopped to avoid crashing into him. After that incident Hanley won virtually every header and interception. By all accounts he's a highly respected team mate and a very good leader. 

.........which often counts a lot as a captain in team games 🙂

[CirclePoint 208]

1 hour ago, TheGunnShow said:

No disrespect intended, but centre-halves - unless their first name is Virgil, rarely do. By definition it's a position where if you're very solid you tend to go somewhat unnoticed, but every mistake is magnified.

Exactly. The centre-halves position is an unforgiving position. Can you imagine if a defender 'missed' as many times as a forward?

Once Hanley has had a few more games to find his groove and begin feeling the momentum of the field of play, then I'm sure he'll be rock solid as his voice as a captain will not be in question.

Edited October 25, 2020 by CirclePoint

[East Rider 589]

Thought Alex Tettey was great as captain for us. Very loud, urging the team on and generally plays well.

However, Hanley gets better each game he plays, looks superbly in shape and leads not only by example but also in encouraging others and demanding effort.

Yes he certainly deserves the captaincy.  

 

 

[Six Pack 105]

7 hours ago, Well b back said:

Now this is not meant to criticise Vrancic but it’s the best example I can think of from yesterday. Hanley makes 1 mistake and then pretty much single handed defended an aerial and physical bombardment, saving 3 certain goals ( 2 off the line and the header from the in swinging corner ). Vrancic took a dive ( something Cantwell was slated for Tuesday ), got a freekick, scores an amazing goal. He proceeded then defensively to make several errors of judgement. Both remembered for 1 thing, yet which one contributed more to a win ? At least equal I would suggest.

We need to start judging players on their overall performances not their names.

Even the Wycombe manager accepted the freekick on Saturday ! The media didn't mention it - yet we have Vrancic haters - so-called Norwich fans invading the forum devaluing Vrancic's performance ! If you want to "big up" Hanley's  performance and cover over his errors you need a better way of doing this and a better comparison ! One almost lost us the game and other won it ! Not equal is it ?

Why not use an agrument such as Hanley may have got a call from Krul resulting in the error  rather than attack our best players ??!!

[Beefy is a legend 224]

Partly because we are perhaps a centre half light there has been quite a lot of moaning about our defensive frailties again this season so far.

The reality is we've conceded 6 goals in 7 games and if we maintain a ratio anything near that we are in for a great season. The goals conceded so far have been:

- Penalty conceded by Skipp v Preston

- Rooney free kick v Derby

- Hanley error v Rotherham

- Hanley/Krul error v Wycombe

- Zimbo turned too easily/good finish v Bournemouth

- Skipp didn't track runner v Preston

Four open play goals conceded and two set plays, not bad for 7 games. And encouraging that but for three players everyone else has been pretty faultless. 

[Six Pack 105]

The weak part of our team is central defence. None of Hanley, Zimmermann or Gibson give me much confidence - there are simple errors in all three players, over 90 minutes we are going to concede goals . They are all lower championship players but playing with very skillful forwards are in a competitive team. All 3 are passionate team-players and all 3 could be captain. I don't argue with Hanley being captain, probably the best choice of the players out there - but he needs to lead by example - it's lucky Farke has instilled a close knit team attitude in the team because "on-the-field" examples he is displaying is not good. Hanley was injuried and did not feature in the team which won promotion to the prem. Incidently the winning run started after he got injured. We need him to keep his concentration.

Given the weakness I see we have at central back I think we should try Skipp in that position. I know Spurs want us to develop him as a midfielder but to me he has right attributes to make a good central defender. Could he be another Godfrey ?

So Hanley - good captain but not great player !

[Jools 584]

Hanley has betwixt 11 - 15 goals in him per season -- Mostly for the opposition..

Krul ought to be captain and the lack of quality defenders will likely cost us -- again.

We have too large a squad with which Farke will struggle with in trying to accommodate throughout the season and the late winners will dry up --- Team spirit will diminish and I reckon we'll finish outside the top six.

The optimistic side of me says I'm totally wrong and we'll wind up Champions competing in a first division minus the big six 👍 

[Alex Moss 2,167]

48 minutes ago, Six Pack said:

The weak part of our team is central defence. None of Hanley, Zimmermann or Gibson give me much confidence - there are simple errors in all three players, over 90 minutes we are going to concede goals . They are all lower championship players but playing with very skillful forwards are in a competitive team. All 3 are passionate team-players and all 3 could be captain. I don't argue with Hanley being captain, probably the best choice of the players out there - but he needs to lead by example - it's lucky Farke has instilled a close knit team attitude in the team because "on-the-field" examples he is displaying is not good. Hanley was injuried and did not feature in the team which won promotion to the prem. Incidently the winning run started after he got injured. We need him to keep his concentration.

Given the weakness I see we have at central back I think we should try Skipp in that position. I know Spurs want us to develop him as a midfielder but to me he has right attributes to make a good central defender. Could he be another Godfrey ?

So Hanley - good captain but not great player !

Skipp as a CB? I think Ollie Skipp’s about 3’6’’ in heels on a fireman’s ladder

[Well b back 3,604]

1 hour ago, Six Pack said:

Even the Wycombe manager accepted the freekick on Saturday ! The media didn't mention it - yet we have Vrancic haters - so-called Norwich fans invading the forum devaluing Vrancic's performance ! If you want to "big up" Hanley's  performance and cover over his errors you need a better way of doing this and a better comparison ! One almost lost us the game and other won it ! Not equal is it ?

Why not use an agrument such as Hanley may have got a call from Krul resulting in the error  rather than attack our best players ??!!

Please could you read my post again and my other contributions and tell me where I have slated Vrancic. Then read your post again and as you will see you have done exactly what I said people were doing. Hanley made one error. He cleared the ball off the line 3 times, he stood up to an aerial bombardment yet he still gets slated. Then you mention the Championship but forget to mention last year when our 1 good run was when Hanley came back. Skipp as a centre half, that would be fun.

[Six Pack 105]

1 hour ago, Well b back said:

Please could you read my post again and my other contributions and tell me where I have slated Vrancic. Then read your post again and as you will see you have done exactly what I said people were doing. Hanley made one error. He cleared the ball off the line 3 times, he stood up to an aerial bombardment yet he still gets slated. Then you mention the Championship but forget to mention last year when our 1 good run was when Hanley came back. Skipp as a centre half, that would be fun.

All good you making your point about Hanley but by pointing out that Hanley's contribution was as meaningful as Vrancic's by implying Vrancic dived for the freekick is derogatory. He certainly crushed under a tackle or tackles - we know the likes of Vrancic, Cantwell and Buendia are lightweights so could be knocked over fairly simply even in a 50/50. As I saw it he went down under a physical challenge which the referee gave. It can only be called a dive if no touched him. (they show the goal a lot but not the lead up to it). I agree that Hanley should be captain and remain in the team, I like his attitude and he is a battler but unless he improves his decision making, we will be needing a lot more goals to win games.

Height may be Skipp's only issue. He has that certain balance that may be better defending quick opposition strikers.

[Six Pack 105]

2 hours ago, Alex Moss said:

Skipp as a CB? I think Ollie Skipp’s about 3’6’’ in heels on a fireman’s ladder

He's around 6 ft tall.

[wcorkcanary 4,784]

3 hours ago, Six Pack said:

He's around 6 ft tall.

He must be fairly blocky built then as he doesnt look 6' tall. If we'd kept Godfrey , we could have had him and Skipp swap positions..... sorted.😇😉👍

[Alex Moss 2,167]

3 hours ago, Six Pack said:

He's around 6 ft tall.

He’s 5’9’’ - which would be small for a CB.

[Six Pack 105]

13 hours ago, Alex Moss said:

He’s 5’9’’ - which would be small for a CB.

Only 5’9’’

Well - back to the drawing board !