LABOUR PLEDGE ON CLUB OWNERSHIP

[PurpleCanary 6,371]

As if the result of the next general election was not important enough anyway:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/mar/28/government-plan-football-clubs-fans

[First Wizard 0]

Oh like their pledge on a referendum you mean?[:|]

[Beauseant 0]

[quote user="PurpleCanary"]As if the result of the next general election was not important enough anyway: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/mar/28/government-plan-football-clubs-fans 

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Very interesting article Purple. However SamCam and Dave are having an ickle baby so the election''s in the bag for the Tories. After all, who needs policies when you have a yummy mummy and a pseudo prole?

[Mr.Carrow 394]

Excellent Beau [:D]

[PurpleCanary 6,371]

Dear me, Beau. So young and already so cynical!

I must say, though, I can hardly see cuddly Dave echoing this idea. A surefire way to lose the support of the M*rd*ch empire.

And, as First Whatsit has indicated, this is only an election pledge. And such things often fall by the wayside.

But still interesting. Possibly a sign of the direction in which things will move in the future, albeit slowly and not so far.

[Bury Yellow 2]

Ah! The Guardian eh? The Pravda of Socialist Britain.

The sooner Brown the liar and goon is kicked out the better.

Lambert for PM

..... and now a look at the weather

[paul moy 235]

[quote user="First Wizard"]Oh like their pledge on a referendum you mean?[:|][/quote]

... and the pledge on being ''Whiter than White'' and never being as sleazy as the Tories  etc etc etc ......  [:)]

[Ivana_rubyatitz 6]

A fart in a hurricane has greater longevity than an election pledge...

[The Butler 0]

I AM GLAD I AM BRITISH,
 I AM GLAD I AM FREE.
 BUT I WISH I WERE A DOG
 AND BROWN WAS A TREE.

[Barclay_Boy 0]

Never, Ever, Blue!

[NorwichCasual 0]

Drivvel again from the guardian. The only people fooled by that will be the great unwashed of elland road

[emmaroyds 0]

Politicians do this kind of think at elections time.

Vote for me and I`ll make sure you get a by-pass.

Vote for me and I`ll make you all very rich.

The reality of it is they won`t do anything. I was promised a referendum on the European Union, did I get one? No so they can sod off they`re not getting my vote.

[PurpleCanary 6,371]

[quote user="NorwichCasual"]Drivvel again from the guardian. The only people fooled by that will be the great unwashed of elland road[/quote]It is standard procedure for political parties to leak manifesto pledges ahead of an election. I''m not clear why you think The Guardian has got this one wrong.

[paul moy 235]

[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="NorwichCasual"]Drivvel again from the guardian. The only people fooled by that will be the great unwashed of elland road[/quote]

It is standard procedure for political parties to leak manifesto pledges ahead of an election. I''m not clear why you think The Guardian has got this one wrong.
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The referendum on the Lisbon Treaty was also a manifesto pledge. Nobody should believe any pledge ever again from those barefaced liars.   

[Mister Chops 7]

[quote user="paul moy"]

[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="NorwichCasual"]Drivvel again from the guardian. The only people fooled by that will be the great unwashed of elland road[/quote]It is standard procedure for political parties to leak manifesto pledges ahead of an election. I''m not clear why you think The Guardian has got this one wrong.[/quote]

The referendum on the Lisbon Treaty was also a manifesto pledge. Nobody should believe any pledge ever again from those barefaced liars.   

[/quote]Though to be fair, in 1992 Major''s Conservative Party promised

they would not

raise taxes, and then went on to raise

them by the largest

amount in peacetime history starting in the first Budget after the

election.  It''s not just the socialists, it''s the fat cats too.

[paul moy 235]

[quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="paul moy"]

[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="NorwichCasual"]Drivvel again from the guardian. The only people fooled by that will be the great unwashed of elland road[/quote]

It is standard procedure for political parties to leak manifesto pledges ahead of an election. I''m not clear why you think The Guardian has got this one wrong.
[/quote]

The referendum on the Lisbon Treaty was also a manifesto pledge. Nobody should believe any pledge ever again from those barefaced liars.   

[/quote]

Though to be fair, in 1992 Major''s Conservative Party promised they would not raise taxes, and then went on to raise them by the largest amount in peacetime history starting in the first Budget after the election.  It''s not just the socialists, it''s the fat cats too.

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Yes, but that was due to unforeseen circumstances of Poll Tax riots and ejection from the ERM, which meant that a black hole had to be filled. There were no unforeseen circumstances involved with the Lisbon Treaty, just a determination that we adopt it by whatever means. I remember also Brown''s pledge of no return to boom and bust, which even an idiot should know is unachievable, but so many believed it credible. [:D] 

[Mister Chops 7]

Though you could argue the "boom and bust" was largely due to the abuse of free market principles in the private sector, primarily financial institutions, which I doubt the Tories would have opposed in any shape or form.  Nobody wanted regulation until it became obvious that without it, companies just can''t be trusted.Fair point about the ERM though.  Interest rates at 14% - "back to basics" - "Family values" - dead Tories in wardrobes with bags on their heads & oranges in their mouths.Yes, I''m a Labour supporter, and a disillusioned one.  Can I vote for Charles Clarke?  Ugh.

[PurpleCanary 6,371]

All parties make promises they don''t keep. And they also often do exactly what they said they wouldn''t do.

Only someone very naive would place too much reliance on this - or any other election pledge - actually coming true.

The point is more that this is an indication of the way politicians are starting to think on the barking mad world of English football. And you don''t have to be Michel Platini to think it IS a barking mad world.

And it is not just Labour starting to think this way. The response from the Tories is significant in that it doesn''t actually dismiss the basic idea of increased fan power but says it can be achieved by other means.

It also uses the word "gimmick" which is a classic response word that seems to attack the idea without actually doing so.

This is hardly going to decide the election ("It''s the economy, stupid") but it does pose a little dilemma for Cameron, because it will appeal to fans.

[Mister Chops 7]

Oh, and this idea of a law to let fans own a share of clubs is blatant electioneering and would never become law - and I think everyone''s sussed that already.

[paul moy 235]

[quote user="Mister Chops"]Though you could argue the "boom and bust" was largely due to the abuse of free market principles in the private sector, primarily financial institutions, which I doubt the Tories would have opposed in any shape or form.  Nobody wanted regulation until it became obvious that without it, companies just can''t be trusted.

Fair point about the ERM though.  Interest rates at 14% - "back to basics" - "Family values" - dead Tories in wardrobes with bags on their heads & oranges in their mouths.

Yes, I''m a Labour supporter, and a disillusioned one.  Can I vote for Charles Clarke?  Ugh.

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I must admit I was disillusioned when the Tories raised VAT as that did break a manifesto commitment, but I was able to come terms with it on the basis of ''unforeseen circumstances''.  It''s so important that politicians should stick to their pledges in manifestos, and I just cannot see any excuses for Labour on the Lisbon Treaty. They sank to an all-time low on that one, sadly.

[dylanisabaddog 6,131]

The result of the next General Election isn''t important.  In simple terms, we''re up shit creek whover wins.

As for the proposal about football club ownership, this is just more kite flying in a feeble attempt to distract from the real issues.  2 weeks ago it was dog owners having to have insurance, last week it was cider drinkers and next week it''ll be something else that''s completely unimportant in the general scheme of things.

Just how do they think that they are going to force owners to hand over what is legally theirs anyway?  The only way that this could be forced on football clubs is through UEFA, and Platini has plans of his own which would go a long way to solving the problem. 

Who reads the Guardian anyway? 

Rant over.

[Ive got off the fence 0]

[quote user="dylanisabaddog"]Who reads the Guardian anyway? 

[/quote]I do. What''s your paper of choice?

[barclay46 0]

Is this a football board or an off shoot of the Westminster Daily News? By the way,the first election pledge I remember the king promised to keep the Normans out.Fat lot of good that was.

[Tangible Fixed Assets anyone? 0]

[quote user="Mister Chops"]Though you could argue the "boom and bust" was largely due to the abuse of free market principles in the private sector, primarily financial institutions, which I doubt the Tories would have opposed in any shape or form.  Nobody wanted regulation until it became obvious that without it, companies just can''t be trusted.

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It was our current Prime Minister who took bank regulation away from the Bank of England who had done the job perfectly well for yonks and gave it to the dozy lot called the FSA.

BTW. you can''t trust labour governments with the national economy as they have a track record of overspending other peoples money. The annual deficits were getting bigger before the credit crunch took hold.

Moreover labour cant resist meddling in peoples lives.

 

[Tangible Fixed Assets anyone? 0]

[quote user="paul moy"]

[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="NorwichCasual"]Drivvel again from the guardian. The only people fooled by that will be the great unwashed of elland road[/quote]

It is standard procedure for political parties to leak manifesto pledges ahead of an election. I''m not clear why you think The Guardian has got this one wrong.
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The referendum on the Lisbon Treaty was also a manifesto pledge. Nobody should believe any pledge ever again from those barefaced liars.   

[/quote]

and dont forget Brown managed to sell a large chunk of our gold reserves for a low price.

[Tangible Fixed Assets anyone? 0]

[quote user="dylanisabaddog"]

The result of the next General Election isn''t important.  In simple terms, we''re up shit creek whover wins.

As for the proposal about football club ownership, this is just more kite flying in a feeble attempt to distract from the real issues.  2 weeks ago it was dog owners having to have insurance, last week it was cider drinkers and next week it''ll be something else that''s completely unimportant in the general scheme of things.

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It just shows you how desperate this government is........

[Tangible Fixed Assets anyone? 0]

One major reason for disliking this government is the way they sent our Armed Forces into Iraq insufficiently equipped, e.g., not enough body armour so that soldiers die who may have survived otherwise. Lack of good comms kit so that the six redcaps who got cornered and killed couldn''t call up assistance. What about insufficient footwear of the right quality?

It was not as if it was obvious that there was a high probability of going to war given the large exercise in Oman.

No lets appease the backbenchers and take our time to order the kit........remember the comments in the press by the senior military that they had to get on and order the kit needed.

Then to top it off we had Brown cutting the helicopter budget by £1 billion+ despite us being at war.

 

When we have people fighting and dying for the nation then we as a nation should do the best we can for them.

 

 

 

[Branston Pickle 4,144]

Paul - seems to me that you are a victim of the usual double standards that apply in politics - it''s ok if your side breaks election pledges ["unforeseen circumstances"? - yeah, right] but not if it''s the others. Surely the last 20+ years has shown us that Labour and Conservative are pretty much as bad as each other. But the sad fact is that the chances are we will be saddled with one or the other for donkeys years to come.

[Tangible Fixed Assets anyone? 0]

[quote user="Branston Pickle"]Paul - seems to me that you are a victim of the usual double standards that apply in politics - it''s ok if your side breaks election pledges ["unforeseen circumstances"? - yeah, right] but not if it''s the others. Surely the last 20+ years has shown us that Labour and Conservative are pretty much as bad as each other. But the sad fact is that the chances are we will be saddled with one or the other for donkeys years to come.[/quote]

But can you remember a Conservative government wanting to meddle in peoples lives as this labour government is doing?

They do share the sleaze factor and the misuse of public money re expenses.

[BlyBlyBabes 0]

[quote user="barclay46"]Is this a football board or an off shoot of the Westminster Daily News? By the way,the first election pledge I remember the king promised to keep the Normans out.Fat lot of good that was.[/quote]

The king ran for election?

Tell us more.

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