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  1. Creative Midfielder

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    Exactly, although I don't really think that freedom of movement is the issue. Its true that it facilitates the above to some extent but again the immigration statistics show us that for a good few years non-EU immigration has exceeded EU immigration and that trend is accelerating. So many of these talented and expensively educated people are coming from India and other asian countries whose need to retain their own people is even greater than the Eastern European countries. So I think the problem is us and it will continue to be us whether freedom of movement continues or whether it is eventually halted by Brexit. The only thing that will stop it is the detoriation of our economy - Poland is showing that this trend can and is being reversed.
  2. Creative Midfielder

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    I don't think I suggested in any sense that it was - quite the reverse, I think its scandalous that the Tories have decimated medical training in recent years, plus also driving many UK staff out of the NHS. But in this instance I was highlighting why RTB was being delusional in thinking that EU citizens currently working in this country could easily be replaced with 'locals' when freedom of movement is terminated. The NHS is one well documented example but the same is true in many other professions.
  3. Creative Midfielder

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    Now who's being stupid?? The immigration statistics have been showing this quite clearly. Returning to the NHS specifically try this https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/30/record-number-european-staff-quit-nhs-brexit-eu The reasons are also well documented and clear cut - weak pound has made UK much less attractive to other EU citizens since the vote, along with years of frozen wages in the UK, increased hostility towards EU citizens plus EU rights to live and work not being properly implemented in the UK have created a hostile environment towards EU workers here. Add to that other European countries especially Poland but also others having had much stronger economies than the UK for the last ten years and we are just not magnet for workers that we used to be. Not for workers from the EU anyway but as others have pointed out non-EU immigration into the UK is rising significantly as we struggle to fill all those jobs that you were expecting the 'locals' to fill - of course its not just the NHS, I see exactly the same trends in IT where very well trained EU IT people that used to come over here to work and are increasingly going elsewhere in the EU or to the US. Who knows, even KG's bank manager could end up in Frankfurt, Dublin or Paris as many of his colleagues have done. already
  4. Creative Midfielder

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    Maybe not if they want to, but many of them don't - the UK since the referendum is less attractive for a variety of reasons mostly Brexit related.
  5. Creative Midfielder

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    Of course they will, and so will a large number of very skilled workers in addition to the less skilled. Currently we have approximately 55, 000 EU nationals working in the NHS, approx 10% of doctors and 4% of nurses. They are returning to the EU in increasing numbers and we certainly won't replacing them with 'locals' since there are already around 100,000 unfilled posts in the NHS, including around 10% nursing posts and 8% of other medical staff. We haven't trained enough 'locals' , and the ones we have trained have had many years of pay freeze so they are also leaving in increasing numbers (more than are qualifying in fact). So this is just one of many Brexit myths that falls apart as soon as you take a glance at the real world.
  6. Creative Midfielder

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    Well for Paul M, at least there'll always be the fish!
  7. Creative Midfielder

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    I've yet to hear anything else from Paul. He talks complete nonsense and is remarkably consistent with it, although perhaps repetitive more than consistent. What I don't understand is what he gets out of continually broadcasting his complete cluelessness, and embarassing himself in this way!
  8. Creative Midfielder

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    Don't worry, the last few years have already hammered home the lesson that even when things are so bad you think they can't possibly get worse, something changes and yes - they get worse!! That could definitely happen again but I remain slightly optimistic that giving Boris the spotlight and the top job means he will no longer be able to escape personal responsibility for what he says and does, in the way he has so often in the past.
  9. Creative Midfielder

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    I think they are, aren't they? And not just because of his liability value, he seems to be the man to give us the GE that even TM wasn't daft enough to (again!)
  10. Creative Midfielder

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    Think that would be pointless, the only thing that can stop Boris is Boris himself. But he's done it before, and the way his minders are trying to keep him out of the public eye suggest that they think he's quite likely to shoot himself in the foot again. Personally I'm very conflicted - can't decide whether I'd rather have the short term pleasure of seeing Boris screw up his own career (again) or the longer term and probably deeper satisfaction of seeing him become PM and totally screw up the Tory party for the foreseeable future.
  11. Creative Midfielder

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    I don't think Boris' behaviour is any particular surprise but what I would like to know is why the hell are the police now lying to the press and public??? Just how much lower is this country going to sink before we stop treating deceit and deception in both our politicians and our public services as normal or acceptable.
  12. Creative Midfielder

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    To be fair, although I was 100% for Remain from the start I did feel slightly queasy voting for a campaign headed by Cameron & Osbourne. But I think you're highlighting one of the many reasons why a referendum was an entirely unsuitable mechanism for determining ' the will of the people' as far as our membership of the EU is concerned - stupid idea from the start and three years on its looking even more stupid
  13. Creative Midfielder

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    That's perfectly true but with solar particularly there is a lot of potential for big numbers of small scale installations (i.e. people''s homes) and indeed bigger installations for businesses of all sizes - the roof acreages on the warehouses and other buildings on our industrial estates is absolutely colossal - and these I think are where a bit of subsidy would provide real motivation. Housing associations have a fairly reasonable record of installing renewables partly because for them the case wasn't purely economic - even if the costs/returns don't entirely stack up installing renewables also helps with the HA's fuel poverty agenda for example. Housing Associations do also have some inbuilt economies of scale but, as you say, if the government stepped to execute some big projects across multiple housing associations they could achieve a lot more. Another retrograde step I forgot to mention was that the government has severely watered down the standards for new houses (in fuel efficiency generally) - they could easily re-instate requirements for greater efficiency/generation in new builds - yes it would cost the building companies a bit but not much more than loose change in the overall cost of a new house. So I agree there are other options as well but unfortunately all of these things (including the sensible and cost effective use of incentives) requires some joined up thinking, which seems to be beyond the capabilities of most of our politicians.
  14. Creative Midfielder

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    Well it depends entirely on how much you want to incentivise the market. The fact remains that Labour introduced the subsidies to incentivse the adoption of renewable energy which ten years ago was at an extremely low level. They were very successful in that and both solar and wind generation grew rapidly. Although there have been some improvements in technology most of the increased 'cost efficiency' has not come that way but in the same way as most new industries/technologies - through economies of scale as the industry becomes mainstream and much larger - which it did because of the subsidies. OK so far?? Contrast this with some of the other renewable schemes (i.e. primarily heat technologies heatpumps, biomass etc) which Labour legislated for and were due to start running in summer 2010 - the Tories delayed them for 2 years and then grudgingly started them in a very much watered down form. They have had minimal impact as the 'incentives' simply didn't stack up. So incentivising the market - your suggestion from earlier - can and does work but only if you do it properly. Anyway to return to the success side of the equation - it is perfectly fair to argue that given the success of the original incentives, and the cost efficiencies that had resulted, that the incentives could be scaled back somewhat proportionally to the cost savings to balance keeping a reasonable incentive without costing the taxpayer unreasonable amounts because the whole point of the exercise is to incentivise people and industry to change their behaviour and back in 2011 (and arguably still now) some incentive was still required. But that isn't what the government did at all - in the case of solar they completely slashed the incentive and killed the domestic market at a stroke and pretty much froze the commercial sector as well. Most of the UK fledling solar industry (estimated at 30,000 jobs) was wiped out in 6 months - strangely the press didn't seem to get too excited about that, it's not like it was a steel works or a car factory after all. The domestic market has never recovered and I don't think it ever will - those economies of scale have gone and it is only the commercial sector now where solar is affordable. That market has recovered to some extent but is barely limping along compared to where it should be - the economics can make sense but only to investors with a genuinely long term view and there aren't too many of them in the UK nowadays. Wind, let's not forget that - well the Tories banned on-shore wind farms, then & now the most cost-efficient and biggest producer of renewable energy. All of this would be bad enough on its own but whilst this same government was complaining about the cost of subsidising renewables (which has always been minute in the overall scheme of things) the total hypocrites were increasing subsidies for the traditional generators and promising humongous subsidies for foreign governments to build nuclear generation. As in many other areas of government, the Conservative's energy policy has been inept, deceitful, hypocritical and extremely expensive for the taxpayer. If only they had listened to your advice about incentivising the market for renewables we would now be in a much, much better place
  15. Creative Midfielder

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    At least many of us are aware that there is another side to history, indeed many sides and many facets. You it seems are not.
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