Get Duffy out of the club

[Positive_Canary 48]

Play-offs irrelevant in the context of a player disgracing the club. We are better than that. 

[cambridgeshire canary 7,797]

Yet we hired Barnes who has drink driving on his criminal record.

 

Do agree with you of course, just pointing it out.

[Google Bot 3,928]

Disagree, the court should be the ones dealing with it. We're a football club, not judge and jury in such matters.

It's up to Wagner to decide if he plays or not based on sporting merits and our requirements to progress, for me the disgrace is entirely on Duffy's name, not the club.

[Positive_Canary 48]

16 minutes ago, Google Bot said:

Disagree, the court should be the ones dealing with it. We're a football club, not judge and jury in such matters.

It's up to Wagner to decide if he plays or not based on sporting merits and our requirements to progress, for me the disgrace is entirely on Duffy's name, not the club.

You can't see the link between his behaviour and the club being held in disrepute if he is allowed to continue to play? That says an awful lot about you I'm afraid. 

[canarybubbles 2,199]

3 minutes ago, Google Bot said:

Disagree, the court should be the ones dealing with it. We're a football club, not judge and jury in such matters.

It's up to Wagner to decide if he plays or not based on sporting merits and our requirements to progress, for me the disgrace is entirely on Duffy's name, not the club.

It may be true that the courts should be the ones dealing with it, but he has completely let his teammates down just before a crucial game which could transform their careers. He is everything that was wrong about our old fart recruitment in the summer (Stacey excepted).

We should never have signed him in the first place, but I doubt if we can get rid of him because the PFA will almost certainly support him.

[Mason 47 1,923]

12 minutes ago, Google Bot said:

It's up to Wagner to decide if he plays or not based on sporting merits and our requirements to progress, for me the disgrace is entirely on Duffy's name, not the club.

I think you're correct that the shame is on the man, not the club, but that stands only whilst he doesn't play IMO. There will be plenty that see his actions as completely reprehensible and will consider NCFC as complicit in that if he is allowed to carry on as normal.

I don't believe he will be sacked off but I'd also be completely shocked if he's anywhere near Carrow Rd on Sunday. I'd expect his time with us is done.

 

 

[Crafty Canary 547]

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

I wonder how many of those piling in have also driven at some tome whilst over the limit. I certainly have in my youth and Thank God didn’t hurt others and myself.

[Satriales 993]

Well, we do need another thread on the subject. 

[JonnyJonnyRowe 972]

51 minutes ago, Positive_Canary said:

Play-offs irrelevant in the context of a player disgracing the club. We are better than that. 

If he confesses to having an alcohol problem does the club actually have the moral highground if we cut him loose?

Or would the proper thing to do, subject to be satisfied that he is genuinely remorseful and wanting help, be to support him through his personal issues and arrange any necessary counselling?

If he heads off to the Sporting Chance clinic next week, you still sacking him?

[canarybubbles 2,199]

2 minutes ago, JonnyJonnyRowe said:

If he confesses to having an alcohol problem does the club actually have the moral highground if we cut him loose?

Or would the proper thing to do, subject to be satisfied that he is genuinely remorseful and wanting help, be to support him through his personal issues and arrange any necessary counselling?

If he heads off to the Sporting Chance clinic next week, you still sacking him?

Even if he does have an alcohol problem, that's no excuse for his not walking home or getting a taxi. He's an adult human being who is capable of making adult decisions (allegedly).

If he had killed or seriously injured someone, their loved ones would have had a genuine, heart-wrenching problem which was not at all of their own making. But they're not footballers on 40K a week, so they wouldn't have top lawyers acting on their behalf and tugging on the old heart strings to get him off with a few visits to a counsellor. 

[JonnyJonnyRowe 972]

1 minute ago, canarybubbles said:

Even if he does have an alcohol problem, that's no excuse for his not walking home or getting a taxi. He's an adult human being who is capable of making adult decisions (allegedly).

If he had killed or seriously injured someone, their loved ones would have had a genuine, heart-wrenching problem which was not at all of their own making. But they're not footballers on 40K a week, so they wouldn't have top lawyers acting on their behalf and tugging on the old heart strings to get him off with a few visits to a counsellor. 

People don't get jailed for a first drink driving offence mate, footballer or not, that just doesn't happen.  

Death by dangerous driving they would obviously, but Duffy isn't going to jail and it has nothing to do with how much money he has earned, it just doesn't happen, there is no room in the prisons for a start.

And yes, I know all that, which is why I'm amazed we didn't sack Flynn Clarke who left THREE people with serious injuries. Have the club ever commented on that? He's not even very good.

[Virtual reality 860]

Nonsense. I do however think he should be out of the team Sunday but I thought that before all of this. Shocking defender that couldn’t pass a cold on 

Edited May 9 by Virtual reality

[Nuff Said 5,960]

2 hours ago, canarybubbles said:

He is everything that was wrong about our old fart recruitment in the summer (Stacey excepted).

28 is an old fart?

Edit: Jack Stacey is 28, not Duffy.

Edited May 9 by Nuff Said

[S_81 1,101]

He should be going this summer anyhow, as he’s a donkey. And clearly more of a liability than realised. Who matches his wage though, that’s the question 

[daly 551]

17 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

28 is an old fart?

No but 32 is

Born 1992 

Don’t apply for Countdown

[Indy 3,471]

1 hour ago, Crafty Canary said:

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

I wonder how many of those piling in have also driven at some tome whilst over the limit. I certainly have in my youth and Thank God didn’t hurt others and myself.

I for one can say definitely not, I used to be the designated driver many weekends and never touched a drop! Anyone who does deserves to get the book thrown at them IMO.

[Indy 3,471]

23 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

28 is an old fart?

Have we gone back in time? 

[Google Bot 3,928]

1 hour ago, Positive_Canary said:

You can't see the link between his behaviour and the club being held in disrepute if he is allowed to continue to play?

Not for me, no, because we don't know what's happened until he's been charged.  This eagerness to jump the gun is the same reason everyone was attacking Sainz and saying he's a disgrace and should be out of the club, when Howson cheated the ref.

We know nothing of his personal life, or what addictions/mental issues he's dealing with, as we know little of what happened that night and what his intentions were.

Just take a step back and let authorities deal with it via the correct procedures.  He's the one carrying the shame, and if he wants to make it up via winning performances for this club and the club feel he's in the right state then I won't be demanding we sack him on the spot.

Edited May 9 by Google Bot

[Google Bot 3,928]

1 hour ago, canarybubbles said:

but he has completely let his teammates down just before a crucial game which could transform their careers

He's let himself down, I doubt his teammates will give two ****s in all honesty.  Everyone will be too focused on matters at hand.

Edited May 9 by Google Bot

[Indy 3,471]

To be honest he’s not been great recently anyhow, only because we don’t have fit player or Batth that he’s still in the team!

[GodlyOtsemobor 2,830]

6 minutes ago, Google Bot said:

He's let himself down.

Said the inflatable headmaster to the child. 

[JonnyJonnyRowe 972]

8 minutes ago, Google Bot said:

Not for me, no, because we don't know what's happened until he's been charged.  This eagerness to jump the gun is the same reason everyone was attacking Sainz and saying he's a disgrace and should be out of the club, when Howson cheated the ref.

We know nothing of his personal life, or what addictions/mental issues he's dealing with.

Just take a step back and let authorities deal with it via the correct procedures.  He's the one carrying the shame, and if he wants to make it up via winning performances for this club and the club feel he's in the right state then I won't be demanding we sack him on the spot.

Well said, this is my position also. Taken some abuse for it from a couple of posters.

I'm really angry with him, but we don't know anything about his history, and what the club knew about his history when we signed him. He almost died as an 18 year old after a freak training ground injury and lost two thirds of his blood, and his dad passed away a few years ago, so alcohol to deal with some sort of trauma isn't out of the question.

If the club signed him knowing that he'd previously spent some time in the priory or Sporting Chance for example, and knew that a regression to past behaviours was a risk, then that changes things a bit.

On the other hand, if he is remorseless, acts with no class at all by trying to get out of the charges, blames everybody but himself and doesn't see that his behaviour is an issue, then I 100% would be delighted to see him sacked.

We already know that he hasn't refused to take a breathalyser test, which is what self-proclaimed devout Muslim Hamza Choudhury, of Leicester City, did in February!

[The Real Buh 3,765]

Everybody relax lol

[KeiranShikari 1,524]

It's really surprising how okay a lot of people seem to be with with drink driving. I'm guessing a lot of them do it/have done it so they're downplaying the severity maybe? Or maybe they just lack empathy and would have to see the mangled corpse of a loved one to see sense.

 

[Nuff Said 5,960]

1 hour ago, daly said:

No but 32 is

Born 1992 

Don’t apply for Countdown

Could have been clearer but I was referring to Stacey. Countdown application would be in the post but I’m no good at anagrams.

[Bobzilla 208]

14 minutes ago, KeiranShikari said:

It's really surprising how okay a lot of people seem to be with with drink driving. I'm guessing a lot of them do it/have done it so they're downplaying the severity maybe? Or maybe they just lack empathy and would have to see the mangled corpse of a loved one to see sense.

 

Pretty certain no-one here is ok with drink driving.  But there's a whole load of a gap between 'drink driving should be encouraged' and 'drink drivers should be shot on suspicion'.

[S_81 1,101]

22 minutes ago, KeiranShikari said:

It's really surprising how okay a lot of people seem to be with with drink driving. I'm guessing a lot of them do it/have done it so they're downplaying the severity maybe? Or maybe they just lack empathy and would have to see the mangled corpse of a loved one to see sense.

 

Would likely feel very different too if it were their car clattered into even when parked up for the night. 

[Bobzilla 208]

14 minutes ago, S_81 said:

Would likely feel very different too if it were their car clattered into even when parked up for the night. 

Which is why we pick juries from the accused's peers, not their victims.  

[S_81 1,101]

16 minutes ago, Bobzilla said:

Which is why we pick juries from the accused's peers, not their victims.  

I get your point. Albeit in this instance I wouldn’t have thought there will be a jury. It will be a guilty plea, likely dealt with at magistrates. 

[Google Bot 3,928]

54 minutes ago, KeiranShikari said:

It's really surprising how okay a lot of people seem to be with with drink driving. I'm guessing a lot of them do it/have done it so they're downplaying the severity maybe? Or maybe they just lack empathy and would have to see the mangled corpse of a loved one to see sense.

My neighbours kid had her collarbone broken by a woman driving while on anti-depressants who had taken more to stop her feeling anxious about driving, so should we not be empathetic to them also?

It's not about being 'ok' with people who are under the influence as I see vast majority condemning what has happened, I think the point related to this thread is that the correct process needs to be followed and actions come from that rather than just sacking the guy on the spot.

We don't know the circumstances, and they're personal to him.   Instead, I have trust in the club to make their decision primarily based on sporting reasons and his suitability to play in these critical fixtures.