New Tory Leader

[ricardo 7,395]

15 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

The point is either way she gets her referendum. All she the has to do is to win it.

She is likely to be sadly disappointed with the outcome.

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

9 hours ago, horsefly said:

So what would you call those who throw similar mindless abuse at "lefties" and Biden (etc) on this site? Are they mindless and shallow too?

If they are throwing 'mindless abuse' it would therefore be mindless, init? How about asking a sensible question.

[Barbe bleu 827]

25 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

The point is either way she gets her referendum. All she the has to do is to win 

And hope the goverment doesn't go 'all spanish' on them..

 

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

3 hours ago, Herman said:

There's also;

Brexiters: We want our sovereignty back.

Scotland: We want sovereignty.

Brexiters: Get lost.

Why do you think it is only Brexiteers that want Scotland to remain in the Union? It is not a claim I'm familiar with.

[Herman 9,779]

2 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Why do you think it is only Brexiteers that want Scotland to remain in the Union? It is not a claim I'm familiar with.

I don't. Having read many opinions it seems the vast majority want the union to stay together but a lot, including myself, think they should have a say in their own governance. Those that don't think they should have say generally turn out to be brexiters.

[KiwiScot 1,450]

1 hour ago, Yellow Fever said:

The point is either way she gets her referendum. All she the has to do is to win it.

A GE is not a referendum.

[horsefly 4,301]

8 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

If they are throwing 'mindless abuse' it would therefore be mindless, init? How about asking a sensible question.

Just making sure you are aware of your own self-description as a mindless and shameful right-wing idiot.

[Mr Apples 1,320]

It's probably all part of a longer game...Sturgeon goes to the Supreme Court to establish legalities, if its turned down she has a new stick to use against the UKG (democracy denied, Boris gloats, but at least she follows the law) and can also let her supporters down gently (we tried, Boris gloats, we can't have a referendum according to law and they're stopping us).

Boris/Tories will inevitably further alienate the devolved nations, possibly get obliterated in 2024, SNP landslide, and then see what happens.

She's only got a couple of years to run as the SNP are running out of steam under her, and is now probably too divisive a character to secure the Indy vote (in the same way Salmond was in 2014).

Apples

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

20 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Well I had in mind Rock and Pop during the sixties and seventies, and the festivals the accompanied them, and while they may be before your time, today's political statements coming out of festivals are extremely shallow when compared with the past. Booing Boris Johnson at the Royal Jubilee kinda makes my point. 

They weren't before my time and I think you are completely wrong in making those conclusions - seems to me your views on this, just as on Brexit, are formed by a very rosy, nostagic/romantic version of the 20th century which has only a very small correlation with reality.

Edited June 29, 2022 by Creative Midfielder

[horsefly 4,301]

Your daily corruption report:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-donor-who-funds-climate-denial-campaign-group-set-to-become-peer/ar-AAYXVtf?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8fc4fff313b843af8ff1654f11daf2e9

Tory donor who funds climate denial campaign group set to become peer

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

6 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Your daily corruption report:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/tory-donor-who-funds-climate-denial-campaign-group-set-to-become-peer/ar-AAYXVtf?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8fc4fff313b843af8ff1654f11daf2e9

Tory donor who funds climate denial campaign group set to become peer

Lets hope the Thames Barrier is still working when he makes his maiden speech.

[Yellow Fever 3,793]

13 hours ago, KiwiScot said:

A GE is not a referendum.

If she goes 'single issue' it de-facto is.

[Herman 9,779]

...and for balance, Rayner was off her game in a dreadful PMQs today.

[MooreMarriot 310]

1 hour ago, Herman said:

...and for balance, Rayner was off her game in a dreadful PMQs today.

Clearly the working classes should know their place , old fashioned  English snobbishness alive and well in the Conservative Party . They should also stay away from art galleries , the theatre , eat a diet of fish & chips and stay out of posh restaurants. 

[A Load of Squit 5,170]

Those of you with a delicate nature will want to avoid the text in the tweet below. 

 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

The investigation into whether Boris Johnson deliberately misled parliament over the partygate scandal has begun with a call for evidence - and individuals will be allowed to contribute to the inquiry anonymously.

Labour veteran Harriet Harman, currently the longest-serving female MP, has been selected to chair the probe which will be conducted by the Commons Privileges Committee.

Ms Harman was unanimously elected to take up the role.

A statement from the committee said it is "calling for evidence submissions and accounts from those with knowledge of events related to the inquiry".

It continues: "Specifically, the committee is seeking witness information and evidence which would enable it to determine whether or not the Right Honourable Member for Uxbridge and South Ruislip misled the House."

The committee said it will take a range of written and oral evidence.

It added that this can be submitted anonymously "subject to the chair being able to identify the individual's identity in conjunction with committee staff, as well as the relevance and probity of their evidence".

The inquiry will consider evidence related to:

• Mr Johnson's knowledge of the activities in 10 Downing Street and the Cabinet Office under COVID regulations, from the occurrence of those events until now

• Any briefing given to, or inquiries made by, Mr Johnson relating to those events.

The deadline for submitting evidence is 29 July.

Oral evidence sessions are expected to begin in the autumn.

[Herman 9,779]

55 minutes ago, MooreMarriot said:

Clearly the working classes should know their place , old fashioned  English snobbishness alive and well in the Conservative Party . They should also stay away from art galleries , the theatre , eat a diet of fish & chips and stay out of posh restaurants. 

The last two I'm comfortable with.😀

[A Load of Squit 5,170]

5 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

 

The committee said it will take a range of written and oral evidence.

Carrie going for the 'It was a work event' ****job.

[MooreMarriot 310]

10 minutes ago, Herman said:

The last two I'm comfortable with.😀

I think Raaaaaab has been influenced by noted social commentator Mr. Cholmondley-Warner :

 

 

 

[KiwiScot 1,450]

3 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

If she goes 'single issue' it de-facto is.

It's really not.

[Mr Apples 1,320]

55 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

Carrie going for the 'It was a work event' ****job.

C'mon, they'll never swallow that. 🤭🤣

Apples

[sonyc 5,526]

On 28/06/2022 at 14:52, canarydan23 said:

It's a pretty f***ing big step towards fascism. And people cheering it on and justifying it is eerily reminiscent of of a certain country in the 1930s.

I've been worried about the way our politics has been moving for the last decade. And I posted those 14 indicators (Umberto) characterising fascism before. The trouble is that such extreme policies (thinking here about the right to protest, immigration, contracts, the selling off ...) start to shift public attitudes. The shift to the far of right starts in small ways.

We saw what happened in Brexit. It introduced division ... foreigners started to feel unwelcome. It made the EU an enemy. It split families.  We watch in horror what is happening in Ukraine. We read right now about the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys in the US and Trump's role. 

The population gets groomed, gets used to those in charge of governing being unlawful, unreasonable, those very people who ought to be providing a moral lead. In wider society (esp. social media) you see how opinions are castigated. Anytime someone takes an independent mind on an issue.

Look at the football side of this forum...it is full of personal attack. Posters who post views that don't follow a certain line are subjected to attack...look through some threads how a kind of mob rule takes over...It makes me feel for those posters. I've tried before to suggest folk are allowed to post anything (even if we disagree very strongly) ...because surely, any view can be debated with a certain amount of (human) respect? I give this example of this forum purely as an example, a tiny microcosm for sure.

It really concerns me that one day you wake up and find that you're on the wrong side of the fence. 

I realise this post hints at something malevolent and I'm sure over-reaches (?) but it is still worth airing. Having such a government like the one we have without strong opposition and for such a longish time (12 years) moves the narrative. Such a political culture has a tendency to pitch person against person. 

Does anyone have similar worries or anxiety ? Or am I skiing well off piste ?😄

It's why I've often argued for having a degree of uncertainty about what happens in life, in our everyday world. This opens up more time to reflect and listen rather than to immediately respond. I suppose that i might be arguing here for getting a kind of 'perspective'.

Anyway...I've been thinking about your post canarydan23 and just thinking about whether we are taking "a step" as you've stated. I've concluded that is the direction of travel and we don't have to look too far back in history to see how society changes - and what you thought was ok actually isn't and you have sleep walked.

Edited June 29, 2022 by sonyc

[littleyellowbirdie 2,551]

31 minutes ago, sonyc said:

I've been worried about the way our politics has been moving for the last decade. And I posted those 14 indicators (Umberto) characterising fascism before. The trouble is that such extreme policies (thinking here about the right to protest, immigration, contracts, the selling off ...) start to shift public attitudes. The shift to the far of right starts in small ways.

We saw what happened in Brexit. It introduced division ... foreigners started to feel unwelcome. It made the EU an enemy. It split families.  We watch in horror what is happening in Ukraine. We read right now about the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys in the US and Trump's role. 

The population gets groomed, gets used to those in charge of governing being unlawful, unreasonable, those very people who ought to be providing a moral lead. In wider society (esp. social media) you see how opinions are castigated. Anytime someone takes an independent mind on an issue.

Look at the football side of this forum...it is full of personal attack. Posters who post views that don't follow a certain line are subjected to attack...look through some threads how a kind of mob rule takes over...It makes me feel for those posters. I've tried before to suggest folk are allowed to post anything (even if we disagree very strongly) ...because surely, any view can be debated with a certain amount of (human) respect? I give this example of this forum purely as an example, a tiny microcosm for sure.

It really concerns me that one day you wake up and find that you're on the wrong side of the fence. 

I realise this post hints at something malevolent and I'm sure over-reaches (?) but it is still worth airing. Having such a government like the one we have without strong opposition and for such a longish time (12 years) moves the narrative. Such a political culture has a tendency to pitch person against person. 

Does anyone have similar worries or anxiety ? Or am I skiing well off piste ?😄

It's why I've often argued for having a degree of uncertainty about what happens in life, in our everyday world. This opens up more time to reflect and listen rather than to immediately respond. I suppose that i might be arguing here for getting a kind of 'perspective'.

Anyway...I've been thinking about your post canarydan23 and just thinking about whether we are taking "a step" as you've stated. I've concluded that is the direction of travel and we don't have to look too far back in history to see how society changes - and what you thought was ok actually isn't and you have sleep walked.

To be fair, arresting an aged party member 17 years ago under anti-terror laws simplyfor heckling takes some beating.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/sep/29/labourconference.labour

[Herman 9,779]

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/whataboutism

[sonyc 5,526]

1 hour ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

To be fair, arresting an aged party member 17 years ago under anti-terror laws simplyfor heckling takes some beating.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/sep/29/labourconference.labour

Blimey, that IS an oblique response to my (admittedly rambling) piece on attitudes being hardened because of a direction towards fascism. Perhaps it was so rambling that you thought of that heckling angle.

I remember that fella being asked to leave and the apologies after (which at least happened).

Labour has often had its battles in 'plein air' hasn't it? Often airing their dirty washing at conferences - and I guess that is healthy overall. The tories tend to pull together, although maybe its more of a pretence? I prefer the arguments and debate about policy - it feels absent from the public eye in the Tory Party - well to me anyway. I suppose there is the ERG lot.

Maybe its the absence of actual debate that has left this vacuum that Johnson has been able to fill (though some of the people in the cabinet one could argue don't seem to have much about them). Either it is this or just government by polls and focus groups or whatever it believes will be popular.

[KernowCanary 214]

On 27/06/2022 at 19:37, Herman said:

Glastonbury always has been political.

All it is, is that these media morons wait on hand and foot dying for someone to say something outrageous, then make a huge deal out of it for the next few weeks.

I wish the media just report on the music, not political statements and “[big name act] joined [big name] on stage to the excitement of the “revellers” to a standing ovation”. That reporting just annoys me and they make a big deal out of anything that happens there. I could go there and write a report and it would be better than any of the cringe-filled tacky rubbish they write. To think that job involves university degrees to be accepted for interview.

I was planning on going a few years back, but it’s just a commercialised media event now, being full of middle class hippies, paying a weeks wages to get covered in mud, listen to a big name act play their hit single and put money in a rich fat-cat-farmers pockets… all while Lauren Laverne on BBC 3 goes “Glaston-BERRY”.

Thank God it’s not an annual event. 

Edited June 29, 2022 by KernowCanary

[horsefly 4,301]

19 hours ago, MooreMarriot said:

Clearly the working classes should know their place , old fashioned  English snobbishness alive and well in the Conservative Party . They should also stay away from art galleries , the theatre , eat a diet of fish & chips and stay out of posh restaurants. 

Turns out that the working classes don't know their place so the government has had no other choice than to make them so impoverished that they couldn't possibly afford to do those things. Indeed, so well is the government plan going, they can't now even afford to buy fish and chips (a clever part of the Brexit strategy). Only the middle-class will now be able to afford to perch themselves at Southwold harbour and reminisce about their youthful days at the seaside, munching on their £15 portion of cod.

[horsefly 4,301]

18 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

Carrie going for the 'It was a work event' ****job.

I don't know what you're suggesting. This was a standard, long established Boris Johnson interview procedure.

[Herman 9,779]

21 minutes ago, horsefly said:

I don't know what you're suggesting. This was a standard, long established Boris Johnson interview procedure.

It is the definitive answer to "how and why is the Culture Secretary" in her job.

[horsefly 4,301]

1 minute ago, Herman said:

It is the definitive answer to "how and why is the Culture Secretary" in her job.

And the Home Secretary. What the fu*ck Gove had to do I really, really don't want to know.