PurpleCanary 5,578 Posted May 26, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Capt. Pants said: A single player cannot fix a match. They might be able to influence it but even then it's tenuous. Not sure that is true of goalkeepers. And there have been some suspicions in the past on those lines. Edited May 26, 2023 by PurpleCanary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,566 Posted May 26, 2023 (edited) Is PUPpower match fixing? Edited May 26, 2023 by nutty nigel 💪🏿💪💪🏿💪💪🏿💪🙃🙃🙃 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Raptor 1,231 Posted May 26, 2023 He knows the rules. Yet he still bet on football despite there being numerous other things to gamble on. He bet on games involving his own team. Fans of those clubs must be glad to be rid of him. He's match fixing scum. What an embarrassment. I can't see why the ban was more lenient because he admitted he had an addiction. If that's still the case he needs to get professional help before he has anything at all to do with football again. If he can prove that between now and the end of next season he's not made a single bet then he can start preseason. Not before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alfie54 76 Posted May 26, 2023 2 hours ago, king canary said: Not while he was playing for them though- so he couldn't have any influence over the result. Obviously against the rules and he's an idiot for doing it but it isn't close to anything that could be considered match fixing. Suggestion was that he may be aware of injuries etc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Foggo 1,116 Posted May 26, 2023 The commission looking into this cleared him of all match fixing allegations. He is not the first nor will be the last to get addicted to gambling and is getting professional help. An 8 month ban is a long time away from your club and colleagues, so a fitting punishment. I wish him well... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,654 Posted May 26, 2023 24 minutes ago, Alfie54 said: Suggestion was that he may be aware of injuries etc Yeah he clearly has insider knowledge that he can use to his advantage, hence why betting on your own team is a big no-no. I believe he was also letting his mates know if he was starting games well ahead of time so they could on him to score at longer odds. But when you see 'bet on his own team to lose' as lots of these headlines are going with it does suggest match fixing which clearly isn't the case here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terminally Yellow 2,477 Posted May 26, 2023 6 hours ago, Mason 47 said: I'm definitely still more on the 'plum' side than 'poor chap' side Rules are very clear and he's been a footballer for over a decade. Yes because addicts follow rules, don't they? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terminally Yellow 2,477 Posted May 26, 2023 3 hours ago, The Raptor said: He knows the rules. Yet he still bet on football despite there being numerous other things to gamble on. He bet on games involving his own team. Fans of those clubs must be glad to be rid of him. He's match fixing scum. What an embarrassment. I can't see why the ban was more lenient because he admitted he had an addiction. If that's still the case he needs to get professional help before he has anything at all to do with football again. If he can prove that between now and the end of next season he's not made a single bet then he can start preseason. Not before. A post less lacking in compassion and empathy you are unlikely to ever see, even from the absolute wagamuffins on this forum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mason 47 1,391 Posted May 26, 2023 26 minutes ago, Terminally Yellow said: Yes because addicts follow rules, don't they? My post was for a lack of sympathy for the level of punishment. I'm intimately aware of the destructive nature of addictions. As others have said, there's plenty of things to bet on. The one rule is 'if you are a footballer, don't bet on football' which seems reasonable to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted May 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Terminally Yellow said: Yes because addicts follow rules, don't they? Which addicts? And not following them is OK then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,771 Posted May 26, 2023 Seems he has decided to enter his Cantwell phase.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PockthorpePete 331 Posted May 26, 2023 5 hours ago, PurpleCanary said: Not sure that is true of goalkeepers. And there have been some suspicions in the past on those lines. As here with Dave Beasant who has never had any connection to John Fashanu and his 'questionable' stuff, no siree Chelsea two up at half time. I wonder what odds you would have got on City winning from there ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 4,969 Posted May 27, 2023 16 hours ago, Capt. Pants said: A single player cannot fix a match. They might be able to influence it but even then it's tenuous. Hans Seger did quite a good job of it. Allegedly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terminally Yellow 2,477 Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Mason 47 said: My post was for a lack of sympathy for the level of punishment. I'm intimately aware of the destructive nature of addictions. As others have said, there's plenty of things to bet on. The one rule is 'if you are a footballer, don't bet on football' which seems reasonable to me. It's like you're telling a heroin addict to take cocaine instead. It's not reasonable, sensible, compassionate or realistic whatsoever. Edited May 27, 2023 by Terminally Yellow 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taiwan Canary 144 Posted May 27, 2023 It's also like being a heroin addict whose job requires them to be surrounded by adverts for heroin in every place they look. Betting is a blight on the game and I hope betting advertising is banned as soon as possible. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwearyCanary 1,179 Posted May 28, 2023 On 26/05/2023 at 20:21, cambridgeshire canary said: Seems he has decided to enter his Cantwell phase.. Not really cryptic though is it? I’d hate for my only source of attention to be reposting guff on a forum. Each to their own. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,298 Posted May 28, 2023 Tovey's an addict....but at least he can afford it.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aBee 151 Posted May 28, 2023 On 26/05/2023 at 11:57, cambridgeshire canary said: OK so we all know about his ban and the gambling blah blah... But whats come out today is that he bet on the team he plays for to lose on 13 occasions. Dear oh dear🤣 Those were almost all bets against Newcastle when he was on loan elsewhere. He never bet against a team he was playing for and in the matchday squad. Most of his bets in games he was involved in were on him to score and the others were on the team to win. He didn’t bet on any Brentford games while at the club. Section 8 of the report sets it out clearly. Still all bad and wrong but worth some accuracy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hank shoots Skyler 2,094 Posted May 28, 2023 Given the FA have came out and said this isn’t a case of match fixing / Toney didn’t or couldn’t have had any influence over the games he bet on, other than betting on himself to score which you can’t exactly ‘fix’ in a game, this OP is very misleading and you can immediately see the impact it has on responses for posters who didn’t realise the full context. The ban is fine, but I don’t understand the extent of which he’s banned from football ‘activities’. I get not being allowed to play competitively, but seems like he’s not even allowed to train? Really bizarre and OTT 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
