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  1. Creative Midfielder

    OT - EU straw poll...

    That would all sound very reasonable if it wasn't for the fact that only 18 or so months ago Honda invested £2b+ in that plant and said they were there for the long haul. If two years ago Honda management weren't aware that they needed to be developing electric vehicles then they really were asleep at the wheel both literally and metaphorically!! In any case I think you will find it hard to find any of the leading car manufacturers who have been 'moving apace' with electric cars - quite the reverse their rate of progress has been positively glacial over the last 20 years. But perhaps the fall out from the diesel scandal has woken them up to just how poorly positioned they are to meet the customer demand for electric cars which is still very small but is at long last being increasingly recognised as the future. But none of this is new - the diesel scandal broke three and a half years ago, and although you could argue that the full impact on customer sales has only become clear much more recently, the only significant change between the time that Honda made that investment and now is that the Brexit deal they were promised, i.e. frictionless trade with the EU will continue, has not been delivered. In fact no deal has been delivered, deals have been agreed and reneged on, and businesses are running for the hills because no business can plan for the future in a vacuum.
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    OT - EU straw poll...

    Doubtless the recent EU-Japan trade deal is a factor but surely it and Brexit are the two sides of the same coin. At the moment the base in Swindon gives Honda frictionless trade within the whole EU (and beyond), so right now Honda have the best possible deal for manufacturing and selling into Europe and beyond. But that finishes in 6 weeks time (unless any transition/delay is agreed which is looking less likely with every passing day), and then they have a worst deal than if they manufactured in Japan - well actually we won't have a deal at all but when one is eventually made it clearly will be worse than we have now and quite possibly worst that what Japan now has. Fortunately (for the Japanese!) the new deal with the EU gives them a way to mitigate the loss of frictionless trade but, as others have pointed out, by taking production back to Japan they are still on the hook for tariffs for years to come. So I think its a pretty safe assumption that Swindon (the factory, not our favourite poster) would have a much stronger case to stay in business were it not for Brexit. Finally I don't think it is entirely the trade terms that are the issue either. You acknowledge the uncertainty round Brexit as a short term problem but frankly I think it is much more serious than that - IMO the total shambolic way in which we as a country have gone about it has inflicted deep and permanent damage on our reputation in many respects and most certainly on the idea that the UK is a good place to business. That is not going to be fixed in the foreseeable future, however Brexit eventually turns out.
  3. Creative Midfielder

    OT - EU straw poll...

    I suppose it depends on the criteria you use, but most countries around the world still manage to have 'functioning' governments. The UK and Venezuela are the most obvious examples that don't, with Spain trying hard to get into the mix!
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    OT - EU straw poll...

    All of that is spot on IMO, and it's a big hit for the British economy. But the broader picture is even more worrying - the UK economy has benefited hugely from massive overseas investment over the past thirty years or so which has been predicated almost entirely on frictionless trade with the EU. Of course there are reasons why some companies have preferred Britain to other EU countries but the fact remains the investments would not have come had we not been members and will not be coming in the years ahead. Naturally investment, both home grown and foreign, has slowed down considerably as Brexit approaches - this is serious even though the full effects won't be visible for some time. But if the foreigh investement is not just slowed down but starts to be reversed then we are in for a very tough time indeed.
  5. Creative Midfielder

    OT - EU straw poll...

    Well, we have it now and the 3,500 jobs are going, and a year earlier than the original reports - we should have waited for the official statement!
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    OT - EU straw poll...

    So a year ago you were saying there was no way Honda would walk away from their £2.2b investment - now you are saying that they are going to because the EU-trade deal gives them tariff free access to the EU - which they already have for cars produced in Swindon at the moment but won't have in six weeks time. And you think it has nothing to do with Brexit!!!!!!!!!
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    OT - EU straw poll...

    So good, you posted it again??
  8. Creative Midfielder

    OT - EU straw poll...

    Of course industries rise and fall, or change radically, but when they do it naturally and organically then workers and companies have a good chance of adapting and/or changing with them. That isn't what Essjayess said - he said it wasn't an issue when industries were suddenly and totally decimated like Thatcher and the mines, and potentially Brexit and the UK car industry, so what he said was totally wrong. As for your view of the future of emerging technologies then wildly optimistc is the kindest description I can think of. We are still quite creative but if you look the newly emerging technologies you see that whilst we may be involved at the very early stages we don't have either the business culture or environment to successfully take the ideas to market. In some areas such as renewable energy we have a government that is positively hostile and in other areas our businesses are simply too short term in their thinking. Finally re the EU27 look at the new technology corporations and you will see that size and scale is all important - how many Amazons, Googles, Ubers, Airbus/Boeings or for that matter Teslas do you think we will need (or have) in ten years time? When the car market transforms and shrinks exactly as you suggest the EU will have one, possibly two, major car manufacturers. The UK will have precisely zero, and at the moment we are lagging in the key component technologies so we could easily be totally excluded from this particular industry. The Tories have been leading us down a path of a low skill, low wage economy for quite a while now and Brexit is almost certainly going to accelerate the process. Unfortunately I don't think there is any chance of ever repairing the damage (both economic and social) caused by the last ten years of bad governance.
  9. Creative Midfielder

    OT - EU straw poll...

    No, absolutely not but equally we shouldn't just assume that we can decimate an industry, in this case car manufacturing, and in Essjayess's words ' once the thousnds upon thousands of car industry workers are absorbed into other work over the course of years, the car industry here will no longer be an issue, much like the Coal mining industry of yesteryear" That simple and entirely inaccurate assumption would be diastrous both for our economy and the livelihoods/welfare of many thousands of car workers.
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    OT - EU straw poll...

    'Strength to strength' is definitely not a description that I would apply to the British economy but that is entirely tangential to the point I was making. Essjayess was saying that if the British car industry is decimated over the next few years then the workers will simply be absorbed into other areas and it will be a non -issue : 'And if JLR, Ford, Toyota, Nissan and rest of the car industry want to move to, let them. Once the thousnds upon thousands of car industry workers are absorbed into other work over the course of years, the car industry here will no longer be an issue, much like the Coal mining industry of yesteryear.' I was simply pointing out that this is highly unlikely, the coal industry being just one, although a very stark one, of the multiple examples where industries that we used to lead in have simply disappeared - hence our now tiny manufacturing base. The only jobs for unemployed car workers will in warehouses, coffee shops or pizza delivery - of course there will also be plenty of opportunities in agriculture and care work but somehow I don't think they'll be retraining for those.
  11. Creative Midfielder

    Dear Mr Declan Rudd

    I don't see it as sour grapes at all - I think many of us are simply sick to the back teeth of the cynical cheating (whoever it comes from) that we see most weeks. The only difference last night IMO was it was especially unfortunate that an ex-Canary who played really well against us which most of our fans acknowledged, then quite cynically cheated in order to get to try and get one of our players sent off. That in itself is nothing unusual, but its very disappointing when the player is/was one of ours and one which I liked/respected and in any case his actions were utterly unnecessary with the game already won - is trying to cheat so ingrained into some of our professional footballers that they do it at every opportunity even when they have very little if anything to gain from it??
  12. Creative Midfielder

    Dear Mr Declan Rudd

    Well they clearly didn't happen simultaneously, they happened sequentially and there must have been a good minute or two between him punching the ball away and the end of his play acting. Must admit I would have been very surprised if the ref had booked him twice but that doesn't mean he didn't deserve it - there were two clear and distinct yellow card offences (three if you add the time wasting to the simulation although they were simultaneous!). Frankly I think we would get rid of a lot of problems in football if referees would simply apply the rules instead of applying their 'interpretation' of them, not least because of the huge differences in interpretation we see from different referees. Of course the football authorities could also help by making the rules simpler and more enforceable - reverting to the old offside rule and getting rid of the 'active/inactive' nonsense would be a good start!
  13. Creative Midfielder

    Dear Mr Declan Rudd

    True, but he should then have got a second yellow for the cynical and prolonged simulation which followed.
  14. Creative Midfielder

    Dwight Gayle 2 Match Ban For Diving.

    Definitely good news, action on this kind of cheating is long overdue. Must confess though I'm a tad confused on the rules here - this kind of incident where the ref takes no action, or indeed takes the wrong action, are very common and we are frequently told that the FA cannot take action post match on the basis on video evidence if the ref saw the incident and dealt with it (even if wrongly!). In Gayle's case the ref saw it and took (the wrong) action so in what way was this incident different from the many other examples you can see pretty much every week which don't attract any follow up?
  15. Creative Midfielder

    OT - EU straw poll...

    No they're not - if you knew anything about Yorkshire or Wales, for example, you would know that the whole mining industry and complete communities were wrecked in the seventies. Those workers, highly skilled and well paid, were never absorbed into other work, at least not any work remotely comparable and believe me it is still very much an issue - perhaps the very public celebrations in many mining villages when Thatcher died escaped your notice!
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