Do you think Footballers have a duty as role models to be va

[Indy 3,476]

Just reading over 25% aren’t getting jabbed, it sends a poor message to fans. Do you think clubs should make it mandatory to be vaccinated? 🤔

Difficult but given the influence of footballers and high profile sports personalities do they have the duty to get vaccinated, media is a key driver.

[cambridgeshire canary 7,804]

'Do you think clubs should make it mandatory to be vaccinated'

 

And how will they enforce it? Go kicking in door to door and drag people to the doctors against their will?

[fredherring 136]

Only if you're a facist. 

Not one footballer will die from covid. 

The vaccines don't stop spread. 

You're advocating the removal of body autonomy and personal freedom for a sniffle. 

Panic it appears is more easily spread than covid.

When someone ever asks you how the German people allowed, and participated, in **** germany, you can point to your suggestion of enforcing unwanted injections as an example of how people think. 

[PurpleCanary 6,389]

3 minutes ago, Indy said:

Just reading over 25% aren’t getting jabbed, it sends a poor message to fans. Do you think clubs should make it mandatory to be vaccinated? 🤔

Difficult but given the influence of footballers and high profile sports personalities do they have the duty to get vaccinated, media is a key driver.

No, not mandatory to be vaccinated, but any who refuse to be vaccinated should be in effect barred from the club and told to self-isolate until they get jabbed, on the grounds that they are a potential danger to others.

[Capt. Pants 5,015]

Liverpool have 100% double jabbed and several with boosters. 

Aren't the NHS bringing in compulsory vaccination next April?

If vaccination is a requirement to watch then it should be a requirement to play.

[Wings of a Sparrow 1,708]

Since when have footballers been role models?

[Thumbbass 367]

18 minutes ago, fredherring said:

Only if you're a facist. 

Not one footballer will die from covid. 

The vaccines don't stop spread. 

You're advocating the removal of body autonomy and personal freedom for a sniffle. 

Panic it appears is more easily spread than covid.

When someone ever asks you how the German people allowed, and participated, in **** germany, you can point to your suggestion of enforcing unwanted injections as an example of how people think. 

Fred the flat earth bin man wears a tin foil hat, something about corr blimey trousers, and posts nonsense like a pr4t

[sgncfc 1,332]

1 minute ago, Capt. Pants said:

If vaccination is a requirement to watch then it should be a requirement to play.

But it isn't, yet. You can still show a negative test which is what all footballers have to do.

I've never understood why we try to suggest that footballers, entertainers, TV people etc should be role models. My idols when I was growing up were the naughty ones....

[Hairy Canary 756]

25 minutes ago, fredherring said:

When someone ever asks you how the German people allowed, and participated, in **** germany, you can point to your suggestion of enforcing unwanted injections as an example of how people think. 

When someone ever asks you why there was a surge in measles, mumps and rubella around the turn of the century because a percentage of parents stopped vacinating their children you can point to misinformation spread on social media by anti-vax activists. 

[AJ 1,359]

It's a tricky one but in reality is is possible it could become a requirement for participation to ensure the safety of others. The Australian Open next year for example is going to require all players to be vaccinated 

[Norfolk Dan 336]

33 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Liverpool have 100% double jabbed and several with boosters. 

Aren't the NHS bringing in compulsory vaccination next April?

If vaccination is a requirement to watch then it should be a requirement to play.

And (if) when you or anyone you care for needs a heart surgeon and you find out 25% of them are sacked as of 1st April and you are now in a queue for the remaining 75% working, will you take an unvaccinated one? 

To be clear. I care not if you are v or non v. It matters not to me. Just I have invested years of my life and paid for a service in the NHS and from April 1st the service will break beyond repair from this one decision point in time. You will be shocked when people you would never expect just walk out. I will be one of them, you are prewarned of your views that are creating division where those on the other side are happy to serve you v or not. It's a dangerous path you are walking... 

 

[Midlands Yellow 4,682]

1 hour ago, Capt. Pants said:

Liverpool have 100% double jabbed and several with boosters. 

Aren't the NHS bringing in compulsory vaccination next April?

If vaccination is a requirement to watch then it should be a requirement to play.

Yes they are, we have until April 1st to be double jabbed. Not as bad as footballers but last I read 10% have refused so far. 

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

1 hour ago, Norfolk Dan said:

And (if) when you or anyone you care for needs a heart surgeon and you find out 25% of them are sacked as of 1st April and you are now in a queue for the remaining 75% working, will you take an unvaccinated one? 

To be clear. I care not if you are v or non v. It matters not to me. Just I have invested years of my life and paid for a service in the NHS and from April 1st the service will break beyond repair from this one decision point in time. You will be shocked when people you would never expect just walk out. I will be one of them, you are prewarned of your views that are creating division where those on the other side are happy to serve you v or not. It's a dangerous path you are walking... 

 

But aren't you prevented from certain things within the NHS if you do not have a Hepatitis B injection?

[Well b back 3,606]

3 hours ago, fredherring said:

Only if you're a facist. 

Not one footballer will die from covid. 

The vaccines don't stop spread. 

You're advocating the removal of body autonomy and personal freedom for a sniffle. 

Panic it appears is more easily spread than covid.

When someone ever asks you how the German people allowed, and participated, in **** germany, you can point to your suggestion of enforcing unwanted injections as an example of how people think. 

Will you be attending the vaccination site I am working at over the weekend, calling us murderers, ripping our ‘ muzzles ‘ off, threatening us and our families, telling us we will be tried and hung as per Nuremberg ?Maybe not, but because of where I am I will be called a murderer 4 or 5 times.

Maybe you should pay a quick visit to a COVID ICU ward, not only would you s*** yourself, but you would be quite shocked at what you saw.
The vaccines are not designed to protect the spread, where they do as they did with Delta that is a bonus, but protect from serious illness. Panic is something when an unvaccinated person is admitted to a COVID ward and they start begging for the vaccine. The panic ( and tears ) set in when they are told ‘ to late ‘.

I respect everybodies view on wether or not they think they should have the vaccines, but from the evidence I see I would beg you all to get your boosters, and those who are not vaccinated I can assure you should you change your mind you will be welcomed to any site. 
By the way there have been many footballers seriously ill, but I don’t suppose you will be mentioning them.

Edited December 17, 2021 by Well b back

[Capt. Pants 5,015]

1 hour ago, Norfolk Dan said:

And (if) when you or anyone you care for needs a heart surgeon and you find out 25% of them are sacked as of 1st April and you are now in a queue for the remaining 75% working, will you take an unvaccinated one? 

To be clear. I care not if you are v or non v. It matters not to me. Just I have invested years of my life and paid for a service in the NHS and from April 1st the service will break beyond repair from this one decision point in time. You will be shocked when people you would never expect just walk out. I will be one of them, you are prewarned of your views that are creating division where those on the other side are happy to serve you v or not. It's a dangerous path you are walking... 

 

My use of the NHS as an example was just to demonstrate that for certain occupations it will be made compulsory. For the record I don't approve of that simply because of the impacts it could have on the NHS.

Personally I'm not bothered either way about footballers but we're all being encouraged to get vaccinated and so should they.

 

[Norfolk Dan 336]

1 minute ago, keelansgrandad said:

But aren't you prevented from certain things within the NHS if you do not have a Hepatitis B injection?

True and other jabs. 

Just pointing out that this is being presented very differently as we are clearly all experiencing. 

Do you need the v for me to care for you? Nope, because oaths are taken and people are treated with care they deserve, simply no matter what. Ever asked anyone who pulled into your place of work if the have AIDS? 

I am allowed to ask for declaration of anything they wish to declare, but I am required care and treat, regardless.

Simply its the people in this situation are being lead by a political movement that has zero to do with your health, that proved by the absolute zero respect and zero fear they have from this virus and will party in office and cheer for the hard work on a Wednesday night. If anyone chooses to support them with this, your are free to do so, as I am free to walk away from a job I can do that may change your health if I was still in a job from 1st April.

The way I see it. It's a choice between your NHS working and staffed or a MP in a job and a bigger mess than you ever could imagine you choose... 

[Well b back 3,606]

22 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

But aren't you prevented from certain things within the NHS if you do not have a Hepatitis B injection?

Indeed

We are also being asked not to have and attend gatherings not just to protect ourselves but to protect the public by not all being absent with COVID. If the NHS is overwhelmed and was to become selection should the doctors put unvaccinated to the back of the queue ?

By the way I don’t think it will as I expect the vaccines to hold up against serious disease.

[canarydan23 4,769]

6 minutes ago, Norfolk Dan said:

True and other jabs. 

Just pointing out that this is being presented very differently as we are clearly all experiencing. 

Do you need the v for me to care for you? Nope, because oaths are taken and people are treated with care they deserve, simply no matter what. Ever asked anyone who pulled into your place of work if the have AIDS? 

I am allowed to ask for declaration of anything they wish to declare, but I am required care and treat, regardless.

Simply its the people in this situation are being lead by a political movement that has zero to do with your health, that proved by the absolute zero respect and zero fear they have from this virus and will party in office and cheer for the hard work on a Wednesday night. If anyone chooses to support them with this, your are free to do so, as I am free to walk away from a job I can do that may change your health if I was still in a job from 1st April.

The way I see it. It's a choice between your NHS working and staffed or a MP in a job and a bigger mess than you ever could imagine you choose... 

According to Javid, 90% of frontline NHS staff are double-jabbed. That's before it's mandatory (like Hep B).

I suspect the majority of those 10% will get jabbed instead of losing their job, so the idea that 25% of staff will be sacked or a quarter of surgeons will no longer be available isn't realistic.

[Norfolk Dan 336]

6 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

My use of the NHS as an example was just to demonstrate that for certain occupations it will be made compulsory. For the record I don't approve of that simply because of the impacts it could have on the NHS.

Personally I'm not bothered either way about footballers but we're all being encouraged to get vaccinated and so should they.

 

Thanks for the reply. 

These idiots voted in your parliament to kick people out of the NHS on 1st April. That's is what happened this week. 

In so many ways I can't wait for it to crash. This who system is broken and it does not take a heart surgeon to tell your soul that! 

 

[Norfolk Dan 336]

1 minute ago, canarydan23 said:

According to Javid, 90% of frontline NHS staff are double-jabbed. That's before it's mandatory (like Hep B).

I suspect the majority of those 10% will get jabbed instead of losing their job, so the idea that 25% of staff will be sacked or a quarter of surgeons will no longer be available isn't realistic.

Again MP's or your friendly heart surgeon ... You choose..... 

[canarydan23 4,769]

Just now, Norfolk Dan said:

Again MP's or your friendly heart surgeon ... You choose..... 

That's a choice that doesn't exist outside of your post.

[Capt. Pants 5,015]

4 minutes ago, Norfolk Dan said:

Thanks for the reply. 

These idiots voted in your parliament to kick people out of the NHS on 1st April. That's is what happened this week. 

In so many ways I can't wait for it to crash. This who system is broken and it does not take a heart surgeon to tell your soul that! 

 

Crikey I must have been in a cave. I didn't realise that was voted through only yesterday, thought it was ages ago.

In light of what is about to hit the UK and the fallout of that afterwards in terms of NHS 'services' it's idiotic. But nothing surprises me with the clowns in government.

[Norfolk Dan 336]

2 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

That's a choice that doesn't exist outside of your post.

Always a choice. 

Defend what you treasure or lose it. 

What do you value more, your broken political system or the NHS....

I will make my stand, I leave behind years of study and years of experience to a medical policy approved by a bunch of MP's with zero medical background. Regardless of your "v point" freedom of choice remains mine, and I will exercise it. 

You have to live with risk. This has gotten so out of control it's crazy, this is no longer a medical pandemic it's a political one. Those that start to see that your elected MPs are more dangerous that your anti vax mate the pub the sooner we will start moving in the right direction... In fact if anyone knows that guy... I might even buy him a pint!  

[Jambomo 215]

4 hours ago, Norfolk Dan said:

Again MP's or your friendly heart surgeon ... You choose..... 

I would genuinely hope my heart surgeon (if I needed one) would really not be dense enough to be an anti-vaxxer. I would expect surgeons of all people to be capable of reading the medical literature and understand how vaccines work and why we should have them. 

[Ray 111]

1 minute ago, Jambomo said:

I would genuinely hope my heart surgeon (if I needed one) would really not be dense enough to be an anti-vaxxer. I would expect surgeons of all people to be capable of reading the medical literature and understand how vaccines work and why we should have them. 

Somewhat judgemental Jambono, I should imagine your heart surgeon had read (and researched) and made an informed decision.

[Jambomo 215]

15 minutes ago, Ray said:

Somewhat judgemental Jambono, I should imagine your heart surgeon had read (and researched) and made an informed decision.

I don’t care if it is judgemental. The published research is fairly united in the positive case for that vaccine, so if they have properly read and done their research, then they will be vaccinated.

I should hope my heart surgeon isn’t going to faceless and unnamed sources on social media for their information. If my heart surgeon arrived at being an anti-vaxxer, I’d be asking for someone else and questioning their ability to do their job. 

Edited December 17, 2021 by Jambomo

[Ray 111]

But there may not be someone else, then what will you do?

[Jambomo 215]

4 minutes ago, Ray said:

But there may not be someone else, then what will you do?

I don’t know, die I suppose, or end up with a lung removed because my surgeon is so incompetent he can’t find the heart with a map, and then die. 😉

[Ray 111]

Your choice Jambono, and there lies the rub I guess, it's all about freedom of choice. 

BTW, there is plenty of informed opinion (scientists, etc) which is not faceless or unnamed if you really want to research, which your heart surgeon may have done.

The BBC currently has an article stating a booster provides 85% protection against severe omicron, whooped, as far as I can see not having a booster also provides 85% protection from severe omicron, in fact the very same BBC state omicron is like a bad cold, go figure🤔🤔

[Jambomo 215]

More seriously though if you are in the NHS, your entire job is based around caring for those who are the most vulnerable in society and whom if they got Covid, could be very seriously Ill for a long time or could die from it. 

People do need to be able to trust the healthcare professionals. They need to trust that they won’t catch Covid from the people who are meant to make them better, or that visit them when they are shielding. They need to know that have taken every precaution they can not to carry or transmit Covid, and the vaccine is a massive part in reducing the risk.
 

Secondly, why would you trust a medical professional that doesn’t trust the medicine? or understand how a vaccine works? 

I don’t agree with mandatory vaccinations. for everyone but in the case of the NHS I do, because of the kind of service they provide and the vulnerable state of those they look after.