Optimism

[Duncan Edwards 2,424]

Amazing that in such a short period of time, there seems to be a real “feel good” factor in the air.

Someone that I was at college with indicated that the sun had shone brighter on Friday, we’ve seen the ridiculous Rwanda scheme consigned to the dustbin, a lovely new kit with a nod to the “Fosters” classic of yesteryear and now England have won on penalties.

Do we all now share this optimism? Is a season under Starmer going to deliver for our football club?

Of course, I commiserate with fellow canary Liz Truss on the loss of her seat. Hopefully she can attend more games now she has plenty of free time.

Perhaps the club will come together, as the nation did, for greater good and delivery of positive results.

OTBC

[essex canary 622]

6 hours ago, Duncan Edwards said:

Amazing that in such a short period of time, there seems to be a real “feel good” factor in the air.

Someone that I was at college with indicated that the sun had shone brighter on Friday, we’ve seen the ridiculous Rwanda scheme consigned to the dustbin, a lovely new kit with a nod to the “Fosters” classic of yesteryear and now England have won on penalties.

Do we all now share this optimism? Is a season under Starmer going to deliver for our football club?

Of course, I commiserate with fellow canary Liz Truss on the loss of her seat. Hopefully she can attend more games now she has plenty of free time.

Perhaps the club will come together, as the nation did, for greater good and delivery of positive results.

OTBC

Will Liz Truss be one of those supporters who never turn up in time for kick off?

[Peregrine Shorts 538]

although a Tory, I heard Liz Truss had been offered a seat for life and away membership for life

[essex canary 622]

2 minutes ago, Peregrine Shorts said:

although a Tory, I heard Liz Truss had been offered a seat for life and away membership for life

There seems to be a surplus of one way flight seats to Rwanda at the moment. Could we offer her one of those?

[Robert Ketts Yellow Army 35]

6 hours ago, Duncan Edwards said:

Amazing that in such a short period of time, there seems to be a real “feel good” factor in the air.

Someone that I was at college with indicated that the sun had shone brighter on Friday, we’ve seen the ridiculous Rwanda scheme consigned to the dustbin, a lovely new kit with a nod to the “Fosters” classic of yesteryear and now England have won on penalties.

Do we all now share this optimism? Is a season under Starmer going to deliver for our football club?

Of course, I commiserate with fellow canary Liz Truss on the loss of her seat. Hopefully she can attend more games now she has plenty of free time.

Perhaps the club will come together, as the nation did, for greater good and delivery of positive results.

OTBC

If you want a glimpse of our future, look at what’s happening with the hard-right in France and Germany. 

[lake district canary 4,830]

Labour got hardly any more votes than usual, less than when Corbyn lost the election last time, so the country didn't come together to put them in power, it merely finally saw off the tories. To think Labour got a huge victory is to be totally deluded.

Yes, they got plenty more seats, but in our electoral system, as usual, the real wish of the people as a whole is totally ignored. The real wish of the people was to have more representation of differing views.

Labour got 33% of the vote. So 67% of those that voted - the vast majority - are not represented. Thats like a result of Norwich 2 Ipswich 1 and Ipswich getting the three points........

Wonderful. If there's any fresh air, it is that hopefully in five years, Labour will have been seen to be as useless as the tories, we will get an election that will see the end of the first past the post system and we will get a democracy that actually is some kind of democracy, politicians will have to actually work together and we will move to a better system.

Optimism? Barely - half the job has been done - to kick the tories out - the full job will be to kick out labour and end the failed first past the post system forever.

 

Edited July 7 by lake district canary

[Daz Sparks 1,558]

7 hours ago, Duncan Edwards said:

Perhaps the club will come together, as the nation did, for greater good and delivery of positive results.

OTBC

Given that the whole of the City is now Labour, you have to hope so Duncan.

[JonnyJonnyRowe 972]

I won't feel optimistic until Norwich City sign a left back.

[Daz Sparks 1,558]

2 minutes ago, JonnyJonnyRowe said:

I won't feel optimistic until Norwich City sign a left back.

Norwich have gone back left, so you'd have thought it's on the cards?

[essex canary 622]

3 minutes ago, JonnyJonnyRowe said:

I won't feel optimistic until Norwich City sign a left back.

We can never have enough left wingers but we are too busy signing goalkeepers.

[Daz Sparks 1,558]

14 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

Labour got hardly any more votes than usual, less than when Corbyn lost the election last time, so the country didn't come together to put them in power, it merely finally saw off the tories. To think Labour got a huge victory is to be totally deluded.

Yes, they got plenty more seats, but in our electoral system, as usual, the real wish of the people as a whole is totally ignored. The real wish of the people was to have more representation of differing views.

Labour got 33% of the vote. So 67% of those that voted - the vast majority - are not represented. Thats like a result of Norwich 2 Ipswich 1 and Ipswich getting the three points........

Wonderful. If there's any fresh air, it is that hopefully in five years, Labour will have been seen to be as useless as the tories, we will get an election that will see the end of the first past the post system and we will get a democracy that actually is some kind of democracy, politicians will have to actually work together and we will move to a better system.

Optimism? Barely - half the job has been done - to kick the tories out - the full job will be to kick out labour and end the failed first past the post system forever.

 

Lib Dem, or Reform?

[Daz Sparks 1,558]

17 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

Labour got hardly any more votes than usual,

They played the system we have well Lakey, same as the Lib Dems, that's all there is too it. The vote percentages stats fall firmly into the famous statistics quote: 

“Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.”

[Yobocop 1,444]

7 minutes ago, essex canary said:

We can never have enough left wingers but we are too busy signing goalkeepers.

How many keepers we signed this preseason? 

[TIL 1010 5,246]

I will feel more optimistic if essex buys a season ticket for Cambridge and clears off to infest their forum.

[chicken 3,084]

1 hour ago, lake district canary said:

Labour got hardly any more votes than usual, less than when Corbyn lost the election last time, so the country didn't come together to put them in power, it merely finally saw off the tories. To think Labour got a huge victory is to be totally deluded.

Yes, they got plenty more seats, but in our electoral system, as usual, the real wish of the people as a whole is totally ignored. The real wish of the people was to have more representation of differing views.

Labour got 33% of the vote. So 67% of those that voted - the vast majority - are not represented. Thats like a result of Norwich 2 Ipswich 1 and Ipswich getting the three points........

Wonderful. If there's any fresh air, it is that hopefully in five years, Labour will have been seen to be as useless as the tories, we will get an election that will see the end of the first past the post system and we will get a democracy that actually is some kind of democracy, politicians will have to actually work together and we will move to a better system.

Optimism? Barely - half the job has been done - to kick the tories out - the full job will be to kick out labour and end the failed first past the post system forever.

 

Our voting system did what it was always said it was designed to do, keep the extremists out. Thank god too.

People voting for reform like they are something new, and not just a reskinned far right group with a figurehead.

They defeated the Tories, and the Tories themselves, for pandering far too much to the far right.

Optimism? Not yet. Too much work to be done on our club and our union nation before I can get carried away. Both under new eras trying to bring us out of the last.

[Yobocop 1,444]

1 hour ago, essex canary said:

We can never have enough left wingers but we are too busy signing goalkeepers.

Also what part of Essex do you live? Not expecting an answer but just trying to work something out 

[Robert N. LiM 6,276]

Thought England responded brilliantly to their first game under a Starmer government by being much more competent while offering nothing on the left.

 

[Yobocop 1,444]

Just now, Robert N. LiM said:

Thought England responded brilliantly to their first game under a Starmer government by being much more competent while offering nothing on the left.

 

Whats 410 seats out of 650 as a percentage? That’s a landslide 

[Robert N. LiM 6,276]

4 minutes ago, Yobocop said:

Whats 410 seats out of 650 as a percentage? That’s a landslide 

Don't need luck when you've got (checks notes) 34% of the population behind you.😉

 

Edited July 7 by Robert N. LiM

[Branston Pickle 4,149]

16 minutes ago, Yobocop said:

Whats 410 seats out of 650 as a percentage? That’s a landslide 

Indeed it is.  In football you can win 5-0 and no one gives two craps about possession, it’s much the same thing - the idea is to score and win.

This election was a great exercise in people using common sense to get their goal - a lot of Labour voted Lib Dem to get them in (similarly there were a lot of Gaza-inspired Independents who also reduced their %).   The system is flawed but at least the side with the most votes won power - that doesn’t always happen in the US, ridiculously when Trump “won” in 2016 it was with a whopping  2.9m fewer votes, the daft system did its worst. 

[Robert N. LiM 6,276]

19 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said:

that doesn’t always happen in the US, ridiculously when Trump “won” in 2016 it was with a whopping  2.9m fewer votes, the daft system did its worst. 

think I'm right in saying that the only time a Republican presidential candidate has won the popular vote since 1998 was George W Bush after the Iraq war.

[Petriix 3,218]

2 hours ago, lake district canary said:

Labour got hardly any more votes than usual, less than when Corbyn lost the election last time, so the country didn't come together to put them in power, it merely finally saw off the tories. To think Labour got a huge victory is to be totally deluded.

That's one view. On the other hand, all the Intelligent people I know voted for the party with the best chance of beating the Tories. Yes, Reform took a lot of Tory votes, but there are many Tory voters who would never vote for Farage. And many Reform voters came from the (less educated parts of the) left and would never vote Tory.

Progressives like me will tolerate a centre-right Labour government in order to keep the far right out. And, hopefully, Labour will be able to deliver a bit of an improvement for everyone so could actually grow in popularity. 

Ultimately the Tories and Reform got less than 40% of the total vote. The next election will be more about the people who didn't bother to vote this time. 

[Up and Away 96]

2 hours ago, lake district canary said:

Labour got hardly any more votes than usual, less than when Corbyn lost the election last time, so the country didn't come together to put them in power, it merely finally saw off the tories. To think Labour got a huge victory is to be totally deluded.

Yes, they got plenty more seats, but in our electoral system, as usual, the real wish of the people as a whole is totally ignored. The real wish of the people was to have more representation of differing views.

Labour got 33% of the vote. So 67% of those that voted - the vast majority - are not represented. Thats like a result of Norwich 2 Ipswich 1 and Ipswich getting the three points........

Wonderful. If there's any fresh air, it is that hopefully in five years, Labour will have been seen to be as useless as the tories, we will get an election that will see the end of the first past the post system and we will get a democracy that actually is some kind of democracy, politicians will have to actually work together and we will move to a better system.

Optimism? Barely - half the job has been done - to kick the tories out - the full job will be to kick out labour and end the failed first past the post system forever.

 

The Tory vote at the last election was exaggerated by Vote Leave supporters lending their support to Boris. It was always going to be a one time issue, so the massive swing to labour (seats) is in part reversing this trend and the country purging the tories.

 

[Up and Away 96]

4 minutes ago, Petriix said:

That's one view. On the other hand, all the Intelligent people I know voted for the party with the best chance of beating the Tories. Yes, Reform took a lot of Tory votes, but there are many Tory voters who would never vote for Farage. And many Reform voters came from the (less educated parts of the) left and would never vote Tory.

Progressives like me will tolerate a centre-right Labour government in order to keep the far right out. And, hopefully, Labour will be able to deliver a bit of an improvement for everyone so could actually grow in popularity. 

Ultimately the Tories and Reform got less than 40% of the total vote. The next election will be more about the people who didn't bother to vote this time. 

Really good point about the low election turnout. That will be a worry for KS and the other party leaders.

History says that whoever controls the middle ground will have the power. Starmer, like Blair has made the Labour Party more acceptable to many by moving toward the centre ground. Something Corbyn could never achieve.

[Paul101 190]

7 minutes ago, Petriix said:

That's one view. On the other hand, all the Intelligent people I know voted for the party with the best chance of beating the Tories. Yes, Reform took a lot of Tory votes, but there are many Tory voters who would never vote for Farage. And many Reform voters came from the (less educated parts of the) left and would never vote Tory.

Progressives like me will tolerate a centre-right Labour government in order to keep the far right out. And, hopefully, Labour will be able to deliver a bit of an improvement for everyone so could actually grow in popularity. 

Ultimately the Tories and Reform got less than 40% of the total vote. The next election will be more about the people who didn't bother to vote this time. 

reform might have taken the labour votes as well less people voted from them than last election

I think this labour might be more like Blairs make of that what you like but expect false economys and debt but the last one was against things like minimun wage for starters ohh and spending any money in norfolk what so ever

[Robert N. LiM 6,276]

9 minutes ago, Petriix said:

And, hopefully, Labour will be able to deliver a bit of an improvement for everyone so could actually grow in popularity. 

This is the challenge right there. Populists, whether left or right, offer simplistic answers to complex problems. Starmer has to prove that he can actually solve those problems, or the simplistic answers will just seem more tempting. It's a tough, tough job, but I wish him well and think he might actually be quite good at the boring job of running a government.

[The Real Buh 3,765]

Imagine talking about politics on the football forum

imagine the cringe

[essex canary 622]

1 hour ago, Yobocop said:

Also what part of Essex do you live? Not expecting an answer but just trying to work something out 

I don't. Lived in Essex for 35 years most latterly in Wickford now in Attleborough.

I voted Labour. Delia lost her enthusiasm for left wingers when Keef O'Neil was around and acquired her passion for defensiveness with Andy Marshall.

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,221]

3 hours ago, lake district canary said:

Labour got hardly any more votes than usual, less than when Corbyn lost the election last time, so the country didn't come together to put them in power, it merely finally saw off the tories. To think Labour got a huge victory is to be totally deluded.

Yes, they got plenty more seats, but in our electoral system, as usual, the real wish of the people as a whole is totally ignored. The real wish of the people was to have more representation of differing views.

Labour got 33% of the vote. So 67% of those that voted - the vast majority - are not represented. Thats like a result of Norwich 2 Ipswich 1 and Ipswich getting the three points........

Wonderful. If there's any fresh air, it is that hopefully in five years, Labour will have been seen to be as useless as the tories, we will get an election that will see the end of the first past the post system and we will get a democracy that actually is some kind of democracy, politicians will have to actually work together and we will move to a better system.

Optimism? Barely - half the job has been done - to kick the tories out - the full job will be to kick out labour and end the failed first past the post system forever.

 

Do not disagree with you Lakey. How would proportional representation work at a geographic level?. If you take Norfolk as an example, nearly 1M population spread over a wide area, with 9 parliamentary constituencies,  with a mixture of rural and urban areas that have different issues and needs. I am all for proportional representation but there is something to be said for having your own MP..........

[essex canary 622]

3 hours ago, Peregrine Shorts said:

although a Tory, I heard Liz Truss had been offered a seat for life and away membership for life

Note that Liz hails from Oxford, our first opponents of the season whereas her conqueruor is a good old Norfolk man who knows how to respond to emails. Which would you rather have on board?