Money

[Jersey Canary 180]

Am I the only one who’d be furious if we only got £8m for Rowe? I don’t know why we are selling if we’ve just bagged the Sara money along with Tzolis and probably Idah as well.

We need to gain £15m plus add ons for Rowe if he’s going to go rather than give him away. 

[SwearyCanary 1,340]

Maybe we could do with another thread on this 😂

[Dean Coneys boots 1,531]

I would be more furious if we turned it down, he refused to sign a new contract and we then lost him for nothing. In last year means less money- sadly 

[essex canary 622]

1 minute ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

I would be more furious if we turned it down, he refused to sign a new contract and we then lost him for nothing. In last year means less money- sadly 

Exactly. It is not Rowe we would be selling. It is Rowe's contract. There is a difference potentially a big one.

[cambridgeshire canary 7,797]

7 minutes ago, SwearyCanary said:

Maybe we could do with another thread on this 😂

You don't have to tell me twice

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

6 minutes ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

I would be more furious if we turned it down, he refused to sign a new contract and we then lost him for nothing. In last year means less money- sadly 

He's not in the last year, we have the option to activate an extension to 2026. Given that fact, I would be bloody annoyed if we let him go for a measly £8m.

[wcorkcanary 4,781]

2 minutes ago, essex canary said:

Exactly. It is not Rowe we would be selling. It is Rowe's contract. There is a difference potentially a big one.

I'm agreeing with Bootso and Ethics( i know, dont judge me), sadly we can't force him to stay AND perform, it could easily backfire , willing to bet the Club has done as much as it can to make him stay. Some things we just cannot control and have to just strive for the best outcome. 

[Branston Pickle 4,145]

8 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

He's not in the last year, we have the option to activate an extension to 2026. Given that fact, I would be bloody annoyed if we let him go for a measly £8m.

It’s astonishing that some still don’t know his contract situation- as you say, effectively got 2 years remaining.

As for the £8m, it’s been turned down, so we’ll see whether anyone comes back - what we could do with us PL interest if we are to get more, but for a young guy his injury record is pretty poor in truth. I’m not sure they’ll bite. 

[GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 2,035]

13 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

I'm agreeing with Bootso and Ethics( i know, dont judge me), sadly we can't force him to stay AND perform, it could easily backfire , willing to bet the Club has done as much as it can to make him stay. Some things we just cannot control and have to just strive for the best outcome. 

Seriously doubt that...their eyes are lighting up at ££££ notes

[Mason 47 1,922]

1 minute ago, Branston Pickle said:

It’s astonishing that some still don’t know his contract situation- as you say, effectively got 2 years remaining.

As for the £8m, it’s been turned down, so we’ll see whether anyone comes back - what we could do with us PL interest if we are to get more, but for a young guy his injury record is pretty poor in truth. I’m not sure they’ll bite. 

£7-8m feels like the sort of fee he would go for next summer with the year option activated. No need to go anywhere under our top-dollar for him now.

Perhaps 2 weeks ago, before we had secured a big sale for Sara, the conversation might have gone differently. As it stands he's our most saleable asset and biggest goal threat, I don't see how anything lower that £15m plus a stack of extras gets him.

[essex canary 622]

21 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

He's not in the last year, we have the option to activate an extension to 2026. Given that fact, I would be bloody annoyed if we let him go for a measly £8m.

Interesting. Is the option at the same wages? Either way it should still boost the price to a degree.

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

Just now, essex canary said:

Interesting. Is the option at the same wages? Either way it should still boost the price to a degree.

I don't know, but I would assume that it merely extends the existing contract and its terms, rather than giving the player an opportunity to renegotiate his wages for the extra year.

[Capt. Pants 5,006]

Would love to know how much Duffy and Barnes are costing us on wages. Will probably eat into a fair chunk of the Idah money.

We got ourselves into this mess and it's sad so many of our fans are happy to sell our best players to get out of it.

[Up and Away 96]

5 minutes ago, Mason 47 said:

£7-8m feels like the sort of fee he would go for next summer with the year option activated. No need to go anywhere under our top-dollar for him now.

Perhaps 2 weeks ago, before we had secured a big sale for Sara, the conversation might have gone differently. As it stands he's our most saleable asset and biggest goal threat, I don't see how anything lower that £15m plus a stack of extras gets him.

The thing is that once a player is into the last year of his contract, he can sign a pre-contract agreement (with a club outside England) six months before the end of his current deal, so from January onwards. 

If a club can secure his services for free in January (yes, they have to wait six months), why would they pay £mms in the previous window?

Even with the option, JR's fee will drop considerably at the end of this window, and again in Jan, and will likely be low seven figures this time next year.

 

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

5 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Would love to know how much Duffy and Barnes are costing us on wages. Will probably eat into a fair chunk of the Idah money.

We got ourselves into this mess and it's sad so many of our fans are happy to sell our best players to get out of it.

I've not seen or heard a single fan say they're 'happy' to be selling our best players? Replacing 'happy' with 'resigned to the inevitability of our place in the footballing food chain' is probably closer to the truth.

Edited August 10 by Feedthewolf

[rock bus 1,058]

3 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Would love to know how much Duffy and Barnes are costing us on wages. Will probably eat into a fair chunk of the Idah money.

We got ourselves into this mess and it's sad so many of our fans are happy to sell our best players to get out of it.

Whilst I agree, what’s the alternative?

 Other than huge investment there is nothing we can do. Only other option would be to take gamble on not selling the likes of Rowe and if we got promoted we’d be fine but if not could cease to exist as a club.

[Up and Away 96]

11 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Would love to know how much Duffy and Barnes are costing us on wages. Will probably eat into a fair chunk of the Idah money.

We got ourselves into this mess and it's sad so many of our fans are happy to sell our best players to get out of it.

Not sure how accurate these are but ball park, suspect they are about right. Sara separately was reported to have quadrupled his money from £20k to £80k per week, which is consistent with these data.

https://www.capology.com/club/norwich/salaries/

There is a lot of money tied up in contracts for the Dad's Army. Given it is unlikely that anyone will want to acquire them, then the club are going to be stuck with them on the wage bill this season, and a few next season too. The pace of the Thorup revolution is going to be dependent on how quickly he can refresh the squad and bring in the players he needs for his system. That is likely going to take a few transfer windows.

It may also explain why the club are raising more transfer monies than they need this summer to fill the TV broadcast money gap. It gives JHT monies for acquisitions. 

 

Edited August 10 by Up and Away

[Mason 47 1,922]

Just now, Up and Away said:

The thing is that once a player is into the last year of his contract, he can sign a pre-contract agreement (with a club outside England) six months before the end of his current deal, so from January onwards. 

If a club can secure his services for free in January (yes, they have to wait six months), why would they pay £mms in the previous window?

Even with the option, JR's fee will drop considerably at the end of this window, and again in Jan, and will likely be low seven figures this time next year.

 

Clubs will pay to steal a march on others, this is exactly what Rangers did with Cantwell (?m fee paid in Jan to get a player OoC the following summer).

JR is also a fiercely ambitious guy and I don't think would be putting himself in a position to be sat in the stands for half a year having signed a pre-contract elsewhere. 

I've got faith we could get £7m next summer quite easily, especially if he has another good year. I think most of the PL would have a look in that scenario. So I'm quite happy to hold out for top dollar just now.

[JonnyJonnyRowe 972]

47 minutes ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

I would be more furious if we turned it down, he refused to sign a new contract and we then lost him for nothing. In last year means less money- sadly 

I made this point, until somebody else informed that we had the option of another year to extend to summer 2026, so we are under no pressure to flog at any price at all.

£15m with 20 percent of profit sell on clause should be the fee.

[Mason 47 1,922]

11 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

I've not seen or heard a single fan say they're 'happy' to be selling our best players? Replace 'happy' with 'resigned to the inevitability of our place in the footballing food chain' is probably closer to the truth.

I'd further replace 'resigned' to 'realistic'. As I said on another thread, we can't stop teams bidding for our best players or turning heads. Let's be the first ones to the table with our terms laid out, then let other teams scrap it out.

Edited August 10 by Mason 47

[Up and Away 96]

5 minutes ago, Mason 47 said:

Clubs will pay to steal a march on others, this is exactly what Rangers did with Cantwell (?m fee paid in Jan to get a player OoC the following summer).

JR is also a fiercely ambitious guy and I don't think would be putting himself in a position to be sat in the stands for half a year having signed a pre-contract elsewhere. 

I've got faith we could get £7m next summer quite easily, especially if he has another good year. I think most of the PL would have a look in that scenario. So I'm quite happy to hold out for top dollar just now.

There is definitely a fee to be had next summer, whether it would be £7m, not sure. Bit of a gamble, but could pay off.

[BigEars 29]

I find the “options” on players contracts quite interesting but not something I know much about.  They are always presented as simply the club deciding it wants to extend a contract, but with no downside.  That seems yo leave the player in a bit of limbo in their final year so it makes you ask why an agent would negotiate it - why not just say to the club its a 3 year deal or 4 if you prefer.  So, i wonder if there are other changes to the contract if the option is called, more money, release clauses etc which might make the option a bit less one sided?

[Branston Pickle 4,145]

6 minutes ago, Mason 47 said:

I'd further replace 'resigned' to 'realistic'. As I said on another thread, we can't stop teams bidding for our best players or turning heads. Let's be the first ones to the table with our terms laid out, then let other teams scrap it out.

Realistic is indeed the word - what I can’t quite understand is that people can’t seem to see the lie of the land and, for better or worse, where we are in it.

Being in the Champs means we aren’t as high in the pecking order as we have been, but nearly all clubs, including many in the PL, will be ‘selling’ clubs to the next up the line. That’s not to say we don’t have clout of our own, or that we will undersell players, but we are more at risk of our better players leaving.

[Ken Hairy 4,272]

1 hour ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

I would be more furious if we turned it down, he refused to sign a new contract and we then lost him for nothing. In last year means less money- sadly 

We have a year option on him

[Midlands Yellow 4,682]

50 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Would love to know how much Duffy and Barnes are costing us on wages. Will probably eat into a fair chunk of the Idah money.

We got ourselves into this mess and it's sad so many of our fans are happy to sell our best players to get out of it.

Only on £30k a week apparently. 

[In my blood 107]

The signing of Duffy was part of a plan that hasn't worked out. Rowe staying or going might be part of a plan. Some supporters seem to think that every year should be an improvement in outgoings/incoming and no errors made!

If every season was like that, we would be in the champions league! Get real. 

[wcorkcanary 4,781]

1 hour ago, GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary said:

Seriously doubt that...their eyes are lighting up at ££££ notes

Well, we create our own reality chap. I'm fine with mine. This how footy operates at our level.  

[BigEars 29]

58 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Only on £30k a week apparently. 

Each?  If so, that is way more than we can afford without parachute payments.  That window was a disaster - no longer germ thinking and frankly no governance at the club to keep the webbers in check

[chicken 3,082]

1 hour ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Only on £30k a week apparently. 

According to?

[chicken 3,082]

1 hour ago, In my blood said:

The signing of Duffy was part of a plan that hasn't worked out. Rowe staying or going might be part of a plan. Some supporters seem to think that every year should be an improvement in outgoings/incoming and no errors made!

If every season was like that, we would be in the champions league! Get real. 

I think Duffy was signed to essentually cover/replace Hanley and ensure our defence had experience, and experience of as high a level as possible.

I think we knew Gibson was going. Hanley was predicted to be back towards the end of the season. Not knowing how he'd come out of that injury, and with Gibson off. Our youth needed, needs complimenting with experience.

The end of the Smith/Wagner season we were getting tonked as without Hanley, Gibson, McLean etc, there were no real leaders to pick up the younger players.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, youngsters can be fantastic but they rely so much more on momentum and at times pace. Experienced teams can 'manage' them. Push them off the ball, force them to run into space that isn't useful, antagonise and wind them up etc.

As much as people don't like it, Norwich are often too fair, too nice. Lambert sides with the likes of Holt, Crofts, Johnson, Pilkington, Morison were able to do the toe to toe stuff and the nasty side of the game as much as the on the ball niceties.

IMHO, it's Farke's biggest flaw when he was with us at least. Every pundit etc that first (edit) premier league season said how well we moved the ball about. But off the ball, when the opponent had it, we struggled to 'manage' games.

Barnes and Duffy are that ilk of player. And you don't just bring them in to play that role on the pitch, they pass on that knowledge and teach youngsters too.

Holt did it with Morris, Maddison said that Hoolahan did it with him.

Edited August 10 by chicken