lake district canary 4,830 Posted July 8, 2020 Yes, I know it isn't going to happen, but even if we pick up enough points to get above Bn'mth, it will give some satisfaction. Games to play - Watford fixtures - Newcastle home, West Ham away, Man City home, Arsenal away On 31 points - I'll give them one point against Newcastle. 32 total. Villa fixtures - Crystal Palace home, Everton away, Arsenal home, West Ham away. Maybe three points against Crystal Palace 30 points total Bournmouth fixtures - Leicester home, Man City away, Southampton home, Everton away. No easy ones there, maybe not even one point 27 points total Norwich - West Ham home, Chelsea away, Burnley home, Man City away. Beat West Ham, Burnley, Chelsea, Man City 33 total Positions end of season - 17. Norwich 33 -------------------------------------- 18. Watford 32 19. Villa 30 20. Bournemouth 27 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Wynless Jones 161 Posted July 9, 2020 I'll have a cup of what you're drinking please.... Although can you imagine the socially distanced scenes 🥳............... 🥳............... 🥳............. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lincsy88 106 Posted July 9, 2020 Or, we show the same performance we have in the rest of the games since lockdown lose 2-0 to the spammers and are relegation is confirmed, I like your optimism Lakey but I know which one I would bet on 😂 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,830 Posted July 9, 2020 No, it's not optimism this time, I know it isn't going to happen, but no harm in dreaming it! I'd be happy just to beat West Ham and keep them down near the bottom three. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 8,034 Posted July 9, 2020 There is a Universe where this will happen. Sadly, not in ours. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted July 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Michael Wynless Jones said: I'll have a cup of what you're drinking please.... Although can you imagine the socially distanced scenes 🥳............... 🥳............... 🥳............. 'Been watching City v Newcastle, then Brighton v Liverpool. Now off to bed, up at 5 for work. Enjoy the rest of your evenings' What happened, couldn't you get the lorry started - or was the A11 too busy ?.............🤭 ps I shall avoid suggesting how you can manually start a lorry engine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,830 Posted July 9, 2020 Looking at those fixtures again I don't think my points tally for the rest of the teams is far wrong and 33 points might have been enough for us. Such a shame we didn't just manage to pick up a few more points along the way to enable us to get there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,572 Posted July 9, 2020 9 hours ago, lake district canary said: Yes, I know it isn't going to happen, but even if we pick up enough points to get above Bn'mth, it will give some satisfaction. Games to play - Watford fixtures - Newcastle home, West Ham away, Man City home, Arsenal away On 31 points - I'll give them one point against Newcastle. 32 total. Villa fixtures - Crystal Palace home, Everton away, Arsenal home, West Ham away. Maybe three points against Crystal Palace 30 points total Bournmouth fixtures - Leicester home, Man City away, Southampton home, Everton away. No easy ones there, maybe not even one point 27 points total Norwich - West Ham home, Chelsea away, Burnley home, Man City away. Beat West Ham, Burnley, Chelsea, Man City 33 total Positions end of season - 17. Norwich 33 -------------------------------------- 18. Watford 32 19. Villa 30 20. Bournemouth 27 "a wob a bob bob?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
......and Smith must score. 1,596 Posted July 9, 2020 13 minutes ago, lake district canary said: No, it's not optimism this time, I know it isn't going to happen, but no harm in dreaming it! I'd be happy just to beat West Ham and keep them down near the bottom three. Much as I dislike West Ham and the awful Karen Brady surely losing to the Hammerswould be the best scenario as it’s another nail in Villa’s coffin ? They appear screwed by the FFP rules and I would think less of a threat of an immediate return to the PL. Anyway just for a bit of pride and a few extra bob in the bank it would be nice to finish above rock bottom. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,717 Posted July 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, ......and Smith must score. said: They appear screwed by the FFP rules I read something the other day that suggested that because of the way they cooked the books they might get away with it. Would still have problems though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 5,008 Posted July 9, 2020 And there lays the frustration. Pre lockdown we had an outside but achievable chance of avoiding the drop, but generally the 6 point gap was viewed as too much. As it happens the others in the relegation zone have actually done as much as they can to help us, but since the restart we have been diabolical. We came out a different team post lockdown, I don't know why? No near, so far. We had a great opportunity but we blew it. Onwards and upwards next season OTBC 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Wynless Jones 161 Posted July 9, 2020 37 minutes ago, Bill said: 'Been watching City v Newcastle, then Brighton v Liverpool. Now off to bed, up at 5 for work. Enjoy the rest of your evenings' What happened, couldn't you get the lorry started - or was the A11 too busy ?.............🤭 ps I shall avoid suggesting how you can manually start a lorry engine Was at the depot at time of posting, now in a layby on the A47 near Wisbech, but I can give you access to my tracker if you're that concerned with my wellbeing 😉🤷♂️😂 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 4,682 Posted July 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, Michael Wynless Jones said: Was at the depot at time of posting, now in a layby on the A47 near Wisbech, but I can give you access to my tracker if you're that concerned with my wellbeing 😉🤷♂️😂 Pop into the Coronation cafe for breakfast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 10,763 Posted July 9, 2020 Staying up up up 🎶 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
It's Character Forming 1,204 Posted July 9, 2020 1 hour ago, lake district canary said: Looking at those fixtures again I don't think my points tally for the rest of the teams is far wrong and 33 points might have been enough for us. Such a shame we didn't just manage to pick up a few more points along the way to enable us to get there. I completely agree with you Lakey. It was fully possible for us to get up to 33-35 points which will likely be enough to survive, and it wouldn't have been a miracle by any stretch. We've had perfectly winnable games. We've simply been poor ever since lockdown and have never had a game where as a viewer you felt "we should be winning this" - unlike quite a few games pre-lockdown. The biggest frustration for me this season is we've never really recaptured the quality of play we showed last season. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 4,682 Posted July 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, It's Character Forming said: I completely agree with you Lakey. It was fully possible for us to get up to 33-35 points which will likely be enough to survive, and it wouldn't have been a miracle by any stretch. We've had perfectly winnable games. We've simply been poor ever since lockdown and have never had a game where as a viewer you felt "we should be winning this" - unlike quite a few games pre-lockdown. The biggest frustration for me this season is we've never really recaptured the quality of play we showed last season. Or what we showed in the first 2 months this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Making Plans 957 Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Capt. Pants said: We came out a different team post lockdown, I don't know why? Lack of preparation, planning, fitness and intent. Edited July 9, 2020 by Making Plans 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Angry 2,017 Posted July 9, 2020 2 hours ago, It's Character Forming said: I completely agree with you Lakey. It was fully possible for us to get up to 33-35 points which will likely be enough to survive, and it wouldn't have been a miracle by any stretch. We've had perfectly winnable games. We've simply been poor ever since lockdown and have never had a game where as a viewer you felt "we should be winning this" - unlike quite a few games pre-lockdown. The biggest frustration for me this season is we've never really recaptured the quality of play we showed last season. All teams down at the bottom have also struggled since the restart. The likelihood is that if coronavirus had not appeared they would all have performed better then they have done, so we would still be in the bottom 3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonyc 6,145 Posted July 9, 2020 The only time since lockdown was released since I felt we looked remotely competitive or dangerous was in the most recent match against Watford. It was more our type of play than the other 4 games. In a strange way I feel we deserve relegation based on what I've seen which is better than feeling robbed because of ill fortune or some shocking mistake by a referee. It is what we are. Before lockdown with 9 games I didn't see how 12 points was ridiculous out of 27 and even felt we might scrape to 34 or 35 (which looking at the other teams I felt was enough). My confidence surely was not misplaced either at the end of last season, where our football and will to win was outstanding? It's been a big let down but it has served to show me, in the cold light of day, I actually know nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
......and Smith must score. 1,596 Posted July 9, 2020 5 hours ago, lake district canary said: Looking at those fixtures again I don't think my points tally for the rest of the teams is far wrong and 33 points might have been enough for us. Such a shame we didn't just manage to pick up a few more points along the way to enable us to get there. This is exactly the sort of thing that justifies people in calling you out. On the one hand you’re saying that you think you’re not far wrong in forecasting other teams final point totals then on the other you’re forever telling us to be positive and anything can happen. How is it then that with positive thinking we can get the points but teams around us somehow cannot ? Completely contradictory isn’t it ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,962 Posted July 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, ......and Smith must score. said: This is exactly the sort of thing that justifies people in calling you out. On the one hand you’re saying that you think you’re not far wrong in forecasting other teams final point totals then on the other you’re forever telling us to be positive and anything can happen. How is it then that with positive thinking we can get the points but teams around us somehow cannot ? Completely contradictory isn’t it ? I agree Lakey is a bit over the top, but while there’s a difference between being realistic and hoping for the best, they’re not complete contradictory. I know we’re down, but if we beat Wet Spam there will still be a tiny part of me that thinks “if we could win the rest of our games...”. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgncfc 1,330 Posted July 9, 2020 We have desperately missed home advantage. The crowd would have made a massive difference in the Southampton, Everton and Brighton games. Without it, the better players usually come out on top - which is why the bottom clubs have done so badly. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,902 Posted July 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, ......and Smith must score. said: This is exactly the sort of thing that justifies people in calling you out. On the one hand you’re saying that you think you’re not far wrong in forecasting other teams final point totals then on the other you’re forever telling us to be positive and anything can happen. How is it then that with positive thinking we can get the points but teams around us somehow cannot ? Completely contradictory isn’t it ? No. Because positive thinking for your own team is possible without being as positive thinking about other teams. There's nothing to gain from calling relegation before it happens. There's no prize for being the first to do it. Until/unless relegation is confirmed Lakey is right to say being positive could have a positive effect. Anyway, you guys don't really accept relegation until it happens. I've lost count of the must win games you've flagged up and the melt downs afterwards when you decided it was all over. If relegation happens it will only happen once. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
......and Smith must score. 1,596 Posted July 9, 2020 18 minutes ago, nutty nigel said: No. Because positive thinking for your own team is possible without being as positive thinking about other teams. There's nothing to gain from calling relegation before it happens. There's no prize for being the first to do it. Until/unless relegation is confirmed Lakey is right to say being positive could have a positive effect. Anyway, you guys don't really accept relegation until it happens. I've lost count of the must win games you've flagged up and the melt downs afterwards when you decided it was all over. If relegation happens it will only happen once. I think you misunderstood Nutty. Lakey always bangs on about ‘ anything can happen ‘ so the same must apply to all the other teams too. Positivity is not the argument here. Why does Lakey think probability only applies to other teams but Norwich are somehow so ‘ special ‘ that it doesn’t apply to them ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,830 Posted July 9, 2020 1 minute ago, ......and Smith must score. said: This is exactly the sort of thing that justifies people in calling you out. On the one hand you’re saying that you think you’re not far wrong in forecasting other teams final point totals then on the other you’re forever telling us to be positive and anything can happen. How is it then that with positive thinking we can get the points but teams around us somehow cannot ? Completely contradictory isn’t it ? Aything CAN happen, good or bad to NCFC or anyone else. My thoughts that those above us won't do well is based as much on wishful thinking as anything else, but then the way they have been playing, they don't look as if they are going to get many points. My message (if I have one) isn't just "be positive", although it's much better to be positive than negative, it's to "be open to all possibilities" - good or bad. Keep an open mind and you never know. What constantly amazes me that people make up their minds exactly what is going to happen well in advance, even though there are so many variables and unknowns. I sit here and think - we're not going to win the last four games, for sure - but then am I closing my mind to the possibilities? I try not to look at the past as a guide, I try not to look at the future simply because it is unknown. What I do know is football is a strange old game and anything can happen at any time. I look at Leeds and think, no, they are nowhere near promoted yet (which is what I thought about us last season) and I look at Brentford and I think they are more likely to do it. So it's a mixed situation - some positive, some negative - but I also know Leeds are in a better position and Brentford are further back, so the logic does not follow the thought processes.....but then that is the point - there is more to football than logic/stats/certainties......and that is why we love it so much. I hope Leeds don't get promoted, I hope Brentford do, so that colours my thinking. Maybe that is why I appear so positive - because I hope so much that NCFC will do well. Maybe I'm not typical, I don't know, but for me, hope is better than expectation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,902 Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, ......and Smith must score. said: I think you misunderstood Nutty. Lakey always bangs on about ‘ anything can happen ‘ so the same must apply to all the other teams too. Positivity is not the argument here. Why does Lakey think probability only applies to other teams but Norwich are somehow so ‘ special ‘ that it doesn’t apply to them ? Because Norwich are his team. On Rays Funds we send PUPpower to a team we want to score. Sending PUPpower to other teams may have a positive influence but we have no interest in doing it. Norwich City are so 'special'. To believe they are not brings any support to being passive at best. Edited July 9, 2020 by nutty nigel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Graham Paddons Beard 2,791 Posted July 9, 2020 8 hours ago, FenwayFrank said: I read something the other day that suggested that because of the way they cooked the books they might get away with it. Would still have problems though Everyone will blame Covid for their losses . FFP will be a busted flush . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
......and Smith must score. 1,596 Posted July 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, nutty nigel said: Because Norwich are his team. On Rays Funds we send PUPpower to a team we want to score. Sending PUPpower to other teams may have a positive influence but we have no interest in doing it. Norwich City are so 'special'. To believe they are not brings any support to being passive at best. As you know Norwich are my team too. I want them to do well as do most supporters ranging from the ' Percy Positives ' to the 'Negative Nancys ' and all combinations in between. Some of us are realistic others unrealistic in our expectations but we're all biased at least to some extent toward our own. That means we often can't see the wood for the trees but like most things in life it all comes out in the wash eventually. It's only football after all.....😉 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,902 Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ......and Smith must score. said: As you know Norwich are my team too. I want them to do well as do most supporters ranging from the ' Percy Positives ' to the 'Negative Nancys ' and all combinations in between. Some of us are realistic others unrealistic in our expectations but we're all biased at least to some extent toward our own. That means we often can't see the wood for the trees but like most things in life it all comes out in the wash eventually. It's only football after all.....😉 You did it for me by claiming an opinion can be more or less realistic. That perceived realism is only another part of your opinion. Like writing it underlined in bold font. 🙃 BTW I wasn't suggesting that positive Lakey is a better fan than negative Smiffy. You asked why Lakey viewed Norwich as being so 'special'. Edited July 9, 2020 by nutty nigel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
