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Has The Time Now Come To Follow This Model.

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Whilst i have high admiration of the work carried out by David McNally we are to be debt free next season with hopefully a big pile of dosh at our disposal to move onwards and upwards has he now served his purpose at Carrow Road ? Is his job complete in so much as turning around our fortunes and pointing the ship in the right direction ? He earns around £1 million a year but can we justify this continued expense.It would appear that since the departure of Simon Clegg the Binners have given two directors a more hands on role to run the club on a day to day basis. Surely this could be done here as we have two shrewd successful businessmen in Alan Bokett and Michael Foulger.As i say Mr McNally has done a fantastic job but much like Lambert leaving there will be life at Norwich City after he is gone. We are now on a sound footing and saving a £1 million would enable it to be added to the player budget. I do however appreciate that Twitter would be the loser in all this if Mr McNally leaves.

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You can give directors some specific responsibilities for looking at various areas of day to to running of the club but to think that this is a substitute for the leadership of strong and capable CEO is nieve. If the scummers stick to this model their demise will be even more rapid rapid than it is at the moment. I encourage them to continue but not for us!

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I would be very careful what you wish for. I would want McNally at the helm for some time to come. Yes the ''other two'' are very competent  and good at what they do, but McNally''s job, i would wager, is quite different to the others.

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McNally was brought in after the board of directors admitted that none of them really understood football.

£1m a year for somebody that understands football seems like good value to me. McNally is an essential ingredient in my opinion.

Let''s be a bit more honest about Clegg and Ipswich though, he has gone because Ipswich are skint not because they are shrewd innovators with a unique theory on business hierarchy.

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[quote user="singupcarrowroad"]McNally was brought in after the board of directors admitted that none of them really understood football.

£1m a year for somebody that understands football seems like good value to me. McNally is an essential ingredient in my opinion.

Let''s be a bit more honest about Clegg and Ipswich though, he has gone because Ipswich are skint not because they are shrewd innovators with a unique theory on business hierarchy.[/quote]

 

Ditto

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You are a very naughty man Mr Til, making fun of our impoverished neighbourshed

 

but I did laugh at this bit -

 

"“We have a glorious history that we cherish"

 

Whereas Mr McCarthy was rather dismissive of the paupers endless bleats about such matters -

 

“But nobody really talks about me at Man City or at Celtic when they beat Barcelona the other day. Nobody’s really bothered about that, nobody talks about me in Lyon when I played, nobody talks about me with the Republic of Ireland if they get to the World Cup quarter-finals again."

 

 

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I am assuming the OP''s tongue was firmly in his cheek. 

 

Besides, there is currently nothing about the "Ipswich model" that I would wish us to follow. Nothing at all. 

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[quote user="singupcarrowroad"]McNally was brought in after the board of directors admitted that none of them really understood football.

£1m a year for somebody that understands football seems like good value to me. McNally is an essential ingredient in my opinion. .......[/quote]Agree totally. Leave well alone.£1m a year is a small price to pay for someone with MrMc''s savvy

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[quote user="TIL 1010"]Surely this could be done here as we have two shrewd successful businessmen in Alan Bokett and Michael Foulger.[/quote]Foulger and Bowkett always seem involved so why not give the job to Stephan Phillips and Stephen Fry? They never seem to do much! Failing that, what about the aforementioned Simon Clegg, his oft stated ambition was to be in the Premier League and he would be a much cheaper option...

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I lke their idea of providing more seats for their fans, currently two seats for every fan

 

Not sure if that would be seen as efficient, but they have at least stuck with it by freeing up seats in the boardroom

 

 

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Yes I too am sure the OP''s tongue is firmly in check, but its a good way to start a general discussion about what the alternatives are when the day does come when David McNally leaves the club.

First of all, so much has gone wrong at Ipswich over recent years that for them any change was worth taking a risk on, but we are now so different to them that we cannot be compared, at least for now or the next year or so....we really have nothing to learn from them, other than how not to do it.

When looking at Norwich City as a business and what the club apparently pay David McNally, then I am of the view that compared to other sized businesses in other sectors he is particularly well rewarded. BUT, he has undoubtedly done a great job, we are talking about a very different kind of business that offers big challenges to to the man at the top and he is a specialist in his field no doubt.....so worth every penny when you see what he has delivered along with the supporting cast at Carrow Road. I would also say that his job is not yet done at the club, its still very much a work in progress.

So, for me, the model going forward is just the same as the way we are doing it now, that is with or without the impressive David McNally and I would expect that when the day comes when he does leave the club, the club seek out another football industry specialist like, hopefully better than him, quality doesnt come cheap though.  This is not a job for anyone without real experience to take on, not if we are to continue the progress...OTBC  

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[quote user="crabbycanary"]

I would be very careful what you wish for. I would want McNally at the helm for some time to come. Yes the ''other two'' are very competent  and good at what they do, but McNally''s job, i would wager, is quite different to the others.

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The best costs money.

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[quote user="singupcarrowroad"]McNally was brought in after the board of directors admitted that none of them really understood football. [/quote]

 

I take it you have a source for this claim?

 

 

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Im gonna take this as a wind up thread !

I for one hope he is here for some time to come.

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It''s amusing what can go hrough one''s mind when reading the thoughts of others. My immediate thought process was, "Oh, NCISA must be making a comeback." That can''t be right, can it? [;)]

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When I read this, I thought what a great wind up - although a bit unfair on the "fretters" and "worriers".

 

Then I read it again and thought - no, surely not, he can''t be serious can he, this is a wind up right?

 

Then I read it again and feel that his tongue is nowhere near his cheek, let alone fairly well wedged in - but then the cheek & tongue friendship came back into play - especially when he mentions Alan Bokett (sic) and Michael Foulger having a more hands on role - I mean chairmen don''t really do anything do they, nor owners of successful businesses - so why not get these folk to weigh in and roll their sleeves up?

 

But then I have this nagging feeling in the back of my mind that he is being serious!

And, just on the off chance that he is serious, then let me try and put this to him in words no greater than one syllable:

 "The val-ue that David McNally brings to the club far out-weighs the cost of £1m per year"

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[quote user="nutty nigel"]

[quote user="singupcarrowroad"]McNally was brought in after the board of directors admitted that none of them really understood football. [/quote]

 

I take it you have a source for this claim?

 

 

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Isn''t Delia reported to have said it?

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[quote user="drurys testamonials V 15"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

[quote user="singupcarrowroad"]McNally was brought in after the board of directors admitted that none of them really understood football. [/quote]

 

I take it you have a source for this claim?

 

 

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Isn''t Delia reported to have said it?

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If I knew that I wouldn''t have asked. Did she?

 

 

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Are you going to ask for a source every time I say something Nigel?

What do you want exactly? A name and date? A web link? A voice recording?

Delia said it, she said that before the appointment of McNally the board didn''t really have anybody with great football knowledge and experience.

I''m not going to mess around trying to find references to it, not least because Archant don''t keep articles that long, much to my constant annoyance.

I can''t remember when or where she said it, but she said it. I will write everything down in a moleskin notebook, just as soon as I get paid to do so.

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I''m interested because I didn''t remember her saying it. If you heard her say it then I''m not going to call you a liar am I? I''m just interested because the myths that fill this messageboard folklore often have no basis at all. Now, I don''t need a link, if you tell me when she said it I''ll find the link for myself. There you go. What could be faier than that[:^)]

 

 

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She definitely said this one. I doubt my quote was literal, but she made reference at some stage in 2009 or 2010 to their being a lack of football knowledge in the boardroom before McNally''s appointment.

I read most of my Norwich related stuff in Archant publications, unfortunately they don''t appear to keep anything past 18 to 24 months, sometimes an even shorter time. That makes reference extremely difficult.

I can''t even find reference to her revealing that she had consulted Martin O''Neill before appointing McNally, and I can clearly remember her saying that too.

Unfortunately ''sources'' get confined to the dustbin when it comes to Norwich related stuff.

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Well.. I''ll let you know if I find it. Norwich City history is sparse on the internet. You''ll soon be as proficient as Bly[;)]

 

 

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Unfortunately this is not the first time you have made quite an extraordinary claim then when questioned try to deflect attention away by engaging in some sub Monthy Python sketch type behaviour.

 

Best to check your facts first as your previous claim was not so much unverifiable but untrue ie McNally supposed statement at the AGM. That inaccuracy was further compounded by your having virtually no knowledge of the cost, ownership or agreed returns on the hotel in question - and even admitting so, when having based an argument on those points.

 

I don''t think there is anything wrong with being asked to provide a point of reference when you are making quite a contentious claim - there is something wrong about getting all ar sey with the person who is asking for that reference.

 

I don''t believe you are putting stuff up maliciously, however I would suggest that out of curtesy to the rest of us and to retain credibility within the thread you check stuff first.

 

 

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