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[MC_NCFC 67]

And the people of Norwich who are mostly condemning the comments by our ex DOF.

A positive has been the ability to see the comments debated about with an overwhelming ‘this is wrong/racist/prejudice’ etc. It does show how society is more understanding of the difficulties of the black community and how damaging casual racism is. 

As always there as some people who don’t quite get it, but I hope upon reflection they will realise their misunderstandings of the situation. As always it’s those that are most furthest away from the black community who are unable to relate. Those that haven’t been able to experience, speak with those affected first hand.

As frustrating to some on here who just want to talk football and the annoyance of yet another post. I believe it is brilliant that we as a majority are standing up alongside the black community to condemn the comments of Stuart Webber and tell the rest of our fans what our responsibilities are.

Furthermore, the message to young people what ever race or background. You can be anything you want to be, whatever your background. Believe in yourself, understand the work required to achieve your dreams, build resilience and push yourselves every day. Life can be great for every single one of you and if you are in a situation you want to change, you can do it by believing in yourself to be different to those around you. Love yourself, love life and thrive. 
 

 

[Corbs1 89]

But you cannot be anything you want to be, can you. If you live in Gaza you just want to be alive

[Google Bot 3,278]

I just have sympathy for the players and family for being profiled in such a clumsy way, for me this is more related to class than race.

[essex canary 496]

23 minutes ago, Google Bot said:

I just have sympathy for the players and family for being profiled in such a clumsy way, for me this is more related to class than race.

Exactly. The whole way our Club is run has become an upper middle class imposition, including handing the reins over to bird brains as a kind of misplaced socialist experiment. That is why it happened.

[Commonsense 624]

11 minutes ago, essex canary said:

Exactly. The whole way our Club is run has become an upper middle class imposition, including handing the reins over to bird brains as a kind of misplaced socialist experiment. That is why it happened.

On a different thread you accused a poster of using personal insults against you and said that you were going to report him/ her to admin. Yet you seem to believe that you can throw any insults you wish at the board and owners of the club with no comeback whatsoever. Why is having a sporting director a ‘misplaced socialist experiment’ or have I got it wrong and you are, yet again, targeting Zoe?

[essex canary 496]

1 minute ago, Commonsense said:

On a different thread you accused a poster of using personal insults against you and said that you were going to report him/ her to admin. Yet you seem to believe that you can throw any insults you wish at the board and owners of the club with no comeback whatsoever. Why is having a sporting director a ‘misplaced socialist experiment’ or have I got it wrong and you are, yet again, targeting Zoe?

Chris Goreham gives a clue in today's EDP. in his article that says it is about the fans. MWJ's public statement in 1998 comes from the same position. They have strayed from that pathway.  

[cambridgeshire canary 6,736]

2 hours ago, Corbs1 said:

But you cannot be anything you want to be, can you. If you live in Gaza you just want to be alive

.... What exactly does Gaza have to do with Webber?

[Indy 3,301]

Amazing that the OP has been derailed to an attack on Zoe and likened to Gaza by not having the same chance in life!

The OP is correct in highlighting the response and I do agree that we shouldn’t and mustn’t tar Webber as a racist for a poorly worded remark, he wasn’t attacking anyone but as said above probably more so trying to show the cultural difficulties some people face! That certainly doesn’t excuse him for opening his mouth before engaging his brain, but we do need to be measured in our condemnation of Webber. He’s not my cup of tea as an individual (not that I know him personally) but from my judgment of his performance and interactions as Norwich City DOF!

He has apologised and it’s better to educate through mistakes than chastise and alienate someone for making mistakes.

But certainly agree with the OP in general.

[essex canary 496]

13 minutes ago, Indy said:

Amazing that the OP has been derailed to an attack on Zoe and likened to Gaza by not having the same chance in life!

Stu has apologised and it’s better to educate through mistakes than chastise and alienate someone for making mistakes.

Fair enough in terms of Stu apologising but Football is a team game, why hasn't the whole Board done better?  It isn't just about Zoe either if we go back to MWJ'S statement of 1998 concerning the very highest standards for our Football Club and being leaders in our field. We have not maintained those standards in recent times. 

[Yobocop 1,099]

1 hour ago, essex canary said:

Exactly. The whole way our Club is run has become an upper middle class imposition, including handing the reins over to bird brains as a kind of misplaced socialist experiment. That is why it happened.

Can anyone make any sense of this comment? 

[Google Bot 3,278]

10 minutes ago, essex canary said:

We have not maintained those standards in recent times. 

I suggest that this could be more due to the age of our owners and them preferring to distribute responsibilities to others.  Not saying they've given up, but you can't expect them to be able to put so much in and still maintain the drive, as it's draining - we saw that when Farke got sacked, I'm not sure any of them were comfortable with it.

I think their ethics and standards remain as they're passionate regarding the togetherness of the club, but it could be argued that the Webbers have taken advantage of that for personal gains and as a result been allowed to created a bubble from which delusions of grandeur have formed.

It could also be argued that Stuart unwittingly attempted to take credit for how another persons child turned out in this recent interview, and further demonstrates how easily you can become wrapped up in your own self importance.

[Mengo 823]

55 minutes ago, Google Bot said:

I suggest that this could be more due to the age of our owners and them preferring to distribute responsibilities to others.  Not saying they've given up, but you can't expect them to be able to put so much in and still maintain the drive, as it's draining - we saw that when Farke got sacked, I'm not sure any of them were comfortable with it.

I think their ethics and standards remain as they're passionate regarding the togetherness of the club, but it could be argued that the Webbers have taken advantage of that for personal gains and as a result been allowed to created a bubble from which delusions of grandeur have formed.

It could also be argued that Stuart unwittingly attempted to take credit for how another persons child turned out in this recent interview, and further demonstrates how easily you can become wrapped up in your own self importance.

An excellent  post GB. Many points to think about. Unwittingly attempted  to take credit , self importance,  That little listing probably only just demonstrates ; why delusions of grandeur can be formed. 😉🤔

[essex canary 496]

1 hour ago, Google Bot said:

I suggest that this could be more due to the age of our owners and them preferring to distribute responsibilities to others.  Not saying they've given up, but you can't expect them to be able to put so much in and still maintain the drive, as it's draining - we saw that when Farke got sacked, I'm not sure any of them were comfortable with it.

I think their ethics and standards remain as they're passionate regarding the togetherness of the club, but it could be argued that the Webbers have taken advantage of that for personal gains and as a result been allowed to created a bubble from which delusions of grandeur have formed.

It could also be argued that Stuart unwittingly attempted to take credit for how another persons child turned out in this recent interview, and further demonstrates how easily you can become wrapped up in your own self importance.

I think that is fairly accurate. In a sense though I can almost feel a little sympathy for Stu. If he wanted to say that personally he wasn't a great fan of Women's Football or that Men's Football is a great way of keeping our young men on the straight and narrow, there is nothing wrong with that. Perhaps the divorcee comment is a reflection of the fact that his missus earning 4 times as much as a Cabinet Minister hasn't helped him say it in the right way and hasn't tuned into the fans either when presumably she is supposed to be the general business brain?

As for S&J, it is clearly much harder in their early 80's than in their late 50"s but the manner in which they are holding the anachronistic shareholder scheme hostage to maintain parity with MA simply isn't fair on the fans. Ditto the highest ticket prices in the country at Championship level. It simply doesn't accord with their initial ownership pledges to fans.

[Google Bot 3,278]

55 minutes ago, essex canary said:

Ditto the highest ticket prices in the country at Championship level. It simply doesn't accord with their initial ownership pledges to fans.

I'd imagine they feed from the advice provided by staff employed, and their primary responsibility is to ensure that we remain solvent so any revenue stream has to be utilised.

They must be doing something right as we're one of the most consistently well attended clubs, plus picking up rewards for fan engagement.

We could opt to target mid-table championship level, cut back on outgoings and thus make things more affordable for fans.  But is that what the majority want?

In fact, does the majority of our fan base even attend matches?  I haven't a clue how big our fan-base is on a greater scale.  So, in regards to pledges, a season ticket holder may have different needs versus someone who gets their engagement via social media (youtube etc) level.

Edited March 26 by Google Bot

[TIL 1010 4,750]

This has wandered way off topic and yet again guess by who and his multi agenda against the club and those involved in running it.

[GodlyOtsemobor 2,326]

3 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

.... What exactly does Gaza have to do with Webber?

Maybe Webber saved him from his life of drink and road to prison? 🤷 Who knows 😉

[essex canary 496]

38 minutes ago, Google Bot said:

I'd imagine they feed from the advice provided by staff employed, and their primary responsibility is to ensure that we remain solvent so any revenue stream has to be utilised.

They must be doing something right as we're one of the most consistently well attended clubs, plus picking up rewards for fan engagement.

We could opt to target mid-table championship level, cut back on outgoings and thus make things more affordable for fans.  But is that what the majority want?

In fact, does the majority of our fan base even attend matches?  I haven't a clue how big our fan-base is on a greater scale.  So, in regards to pledges, a season ticket holder may have different needs versus someone who gets their engagement via social media (youtube etc) level.

Feeding from the advice to a certain extent means not challenging the delusions of grandeur.

None of these fan engagement surveys analyse the underlying quality. The lead Matchday Programme Notes being a case in point.

[Monty13 2,235]

1 hour ago, GodlyOtsemobor said:

Maybe Webber saved him from his life of drink and road to prison? 🤷 Who knows 😉

He didn’t stop Flynn Clarke, I do find it rather ironic that one of his youth signings is actually in prison (well house arrest now). Must have been his upbringing as a young black man on the mean streets of Peterborough.

[Google Bot 3,278]

4 minutes ago, essex canary said:

Feeding from the advice to a certain extent means not challenging the delusions of grandeur.

I'd agree with that, but they have challenged it by placing Stu on gardening leave and bought someone who appears to be much more grounded and self aware in Knapper.

What we may not know is the reasoning for Stu to step down and how much of that was a group decision but publicly painted as his decision.  Delia/MWJ clearly well within the bubble and emotionally involved with both the Webbers, but hopefully that chapter is closed now and Zoe can gain respect as her own person again.

[essex canary 496]

1 hour ago, Google Bot said:

I'd agree with that, but they have challenged it by placing Stu on gardening leave and bought someone who appears to be much more grounded and self aware in Knapper.

What we may not know is the reasoning for Stu to step down and how much of that was a group decision but publicly painted as his decision.  Delia/MWJ clearly well within the bubble and emotionally involved with both the Webbers, but hopefully that chapter is closed now and Zoe can gain respect as her own person again.

Agreed that Knapper certainly seems to be a step in the right direction.

[The Real Buh 3,444]

Jelly and ice cream when Zoe leaves

[littleyellowbirdie 2,551]

1 hour ago, The Real Buh said:

Jelly and ice cream when Zoe leaves

Kool-Aid would be more appropriate.

[wcorkcanary 4,334]

19 hours ago, Yobocop said:

Can anyone make any sense of this comment? 

Only Ethics, he lives in a bubble of his own creation, occasionally he bumps into something that does not get out of his way ( he has a few quid, dontchya know).....and he just cannot handle it. Its great.

[wcorkcanary 4,334]

10 hours ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

Kool-Aid would be more appropriate.

Electric Kool Aid ? now that would be interesting.

 

[wcorkcanary 4,334]

14 hours ago, Google Bot said:

What we may not know is the reasoning for Stu to step down and how much of that was a group decision but publicly painted as his decision.  Delia/MWJ clearly well within the bubble and emotionally involved with both the Webbers, but hopefully that chapter is closed now and Zoe can gain respect as her own person again.

Is that taken from an Emmerdale fan page?

[Google Bot 3,278]

47 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

Is that taken from an Emmerdale fan page?

It's part of my Norwich City fan fiction on Patreon.  Next week a staff member returns in their final week of employment, which results in sticky fingers in the boardroom after someone close delivers a surprising blow. 👍

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

On 26/03/2024 at 03:55, MC_NCFC said:

And the people of Norwich who are mostly condemning the comments by our ex DOF.

A positive has been the ability to see the comments debated about with an overwhelming ‘this is wrong/racist/prejudice’ etc. It does show how society is more understanding of the difficulties of the black community and how damaging casual racism is. 

As always there as some people who don’t quite get it, but I hope upon reflection they will realise their misunderstandings of the situation. As always it’s those that are most furthest away from the black community who are unable to relate. Those that haven’t been able to experience, speak with those affected first hand. 

By talking about a black community into which you have placed all black people you fall unto exactly the same trap as Stuart Webber. 

Racism won't disappear until you see a person as a unique individual and not as a member of some racial community over which you can patronise 

[Bobzilla 145]

On 26/03/2024 at 12:42, Yobocop said:

Can anyone make any sense of this comment? 

Only with a bit of background knowledge…

[Mr Angry 1,563]

Yeah, it’s refreshing to see almost universal condemnation of his comments on here. However, some of the personal comments about him-and his wife-are over the top as far as I’m concerned.

[MC_NCFC 67]

6 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

By talking about a black community into which you have placed all black people you fall unto exactly the same trap as Stuart Webber. 

Racism won't disappear until you see a person as a unique individual and not as a member of some racial community over which you can patronise 

You’ve tried to be clever here but the fact is it’s been classed as racist. I agree we shouldn’t treat or categorise human beings.

But the fact is some human beings on the basis of their skin colour have been treated historically diabolically and continued language, behaviour towards them by people of different skin colours even when they feel in good faith shows we have a long way to go. 

Humans can be good/bad/something in between and whatever your skin colour have different personality traits that enable success or failure in life. Some of these humans, again of all skin colours and creeds sometimes come from more difficult backgrounds. They maybe poor, they maybe don’t experience love or support, they may be surrounded by bad people, they may have limited local employment opportunities but some of people do find ways to not have a ‘prescribed’ future even when life is made incredibly difficult. 
 

The main issue with Webber is he had assumed prescription of a group of people. People he had met but still decided they were the same. This is horrendous and shows that he doesn’t care or get to know these young people. He doesn’t have a clue and decides he’s a saviour by setting up a charity for disadvantaged people.

My message to Stuart - go meet real disadvantaged people, find out what would really help them, create pathways and support networks. He will quickly find out some of these people are just human beings and that’s it.