There is only one way this plays out by the sound of it

[ged in the onion bag 856]

6 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

Who is Tim Pot and what role does he play? Perhaps an obscure foreign coach we are going to reveal after Wagner is sacked?

Isn’t he a dictators son!    Definitely not a socialist!    PS … I like socialists.

[In my blood 37]

Most fans are not happy with short term pain for long term gain. And it is hard to follow a team that is so poorly coached

I think Attanasio is thinking along those lines as well though, so, I think, for the time being, maybe this season into next, nothing radical will happen. In my limited experience of football, we will lose fans both old and upcoming new football supporters as they will be attracted elsewhere.

[Michael Starr 520]

If Ipswich fail to beat us this season, it will be the ultimate humiliation for them.

[Indy 3,314]

I’m past the point of caring, Wagners in charge the players are under contract, the owners have made the move towards change and Knappers in now! There’s nothing to be gained by getting frustrated that this club doesn’t have a plan in replacements! Smith was regardless of Webbers comments a on spot appointment who was sacked after we sackedFarke!

I had hoped Knapper would bring in some young fringe coaches with good talent and make the change during the international break! But it looks like he’s just taken the job and will just bed in without any major changes just yet! So be it!

[cambridgeshire canary 6,782]

36 minutes ago, Michael Starr said:

If Ipswich fail to beat us this season, it will be the ultimate humiliation for them.

Other than spending almost five seasons in the third divison and having to buy their way out and not even finish first? Other than having been stuck in the second divison for fifteen years? Other than not beating us in fourteen years?

And you wonder why they're such a sad, bitter and miserable bunch of weirdos. There's nothing that can ever take away any of that. They've had more than twenty years of pain, embarrassment and humiliation. But don't worry most of their fanbase will happily tell you that they're a "huge and massive" club with eyes full of tears beacause they won a couple trophies before they were born all while ignoring the fact that all of the teenagers and kids in their fanbase have never even once seen their team play in the top flight.

Edited November 14, 2023 by cambridgeshire canary

[The Dog 19]

48 minutes ago, ged in the onion bag said:

You do realise it’s a local Derby!   They are never predictable.    Right so here’s a question for you and I’d be intrigued to hear thoughts…..

Right now, given our clubs recent recruitment of players and managers (and since Ben Knapper has, to my knowledge, never had to appoint a manager before) who at Norwich City would you trust right now to appoint Wagners replacement.   
 

Think about that.    We’d be better holding fire until Ben Knapper can settle in, find his feet, sort out a philosophy… then appoint someone.    At the moment, they wouldn’t have they faintest idea who or why to bring in.

If he goes, better off appointing Neil Adams on an interim basis.  

What about when McNally came in fired Gunn straight away…. It didn’t work out too badly did it? 

[crispeduk 282]

35 minutes ago, Indy said:

I’m past the point of caring, Wagners in charge the players are under contract, the owners have made the move towards change and Knappers in now! There’s nothing to be gained by getting frustrated that this club doesn’t have a plan in replacements! Smith was regardless of Webbers comments a on spot appointment who was sacked after we sackedFarke!

I had hoped Knapper would bring in some young fringe coaches with good talent and make the change during the international break! But it looks like he’s just taken the job and will just bed in without any major changes just yet! So be it!

Agree Indy and timing is the key. And if Knapper’s as smart as we all hope he is, given his past, he’ll be sharp enough to know that a whizz of a young Arsenal coach will have ideas way above the technical abilities of many of our players. That’s not an insult to our squad, that’s reality right now. Almost every coach in football gets dumped sooner or later but unless there is a clear succession plan unknown to us, sacking Wagner now could do more damage than good. Forget the injuries, forget the line-up gambles and baffling substitutions, continue the spirit shown at Cardiff and things could look very different come derby day – both clubs have an international break and five games to go before then, plenty of time for things to go right (and wrong) for both sides,. I’d happily take a random defender clipping in a City winner from the edge of the area – would be funny. 🤩

[littleyellowbirdie 2,582]

[Capt. Pants 4,274]

50 minutes ago, Michael Starr said:

If Ipswich fail to beat us this season, it will be the ultimate humiliation for them.

At home possibly but there's a long way to go between now and the April return.

 

 

[Europe_93 11]

I'm thinking if we win at Portman Road, in one of our darkest periods, Ipswich will lose all hope of ever beating us again... the equivalent of a Klose equaliser but drawn out over months / years hopefully.

[7HAR1980 109]

4 hours ago, S_81 said:

No. But there’s a difference between being competitive and giving your all yet losing, and the recent abject performances we’ve seen from the team under Wagner. If the latter takes us to Portman Road then I can see us losing by three clear goals and it being a genuine humiliation - which is very different to the former. 

Humiliating is when you haven't beaten your fiercest rivals in 13 years! 

This will never happen again in our life time.

We've enjoyed it, basked in it, if it's to end this season then so be it! 

They will never come close to eclipsing that 13 years so stop the bed wetting.

[Robert N. LiM 4,468]

1 hour ago, Europe_93 said:

I'm thinking if we win at Portman Road, in one of our darkest periods, Ipswich will lose all hope of ever beating us again... the equivalent of a Klose equaliser but drawn out over months / years hopefully.

Yeah, it will be "Oh no, how awful! When are they ever going to beat them?" turned up to 11. Especially if it's a late Brandon Williams og that gets us a point, or even three...

[hogesar 9,724]

2 hours ago, The Dog said:

What about when McNally came in fired Gunn straight away…. It didn’t work out too badly did it? 

Not really equivalent though, since McNally had experience as Managing Director of Fulham and had already been involved in managerial-choosing decisions. Knapper has not.

[Robert N. LiM 4,468]

34 minutes ago, hogesar said:

Not really equivalent though, since McNally had experience as Managing Director of Fulham and had already been involved in managerial-choosing decisions. Knapper has not.

And since Gunn was a ridiculous appointment from the outset*, whereas Wagner is an experienced coach with real achievements on his CV (as well as some less impressive moments, for sure). Can't imagine it took McNally long to establish that Gunn needed to go (iirc the stories about the unprofessionalism of training were pretty eye-watering), with or without his MD experience.

 

*Feel that whenever I mention Gunn's disastrous stint as our manager, I should also mention that he remains one of my favourite-ever NCFC players. Indeed, the hit to his reputation as a Norwich legend caused by his unsuitability for the manager's job was (just) one reason why I was furious he was appointed.

[S_81 833]

4 hours ago, hogesar said:

Harsh on Attanassio, and even harsher to assume that Knapper is so weak that one of his main jobs (deciding the manager) has already been taken out of his hands and he's willing to risk his entire career as an SD on it.

Some people really don't think before they post such utter tripe.

If Knapper had such independence why was Delia on the phone reassuring Wagner?

[S_81 833]

1 hour ago, 7HAR1980 said:

Humiliating is when you haven't beaten your fiercest rivals in 13 years! 

This will never happen again in our life time.

We've enjoyed it, basked in it, if it's to end this season then so be it! 

They will never come close to eclipsing that 13 years so stop the bed wetting.

It’s been a great run, and humiliating for them. Doesn’t mean that if they spank us in a one off game it isn’t a humiliation in its own right. Or are you seeking excuses already if so?

[hogesar 9,724]

4 minutes ago, S_81 said:

If Knapper had such independence why was Delia on the phone reassuring Wagner?

Because Knapper hadn't started his job yet. However, like Webber, he is given full SD remit and like Webber, can hire, fire and sack managers. That much was made clear in Southwell's response to PurpleCanary's questions around the appointment. 

Whilst this changeover was happening, our owners trying to instil confidence into a current employee is the correct cause of action - and vindicated by a win on Saturday.

[S_81 833]

Just now, hogesar said:

Because Knapper hadn't started his job yet. However, like Webber, he is given full SD remit and like Webber, can hire, fire and sack managers. That much was made clear in Southwell's response to PurpleCanary's questions around the appointment. 

Whilst this changeover was happening, our owners trying to instil confidence into a current employee is the correct cause of action - and vindicated by a win on Saturday.

I disagree. They overstepped the mark with that call. Knapper was starting on Monday and if he had true independence then the call was therefore meaningless, or on the flip side could be perceived as being influencing. 

[Ken Hairy 3,779]

2 hours ago, 7HAR1980 said:

Humiliating is when you haven't beaten your fiercest rivals in 13 years! 

This will never happen again in our life time.

We've enjoyed it, basked in it, if it's to end this season then so be it! 

They will never come close to eclipsing that 13 years so stop the bed wetting.

Playing devils advocate, we've not beaten them in just under 5 years.....😉

[hogesar 9,724]

5 minutes ago, S_81 said:

I disagree. They overstepped the mark with that call. Knapper was starting on Monday and if he had true independence then the call was therefore meaningless, or on the flip side could be perceived as being influencing. 

If you think that little of Knapper then just say so. If you think he's staked his entire Sporting Director career on a SD role where he can't even dictate who the manager is (pretty much one of the biggest roles in the continental SD position) then say so. Rather than trying to twist and blame the same people you try to at every turn.

[S_81 833]

7 minutes ago, hogesar said:

If you think that little of Knapper then just say so. If you think he's staked his entire Sporting Director career on a SD role where he can't even dictate who the manager is (pretty much one of the biggest roles in the continental SD position) then say so. Rather than trying to twist and blame the same people you try to at every turn.

I’m not questioning the integrity of the man. I’m questioning the parameters that are set upon his arrival. My opinion is the owners don’t want to pay severance at this point or happen to like David Wagner on a personal level. I think both those things are playing a factor but if we lose to QPR I’ll be very interested indeed to see how the above aligns. 

[BigFish 1,988]

4 minutes ago, S_81 said:

I’m not questioning the integrity of the man. I’m questioning the parameters that are set upon his arrival. My opinion is the owners don’t want to pay severance at this point or happen to like David Wagner on a personal level. I think both those things are playing a factor but if we lose to QPR I’ll be very interested indeed to see how the above aligns. 

,.....and if we win?

[The Raptor 1,231]

Some of those players have been injured for months. There's been plenty of time to come up with a plan B. Every team gets Injuries. It's part of the game.

[S_81 833]

Just now, BigFish said:

,.....and if we win?

If we win then they’ll keep Wagner. Would a victory over QPR (and Cardiff) change my mind re Wagner? No. I don’t think he’s tactically capable enough to get this squad to the higher point of the table that it needs to be in. Nor do I think he’s the man to get the most out of the January window or next summer. He’s no Farke. He’s not going to come good given enough time. I’d rather we got rid before Portman Road and made an appointment that led us to be truly competitive there and with a boss who can work with Knapper and the limited funds come January. 
 

[PurpleCanary 5,580]

It is pretty simple. Only idiots and those who delight in always thinking the worst of the club are reading anything into the blandly non-committal stuff Adams came out with last night. Given the current circumstances, Knapper is in a very strong position coming into the club as a fully-fledged sporting director, and if he wants Wagner sacked then that is what will happen.

[littleyellowbirdie 2,582]

50 minutes ago, S_81 said:

If Knapper had such independence why was Delia on the phone reassuring Wagner?

Promotion is a write off this season, so unless there starts to be a serious risk of relegation there's no point rushing any decision given the players clearly have confidence in the manager.

[hogesar 9,724]

28 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

It is pretty simple. Only idiots and those who delight in always thinking the worst of the club are reading anything into the blandly non-committal stuff Adams came out with last night. Given the current circumstances, Knapper is in a very strong position coming into the club as a fully-fledged sporting director, and if he wants Wagner sacked then that is what will happen.

Exactly this. It shouldn't because I've been on this forum long enough but it astounds me that others do not realise this.

[wcorkcanary 4,337]

11 hours ago, Bert said:

Either are you you fen@@@ @@@@@@@

Stupid boy. Go sit on your potty, oh , you're  eating from  it. 

PS please translate your post, Cretin. ..as proved by your very stupid self , once again. You look far less stupid when you don't try to take anyone on. Stick to posting guff about Delia etc as she almost certainly doesnt read this board .....which is what I was referring to when I said ' round here'.. which I am at the moment . 

Ye gods  you are dim.

[wcorkcanary 4,337]

2 hours ago, S_81 said:

I’m not questioning the integrity of the man. I’m questioning the parameters that are set upon his arrival. My opinion is the owners don’t want to pay severance at this point or happen to like David Wagner on a personal level. I think both those things are playing a factor but if we lose to QPR I’ll be very interested indeed to see how the above aligns. 

If, but , maybe.  How do you manage to get out of bed in the Morn'ing? What exactly are these parameters  ?  are they real or imagined or is parameters not the right word? 

[wcorkcanary 4,337]

9 hours ago, Terminally Yellow said:

Are you ok?

He's  better than usual.  Managed a three word non sentence... that's good going by his standards.