Yellow Fever 3,785 Posted March 14, 2020 I can't see an enlarged EPL. Why because who would be promoted ? We all hear of Leeds and West Brom but they aren't home and dry (already beyond catching) in the Chumps. No. All leagues null and void. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JF 694 Posted March 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Yellow Fever said: I can't see an enlarged EPL. Why because who would be promoted ? We all hear of Leeds and West Brom but they aren't home and dry (already beyond catching) in the Chumps. No. All leagues null and void. Exactly this. Any talk of promoting Leeds and West Brom is ludicrous when they haven’t earned that right throughout a completed season. Nothing has been completed and many variables can still take place. Null and Void is the only option if the season can’t be completed imo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,395 Posted March 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, Darth Canary1 said: I thought the bottom team got like a 100 million or something stupid. We have had a year of paying our players premier league wages albeit likely low wages in comparison to everyone else. We will get that in any event or the pro rata amount. What is being discussed is the prize money for position. IMO this money should be used to help the struggling teams in the lower divisions(excluding 1p5wich of course) 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,502 Posted March 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, JF said: Exactly this. Any talk of promoting Leeds and West Brom is ludicrous when they haven’t earned that right throughout a completed season. Nothing has been completed and many variables can still take place. Null and Void is the only option if the season can’t be completed imo But who would object? Teams left in the Champs. wouldn't be competing against WBA & Leeds, so their chance of automatic promotion would most likely improve. Who else would object? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,395 Posted March 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, ron obvious said: But who would object? Teams left in the Champs. wouldn't be competing against WBA & Leeds, so their chance of automatic promotion would most likely improve. Who else would object? It won't be up to them and they will have no say in it. This would need the Premier League to agree, which seems improbable to say the least. Voiding seems like a more logical idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,300 Posted March 14, 2020 But if no one is relegated does that mean more teams promoted up in each EFL? Otherwise the championship will be down two teams? So would Oxford & Pompey go up with Covvy and Rotherham? With five teams relegated the following season too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JF 694 Posted March 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, ron obvious said: But who would object? Teams left in the Champs. wouldn't be competing against WBA & Leeds, so their chance of automatic promotion would most likely improve. Who else would object? Every team in the PL that wouldn’t want increased amount of fixtures and wouldn’t want to lose PL money by having to share it with two extra teams. All the championship teams down to a position where they could mathematically catch them. Fulham are 6 points behind with 6 games to play and one of those is against West Brom. If the season can’t be completed then it gets cancelled imo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,334 Posted March 14, 2020 Im of the opinion that nul and void is the only fair decision, id like to think id feel that way even if we were in Liverpools position, I probably wouldnt as self interest is a fairly understandable feeling, but and this is a very big but , its is the only fair solution once you remove self interest. How we do that is anyones guess as you have us saying yes, void and liverpool saying no, we should be crowned Champions. As with most wise decisions, you remove the two extreme polar opinions completely and listen to the detached, the unaffected, the ambivalent. That way common sense prevails. For the sake of giving credit where its due, Liverpools achievement so far this season should be recognised in some way...a one off Trophy perhaps ,but Season 2019/20 should be void.We start afresh when safe to do so . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JF 694 Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said: Im of the opinion that nul and void is the only fair decision, id like to think id feel that way even if we were in Liverpools position, I probably wouldnt as self interest is a fairly understandable feeling, but and this is a very big but , its is the only fair solution once you remove self interest. How we do that is anyones guess as you have us saying yes, void and liverpool saying no, we should be crowned Champions. As with most wise decisions, you remove the two extreme polar opinions completely and listen to the detached, the unaffected, the ambivalent. That way common sense prevails. For the sake of giving credit where its due, Liverpools achievement so far this season should be recognised in some way...a one off Trophy perhaps ,but Season 2019/20 should be void.We start afresh when safe to do so . Exactly. And also maybe Leeds achievements this season should be recognised. They had a fantastic season and looked certain to be prompted only to have it snatched away from them. We’ll call it the de ja vue cup Edited March 14, 2020 by JF 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted March 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Pugin said: Just a couple of points: First, we are not going to see any disputes regarding a voided season being resolved in the High Court. The correct forum for any such dispute would be the Court of Arbitration for Sports (CAS). The CAS exists for resolution of sports-related disputes. It is designed to be more conciliatory / less adversarial, cheaper and quicker than recourse through the legal system. Not so, as dispotes would be commercial not about interpretation of laws and regulation within a particular sport. What will be of concern here is sponsorship deals, shareholder rights within the PL, player contracts, TV rights etc To void the seasons and 'start again' would seem the most likely course. One which removes an cry of unfair or bias. But the logic is that it was someething outside of anyone's hands (responsibility) so no one should be treated differently. And as far as PL prize money perhaps some should be used to help out lower league clubs as the funds needed there are peanuts to what sloshes about in the PL And I'm sure City fans would be more than willing to assist our impoverished neighbours - maybe a blanket collection in our cup game with Man Utd..... next Sunday 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted March 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, JF said: Exactly. And also maybe Leeds achievements this season should be recognised. They had a fantastic season and looked certain to be prompted only to have it snatched away from them. We’ll call it the de ja vue cup oh dear Liverpool spending the next 45 years as Waccoe II Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonyc 5,519 Posted March 14, 2020 WACCOC We Are Champions, Champions Of the Championship Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pugin 601 Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bill said: Not so, as dispotes would be commercial not about interpretation of laws and regulation within a particular sport. What will be of concern here is sponsorship deals, shareholder rights within the PL, player contracts, TV rights etc To void the seasons and 'start again' would seem the most likely course. One which removes an cry of unfair or bias. But the logic is that it was someething outside of anyone's hands (responsibility) so no one should be treated differently. And as far as PL prize money perhaps some should be used to help out lower league clubs as the funds needed there are peanuts to what sloshes about in the PL And I'm sure City fans would be more than willing to assist our impoverished neighbours - maybe a blanket collection in our cup game with Man Utd..... next Sunday No mate, 'wronged' parties would be able to bring separate actions against those that they thought had failed to satisfy contractual terms for as long as statute allows, but the big question of voiding the league programme will be a matter for CAS if it cannot be agreed without arbitration. edit - but of course there is no need to think that the EPL clubs cannot agree a solution without arbitration Edited March 14, 2020 by Pugin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Carrow 376 Posted March 14, 2020 1 hour ago, wcorkcanary said: Im of the opinion that nul and void is the only fair decision, id like to think id feel that way even if we were in Liverpools position, I probably wouldnt as self interest is a fairly understandable feeling, but and this is a very big but , its is the only fair solution once you remove self interest. How we do that is anyones guess as you have us saying yes, void and liverpool saying no, we should be crowned Champions. As with most wise decisions, you remove the two extreme polar opinions completely and listen to the detached, the unaffected, the ambivalent. That way common sense prevails. For the sake of giving credit where its due, Liverpools achievement so far this season should be recognised in some way...a one off Trophy perhaps ,but Season 2019/20 should be void.We start afresh when safe to do so . "And we hereby announce that the mighty Liverpool FC have won the inaugural YDWTPL (you didn't win the Premier League) cup......" 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,334 Posted March 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mr.Carrow said: "And we hereby announce that the mighty Liverpool FC have won the inaugural YDWTPL (you didn't win the Premier League) cup......" Exactly!!😂 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary dwarf 221 Posted March 14, 2020 If the season is declared null and void ,poor ipswitch town might take legal action and say they had a realistic chance of automatic promotion lol . 😄 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rock The Boat 1,332 Posted March 14, 2020 Well I'm just casting my mind back to all those years ago when we were barred from taking up our European spot when English clubs were banned because of the action of Liverpool fans and I'm thinking about the fairness of that and how karma can be a ****. Liverpool will just have to suck it up the same as we had to. 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,785 Posted March 14, 2020 3 hours ago, sonyc said: WACCOC We Are Champions, Champions Of the Championship If the season is null and void we'll still be the Championship champions going into the following season.... Not Leeds 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,821 Posted March 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said: If the season is null and void we'll still be the Championship champions going into the following season.... Not Leeds 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅 I hadn't thought of that. Of course I wouldn't take every opportunity to point that out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted March 14, 2020 It will be interesting to see the statement the Premier League come out with from their meeting on Thursday ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted March 15, 2020 If this season is voided and heaven forbid we were relegated next season, would we then qualify for 3 years of parachute payments and not just 2 🙂 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 4,921 Posted March 15, 2020 4 hours ago, Surfer said: If this season is voided and heaven forbid we were relegated next season, would we then qualify for 3 years of parachute payments and not just 2 🙂 No. I would think that a void season means it's treated as if it never happened. Therefore next season will be our first in the Premier League for parachute purposes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Greenthumb 749 Posted March 15, 2020 14 hours ago, Indy said: But if no one is relegated does that mean more teams promoted up in each EFL? Otherwise the championship will be down two teams? So would Oxford & Pompey go up with Covvy and Rotherham? With five teams relegated the following season too? If two go up to the prem and zero were relegated, surely it would only require two teams to go up from league one to replace who has left the champs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hillhead 114 Posted March 15, 2020 3 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said: No. I would think that a void season means it's treated as if it never happened. Therefore next season will be our first in the Premier League for parachute purposes In which case do the likes of Sunderland get another year of PP while the others get another year added to theirs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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