Official: Klose Leaves

[Duncan Edwards 2,236]

6 minutes ago, Canary Wundaboy said:

For the last time, Tettey is not a CB. 

Nor was Ben Godfrey according to half the people on here

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,557]

3 minutes ago, chicken said:

Was Michael Bailey's comment in relation to today or a couple of days ago. When he says nothing on the way, that suggests in the next 24/48, journo's don't always get much more of an inkling on moves. Could be something is going on behind the scenes he simply doesn't know about.

He said it again this morning when the news was announced that Klose was leaving. The PinkUn say differently. Both seemed a little blindsided by the Klose news - while they knew there was some discussions, neither had reported that the move was on the verge of being completed. 

[hogesar 9,671]

1 minute ago, Duncan Edwards said:

Nor was Ben Godfrey according to half the people on here

True. I also think, to be fair, against half this division Tettey would be perfectly fine at CB. Hopefully we never have to utilise him there mind.

[Capt. Pants 4,234]

7 minutes ago, Canary Wundaboy said:

For the last time, Tettey is not a CB. 

I know CW.

Don't know how many times it has to said. 

 

[king canary 7,606]

2 minutes ago, hogesar said:

I guess we're going to likely play it 'safe' in terms of spending as we're not sure how long we'll be suffering from Coronavirus, and linked to that is we have a big wage bill at the moment with a selection of players we probably thought initially would be easy enough to move on. 

With wage commitments to so many players I can't see us spending any significant money but a short-term commitment such as a loan makes perfect sense to me.

I agree that seems the most sensible action. Only issue is many teams won't want to loan a player out to be backup but the fact there is so many games in a short space of time means we should be able to rotate enough to give everyone significant game time in the unlikely event all our defenders stay fit.

[Yellow and Green 334]

3 minutes ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said:

He said it again this morning when the news was announced that Klose was leaving. The PinkUn say differently. Both seemed a little blindsided by the Klose news - while they knew there was some discussions, neither had reported that the move was on the verge of being completed. 

We seem to be in a tricky situation where we clearly have 3 centre backs who all have dodgy injury records.

Having said that, any club looking to loan us a player will want reassurances that they will get plenty of game time. That is going to leave two of Gibson, Hanley and Zimbo fairly aggrieved every week. They're all decent players who would expect to be in the starting lineup.

 That is where the Tettey/Sorensen/Omobamidele idea is coming from. It is really up to Farke's judgement to see if Sorensen and Omobamidele are up to the job or not.

Saliba must be a tempting option though...

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8 minutes ago, king canary said:

I agree that seems the most sensible action. Only issue is many teams won't want to loan a player out to be backup but the fact there is so many games in a short space of time means we should be able to rotate enough to give everyone significant game time in the unlikely event all our defenders stay fit.

I think the flipside is that if you're going to sign a player permanently we might get better value now with clubs in difficult positions, and players too. We might have to offer a 3 year contract but possibly lower wages than normal? I've not seen anything online to suggest that salaries to footballers have changed over this window but potentially..

[king canary 7,606]

Just now, hogesar said:

I think the flipside is that if you're going to sign a player permanently we might get better value now with clubs in difficult positions, and players too. We might have to offer a 3 year contract but possibly lower wages than normal? I've not seen anything online to suggest that salaries to footballers have changed over this window but potentially..

Thinking like an absolute vulture, it might be a great time to try and poach and up and comer from League One where some clubs are going to be in serious financial trouble in the not too distant future.

I had a brief look at a list of free agent central defenders but it wasn't hugely inspiring, unless you fancy a 36 year old Ashley Williams.

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,557]

2 minutes ago, Yellow and Green said:

We seem to be in a tricky situation where we clearly have 3 centre backs who all have dodgy injury records.

Having said that, any club looking to loan us a player will want reassurances that they will get plenty of game time. That is going to leave two of Gibson, Hanley and Zimbo fairly aggrieved every week. They're all decent players who would expect to be in the starting lineup.

 That is where the Tettey/Sorensen/Omobamidele idea is coming from. It is really up to Farke's judgement to see if Sorensen and Omobamidele are up to the job or not.

Saliba must be a tempting option though...

Firstly, I'd question that. Prior to 19/20 Zimmermann had barely missed a game through injury for Norwich (once in 18/19 I think). Gibson had an injury a couple of years ago when he first moved to Burnley, but not sure of much since then. It wouldn't be too outlandish to think that those two could go the whole season without much disruption. 

Hanley does seem a bit breakable, but if not needed to play regularly he might be able to manage that better this season. 

If a player better than you is signed and you lose your place in the team, that is football. Players can't be too aggrieved about that (especially when Zimmermann has not been playing well so far this season).

Saliba would be a great option, he is very similar in style to Godfrey - fast, good at stepping out of defence and good passing range. He is a little raw, which is why Arsenal want him to go out on loan, but alongside Gibson who is a good organiser at the back could be a stand out defender in the League. He could easily be Norwich's version of Ben White.

[chicken 2,624]

Re coronavirus finances. Mick Dennis put out a couple of tweets a couple of days ago suggesting that EPL clubs from last season and this season may have to pay back some of it over coming seasons. I'll try and find the tweets hang on...

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2 hours ago, NFN FC said:

Decent player. I wish him all the best! 

Header against binners was the highlight. Closely followed by the time he left the Pornhub tab on screen in a photo, good lad! 

Some would say the Pornhub tab on screen is WAY better 😀

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1 hour ago, Duncan Edwards said:

Didn't say there wasn't any.

We don't however know how long that is going to have to support us. We're not going to go on a mad spree - well, any type of spree - with so many unknowns floating around. Omobamidele will be the option at CB if required, I reckon. 

 

 

Many unknowns = no mad spree

No unknowns = still no mad spree ( OK maybe a couple of quid in Poundland )

 

[zema abbey football genius 36]

48 minutes ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said:

I think it is actually £35m initially, which could go up to £45m if all the add ons are triggered.

I would expect both deals will be in the form of stage payments / instalments...

Only a % of the deals will have been received in ‘cash’. That said, it should  certainly be enough to bring in a couple of defenders!

I still don’t really understand the logic of the McCallum loan tbh 🤦🏼‍♂️

[king canary 7,606]

Just now, zema abbey football genius said:

I would expect both deals will be in the form of stage payments / instalments...

Only a % of the deals will have been received in ‘cash’. That said, it should  certainly be enough to bring in a couple of defenders!

I still don’t really understand the logic of the McCallum loan tbh 🤦🏼‍♂️

Yeah but that would be equally true of any signings we make.

[Yellow and Green 334]

26 minutes ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said:

Firstly, I'd question that. Prior to 19/20 Zimmermann had barely missed a game through injury for Norwich (once in 18/19 I think). Gibson had an injury a couple of years ago when he first moved to Burnley, but not sure of much since then. It wouldn't be too outlandish to think that those two could go the whole season without much disruption. 

Hanley does seem a bit breakable, but if not needed to play regularly he might be able to manage that better this season. 

If a player better than you is signed and you lose your place in the team, that is football. Players can't be too aggrieved about that (especially when Zimmermann has not been playing well so far this season).

Saliba would be a great option, he is very similar in style to Godfrey - fast, good at stepping out of defence and good passing range. He is a little raw, which is why Arsenal want him to go out on loan, but alongside Gibson who is a good organiser at the back could be a stand out defender in the League. He could easily be Norwich's version of Ben White.

Fair point, however you wouldn't be confident going into this season, as congested as it is, with three recognised centre backs after last season. 

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5 minutes ago, king canary said:

Yeah but that would be equally true of any signings we make.

Indeed. I was merely highlighting the fact that we haven’t got the cash from the sales burning a hole in our pocket! 

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56 minutes ago, Yellow and Green said:

We seem to be in a tricky situation where we clearly have 3 centre backs who all have dodgy injury records.

Having said that, any club looking to loan us a player will want reassurances that they will get plenty of game time. That is going to leave two of Gibson, Hanley and Zimbo fairly aggrieved every week. They're all decent players who would expect to be in the starting lineup.

 That is where the Tettey/Sorensen/Omobamidele idea is coming from. It is really up to Farke's judgement to see if Sorensen and Omobamidele are up to the job or not.

Saliba must be a tempting option though...

Plenty of money in the bank to buy a young prospect though

[TeemuVanBasten 3,327]

1 hour ago, hogesar said:

True. I also think, to be fair, against half this division Tettey would be perfectly fine at CB. Hopefully we never have to utilise him there mind.

I hope our players and other football staff aren't underestimating the quality in this division as much as you, the idea of Tettey going up for a header with Kieffer Moorre or trying to get the right side of Adam Armstrong on a break would fill me with dread.

We need a centre back, preferably one that we pay actual money for on a permanent contract. 

[hogesar 9,671]

Just now, TeemuVanBasten said:

I hope our players and other football staff aren't underestimating the quality in this division as much as you, the idea of Tettey going up for a header with Kieffer Moorre or trying to get the right side of Adam Armstrong on a break would fill me with dread.

We need a centre back, preferably one that we pay actual money for on a permanent contract. 

Godfrey probably wouldn't win many headers against Kieffer Moore so not massively relevant. Tettey can do a job against some teams in this league at CB, he wasn't awful in some of his appearances at CB in the Premier League for crying out loud.

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1 minute ago, hogesar said:

Tettey can do a job against some teams in this league at CB, he wasn't awful in some of his appearances at CB in the Premier League for crying out loud.

The biggest problem with Tettey as CB is that he isn't as good an organiser of a back four like Zimbo/Hanley/Klose. Godfrey needed a strong leader type next to him to keep him right.  Tettey is good cover at CB, but you wouldn't want him there regularly. 

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3 minutes ago, hogesar said:

Tettey can do a job against some teams in this league at CB

Exactly, some teams. Unfortunately we wouldn't get to decide when two of our three centre backs get themselves injured or suspended at the same time, and the last thing we need is to be putting Tettey up against Deeney or Josh King because we've got no choice.

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The joy he brought to scum fans with that last gasp equaliser was wonderful to behold.

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1 hour ago, chicken said:

Was Michael Bailey's comment in relation to today or a couple of days ago. When he says nothing on the way, that suggests in the next 24/48, journo's don't always get much more of an inkling on moves. Could be something is going on behind the scenes he simply doesn't know about.

Today. Hold on I'll find it...

 

[yellowrider120 762]

40 minutes ago, hogesar said:

Godfrey probably wouldn't win many headers against Kieffer Moore so not massively relevant. Tettey can do a job against some teams in this league at CB, he wasn't awful in some of his appearances at CB in the Premier League for crying out loud.

And this sums up perfectly our complete lack of ambition! Any professional footballer should be able to ...........'do a job' in another position but to rely on that is the definition of insanity / stupidity (take your pick!). Quite why a club that knows it's going to trouser £40M and pocketing TV parachute payments also, should resort to 'making do' is a very sad state of affairs.   

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15 minutes ago, yellowrider120 said:

And this sums up perfectly our complete lack of ambition! Any professional footballer should be able to ...........'do a job' in another position but to rely on that is the definition of insanity / stupidity (take your pick!). Quite why a club that knows it's going to trouser £40M and pocketing TV parachute payments also, should resort to 'making do' is a very sad state of affairs.   

But we're not relying on someone like Tettey as permanent CB are we. We've got 3 specialist CBs at the mo, for 2 of them to be long term injured at the same time is improbable.

Improbable but not impossible of course, as amply demonstrated last season.

However that was bonkers. How often has that happened in PL history? I'd say it's a once in a generation event, & you can't decide a transfer policy based on those sort of odds.

If we bring in CB cover I doubt he'd be any better than Alex. And that would be a pointless exercise.

[Nuff Said 5,141]

21 minutes ago, yellowrider120 said:

And this sums up perfectly our complete lack of ambition! Any professional footballer should be able to ...........'do a job' in another position but to rely on that is the definition of insanity / stupidity (take your pick!). Quite why a club that knows it's going to trouser £40M and pocketing TV parachute payments also, should resort to 'making do' is a very sad state of affairs.   

You could equally say that why any club would waste money on an expensive backup at CB when it has several options in an emergency is a sad state of affairs. Of course, *you* would never say that because all you ever seem to post is anti-club complaints.

[Yorkshire Canary 118]

So Klose has gone, for me his time here has been a mixed bag. From the outset i would say he has behaved like a model professional that others could look to and copy and he has been a big influence in a positive way for younger players. In many ways it is a shame that we did not sign him a couple of years earlier as we have not seen the best of him. When we got him in our PL relegation battle he made such a positive impact i thought he may well save us, but of course injury put paid to this. His first season in the championship was not a great one by his own admission, the physical nature of it was a nasty shock to him. He adapted and reacted to this very well and was one of the key contributors to our promotion season. That early season injury in the PL robbed us of him and by the time he came back post lock down he was not the player he had been and the way the whole squad performed it was a sinking ship. So thanks for what he has done, maybe in years to come he may return in some coaching capacity he has the ideal personality. In the cold light of day we paid about £9m for him and that has become zero for  one and a half good seasons so it has been an expensive experiment, but he is such a popular player most if not all wish him well

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52 minutes ago, ron obvious said:

But we're not relying on someone like Tettey as permanent CB are we. We've got 3 specialist CBs at the mo, for 2 of them to be long term injured at the same time is improbable.

Improbable but not impossible of course, as amply demonstrated last season.

However that was bonkers. How often has that happened in PL history? I'd say it's a once in a generation event, & you can't decide a transfer policy based on those sort of odds.

If we bring in CB cover I doubt he'd be any better than Alex. And that would be a pointless exercise.

Absolutely amazing to me how many people are ok with our defensive numbers after last season and the very unique circumstances of this season.

Another central defender isn't just about injuries- it is also about form and continuing to challenge our current starters.

Lets say Hanley gets injured- that basically means Zimmerman and Gibson are guaranteed their places even if their form is poor (and Zimmerman hasn't been good so far this season) unless we decide we'd rather play an out of position player who looked deeply uncomfortable in central defense last season. 

It also means if we ever think a back 3 is the way forward we either have to have all of central defenders fit, or move someone out of position.

The idea isn't that we'd just be bringing in any old player to be 4th choice- instead we should be looking at a player who can challenge Zimmerman and Gibson for a starting job. 

 

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54 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

You could equally say that why any club would waste money on an expensive backup at CB when it has several options in an emergency is a sad state of affairs. Of course, *you* would never say that because all you ever seem to post is anti-club complaints.

Who says any new signing would be a backup? We might bring someone in who ends up playing the majority of matches.

And with only Gibson, Hanley and Zimmermann, one short-term injury becomes an emergency, and I'm not convinced we have any adequate alternative options, never mind several. 

[Yorkshire Canary 118]

Its a balancing act but we need more CB cover now either loan or signing, i am not suggesting we blow other than a modest proportion of our transfer money from player sales but we are a couple of injuries away from being lower mid table