Poor old Newcastle..

[Badger 2,405]

1 hour ago, Naturalcynic said:

Please don’t put words into my mouth.  It certainly wasn’t me that raised the subject of “beneficent” billionaires.  I’m enough of a realist to understand that billionaires don’t amass their vast fortunes by simply giving away large chunks of it.

Don't put words into your mouth? So who was it that said the following? I know the umpteen billions was deliberate exaggeration, but what did you mean the following if it's not what giving it away?

"it’s the fact that they’re willing to throw their umpteen billions at a football club that is the basic point."

 

22 hours ago, Naturalcynic said:

Whether they’re essentially altruistic or basically selfish is largely immaterial; it’s the fact that they’re willing to throw their umpteen billions at a football club that is the basic point.

 

 

[Son Ova Gunn 165]

1 hour ago, horsefly said:

Jesus! Are you really that ignorant of the evidence regarding the Khashoggi murder? The Turkish government secretly recorded the whole event and even the SA government doesn't dispute it, it just decided to sacrifice the agents it sent to carry it out. The are plenty of documentaries that explain what happened. Try this one for starters:  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Dissident-Omar-Abdulaziz/dp/B091BPVQBY/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3IR2Z4BMZDEIU&dchild=1&keywords=khashoggi&qid=1633782217&s=instant-video&sprefix=khas%2Cinstant-video%2C192&sr=1-3

Like I said then, currently Saudi agents not the government have been convicted as lack of proof otherwise. Had the CIA been able to prove, sanctions would have been implemented. Yes I think they did it also.

[KernowCanary 214]

8 hours ago, Haus said:

I've cancelled my sky subscription, I don't want any of my money going to the Premier league.  

All these people who support Man United and claim they got to where they did through hard work, all while Chelsea and Man City got Sugar Daddies in are liars. They benefited from the money injection which was and still is their (Sky’s) “Whole new ball game”, to quote their awful 1992 trailer. Man United didn’t get a sugar daddy owner, but a sugar daddy investment from a TV company owned by Mr Murdoch and pumped almost all their money into them, by putting their matches on live almost every weekend.

The Premier League was and still is Man United’s baby, with Sky the surrogate.

Sky have ruined football and not long ago I cancelled my subscription, am now even more glad I did it after recent events. It’s not even worth the price they charge, seeing we cannot get 3pm Saturday games. The 3pm shut off is the biggest kick in the **** ever.

Edited October 9, 2021 by KernowCanary

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

2 hours ago, robert choice said:

Oh dear.

 

 

Avoided the question, I see.

[Baracouda 47]

10 minutes ago, KernowCanary said:

Sky have ruined football and not long ago I cancelled my subscription, am now even more glad I did it after recent events. It’s not even worth the price they charge, seeing we cannot get 3pm Saturday games. The 3pm shut off is the biggest kick in the **** ever.

To a degree, but the problem really started with Italian league doing the same thing and then Sky/PL took it to another level. When you look at all the 'smaller' leagues, Anderlecht, Ajax, Psv, Benfica, Lisbon, Porto, Red Star Belgrade (obviously the war had a big effect too). In the early to mid 90's there probably wasn't much between Rangers and the PL. Gazza, Ladrup and co. Seemed like Rangers were a big club buying players (Woods, Gordon etc). Sky seem to have destroyed every other league, when players are leaving teams qualifying for Europe and joining sides fighting against relegation in the PL then financially there is a major problem. 

[Naturalcynic 631]

53 minutes ago, Badger said:

Don't put words into your mouth? So who was it that said the following? I know the umpteen billions was deliberate exaggeration, but what did you mean the following if it's not what giving it away?

"it’s the fact that they’re willing to throw their umpteen billions at a football club that is the basic point."

 

 

 

Jeez, you really are a pedantic bore aren’t you?  It’s no accident that the clubs with the wealthiest owners are the ones that have the strongest squads, that can afford to pay the highest transfer fees and wages, and that are consistently challenging for the title and the European places.  Do stop nitpicking.

[Capt. Pants 4,234]

Since everyone now suddenly hates Sky and the Premier League, who'll be boycotting the Brighton game?

[Kenny Foggo 1,116]

Seems the owners of the other clubs are not happy... Anyone who thinks this has to do with the dubious nature of the ownership is living in clue cuckoo land. They are scared that they will not be able to compete.

I almost wish they would **** off and form their super duper European league, so the rest of us can reclaim back the game we love.

[Son Ova Gunn 165]

12 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Since everyone now suddenly hates Sky and the Premier League, who'll be boycotting the Brighton game?

Probably most of the back four and midfield knowing our form 😉

[nutty nigel 7,534]

5 minutes ago, Kenny Foggo said:

Seems the owners of the other clubs are not happy... Anyone who thinks this has to do with the dubious nature of the ownership is living in clue cuckoo land. They are scared that they will not be able to compete.

I almost wish they would **** off and form their super duper European league, so the rest of us can reclaim back the game we love.

This is why I'm feckin' loving all this👍

It's like this established PL nonsense the wannabes far outnumber the places available.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Well now they will be buying all and sundry in January I guess that is another side we won't be finishing above.

[nutty nigel 7,534]

49 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Since everyone now suddenly hates Sky and the Premier League, who'll be boycotting the Brighton game?

This is not going to happen. The sort of supporter who boycotts isn't supporting and we don't need them.

Even those who want the owners to sell up still go to games and clap!

[PurpleCanary 5,558]

35 minutes ago, Kenny Foggo said:

Seems the owners of the other clubs are not happy... Anyone who thinks this has to do with the dubious nature of the ownership is living in clue cuckoo land. They are scared that they will not be able to compete.

I almost wish they would **** off and form their super duper European league, so the rest of us can reclaim back the game we love.

With some clubs I imagine the reputational damage to the Premier League, and guilt by association to the clubs within it, will be a factor. Of course some clubs, such as the supposed big six, will mainly or entirely be worried Newcastle United are going to crash their cosy little world.

But this deal is so far beyond anything before in terms of wrongness. Yes, there are questions about the source of  Abramovich's money, and, yes, West Ham's ownership comes from dosh made in pornography. But this is a famous English club bought by an autocratic regime that has an appalling human rights record.

[Baracouda 47]

Lets hope they spend 500m in January and get a 15 point deduction for FFP

[Capt. Pants 4,234]

17 minutes ago, Baracouda said:

Lets hope they spend 500m in January and get a 15 point deduction for FFP

They are unlikely to get anyone currently playing Champions League so there could be several stop gap signings to avoid relegation.

It would be hilarious if they were to go down.

[wcorkcanary 4,334]

1 hour ago, nutty nigel said:

This is why I'm feckin' loving all this👍

It's like this established PL nonsense the wannabes far outnumber the places available.

The Gravy train never has enough  carriages  for the number of passengers  that want to ride it .

I too think it's hilarious that the former rich boys are now crying about someone being richer  than them.  

Can't wait for Man City to suggest  ways to ' level the playing field ' and Guardiola to roll out the             ' underdogs' line. Hypocrites 

 

[horsefly 4,300]

3 hours ago, Son Ova Gunn said:

Like I said then, currently Saudi agents not the government have been convicted as lack of proof otherwise. Had the CIA been able to prove, sanctions would have been implemented. Yes I think they did it also.

Nonsense! The CIA DID indeed conclude that bin Salman had ordered the killing, contrary to your ill-informed claim:

By November 2018, the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, based on multiple sources of intelligence, had concluded that bin Salman had ordered Khashoggi's assassination.^[1] In the same month, the United States sanctioned 17 Saudi individuals under the Magnitsky Act over the Khashoggi murder, including former bin Salman advisor Saud Al-Qahtani, but did not sanction bin Salman himself.^[15] U.S. President Donald Trump disputed the CIA assessment, expressed support for bin Salman, and stated that the investigation into Khashoggi's death had to continue.^[16]

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashoggi}

Trump, typically, decided it was more important to secure a billion dollar military trade deal than call out bin Salman for this dispicable act. The CIA had no power to overrule Trump's refusal to act, so the lack of US sanctions against bin Salman is entirely irrelevant to what the CIA concluded.

Further, the United Nations commisioned a report on the killing and also concluded the SA government ( bin Salman ) was responsible for the murder:

The murder prompted intense global scrutiny and criticism of the Saudi government.^[17] A June 2019 report issued by Agnès Callamard, the United Nations special rapporteur on extrajudicial executions, concluded that Khashoggi's murder was "a brutal and premeditated killing, planned and perpetrated."^[17] Callamard determined that responsibility for Khashoggi's killing, and the elaborate campaign to cover it up, rests with the highest officials of the Saudi royal court and that "credible evidence" called for the "investigation of high-level Saudi officials' individual liability, including the crown prince's."^[7] Callamard's report also detailed the role of the Saudi consul general in Istanbul in coordinating the killing, undercutting the claim that the murder was an unauthorized act by rogue operatives.^[7] The special rapporteur called for a criminal investigation to be undertaken by the UN and, because Khashoggi was a resident of the United States, the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation.^[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashoggi

 

Edited October 9, 2021 by horsefly

[Baracouda 47]

3 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Nonsense! The CIA DID indeed conclude that bin Salman had ordered the killing, contrary to your ill-informed claim:

By November 2018, the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, based on multiple sources of intelligence, had concluded that bin Salman had ordered Khashoggi's assassination.^[1] In the same month, the United States sanctioned 17 Saudi individuals under the Magnitsky Act over the Khashoggi murder, including former bin Salman advisor Saud Al-Qahtani, but did not sanction bin Salman himself.^[15] U.S. President Donald Trump disputed the CIA assessment, expressed support for bin Salman, and stated that the investigation into Khashoggi's death had to continue.^[16]

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashoggi}

Trump, typically, decided it was more important to secure a billion dollar military trade deal than call out bin Salman for this dispicable act. The CIA had no power to overrule Trump's refusal to act, so the lack of US sanctions is entirely irrelevant to what the CIA concluded.

Further, the United Nations commisioned a report on the killing and also concluded the SA government ( bin Salman ) was responsible for the murder:

The murder prompted intense global scrutiny and criticism of the Saudi government.^[17] A June 2019 report issued by Agnès Callamard, the United Nations special rapporteur on extrajudicial executions, concluded that Khashoggi's murder was "a brutal and premeditated killing, planned and perpetrated."^[17] Callamard determined that responsibility for Khashoggi's killing, and the elaborate campaign to cover it up, rests with the highest officials of the Saudi royal court and that "credible evidence" called for the "investigation of high-level Saudi officials' individual liability, including the crown prince's."^[7] Callamard's report also detailed the role of the Saudi consul general in Istanbul in coordinating the killing, undercutting the claim that the murder was an unauthorized act by rogue operatives.^[7] The special rapporteur called for a criminal investigation to be undertaken by the UN and, because Khashoggi was a resident of the United States, the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation.^[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashoggi

 

Whilst Assange rots in a jail. 

[The Raptor 1,207]

Now Newcastle are supposedly buying a whole new team of world class players in January who can we get from them on the cheap?

[Fuzzar 1,702]

They should at least be good for the lolly they owe us for Lewis. 

[Capt. Pants 4,234]

I wonder if Mbappe will be their first target in the summer. He becomes a free agent then.

At the end of the day it will still be a big task to get the world's best to come to England, and Newcastle.

[Son Ova Gunn 165]

46 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Nonsense! The CIA DID indeed conclude that bin Salman had ordered the killing, contrary to your ill-informed claim:

By November 2018, the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, based on multiple sources of intelligence, had concluded that bin Salman had ordered Khashoggi's assassination.^[1] In the same month, the United States sanctioned 17 Saudi individuals under the Magnitsky Act over the Khashoggi murder, including former bin Salman advisor Saud Al-Qahtani, but did not sanction bin Salman himself.^[15] U.S. President Donald Trump disputed the CIA assessment, expressed support for bin Salman, and stated that the investigation into Khashoggi's death had to continue.^[16]

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashoggi}

Trump, typically, decided it was more important to secure a billion dollar military trade deal than call out bin Salman for this dispicable act. The CIA had no power to overrule Trump's refusal to act, so the lack of US sanctions against bin Salman is entirely irrelevant to what the CIA concluded.

Further, the United Nations commisioned a report on the killing and also concluded the SA government ( bin Salman ) was responsible for the murder:

The murder prompted intense global scrutiny and criticism of the Saudi government.^[17] A June 2019 report issued by Agnès Callamard, the United Nations special rapporteur on extrajudicial executions, concluded that Khashoggi's murder was "a brutal and premeditated killing, planned and perpetrated."^[17] Callamard determined that responsibility for Khashoggi's killing, and the elaborate campaign to cover it up, rests with the highest officials of the Saudi royal court and that "credible evidence" called for the "investigation of high-level Saudi officials' individual liability, including the crown prince's."^[7] Callamard's report also detailed the role of the Saudi consul general in Istanbul in coordinating the killing, undercutting the claim that the murder was an unauthorized act by rogue operatives.^[7] The special rapporteur called for a criminal investigation to be undertaken by the UN and, because Khashoggi was a resident of the United States, the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation.^[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashoggi

 

Yep, like I said, the president of the US determined that the CIA hadn’t managed to establish proof and requested they keep looking. Appreciate all the help backing up what I said (that anyone with proof should pass it to the CIA who continue to look for the benefit of those convicted) but honestly it’s not needed as nobody is arguing against it.👍

[The Raptor 1,207]

If they rename themselves Real Newcastle they may have a chance. It might confuse him..

.I can see Newcastle getting used by Mbappe and a load of other players to get a new/better contract. I can't see them attracting top players like that until they're at least in the Europa league

[Son Ova Gunn 165]

5 minutes ago, The Raptor said:

If they rename themselves Real Newcastle they may have a chance. It might confuse him..

.I can see Newcastle getting used by Mbappe and a load of other players to get a new/better contract. I can't see them attracting top players like that until they're at least in the Europa league

It will be interesting but I think they will attract the calibre of player to break top 2-3 immediately, just look at Man City’s first yr signings as a guide, Robinio, Jo, Kompany, Bridge, Zabaleta, Bellamy, De Jong…. Don’t think it’s too dissimilar to compare starting positions

[horsefly 4,300]

12 minutes ago, Son Ova Gunn said:

Yep, like I said, the president of the US determined that the CIA hadn’t managed to establish proof and requested they keep looking. Appreciate all the help backing up what I said (that anyone with proof should pass it to the CIA who continue to look for the benefit of those convicted) but honestly it’s not needed as nobody is arguing against it.👍

Oh dear! You really are coming across as a buffoon now. The CIA established beyond reasonable doubt the SA government was to blame for Kashoggi's brutal murder, as did the UN inquiry. Seems you're stupid enough to believe what Trump says so I guess that makes you thicker than him (and that takes some doing).

[duke63 542]

Anyone who they try and buy in January is likely to have gone up in value dramnatically when Newcastle come calling.

[Son Ova Gunn 165]

4 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Oh dear! You really are coming across as a buffoon now. The CIA established beyond reasonable doubt the SA government was to blame for Kashoggi's brutal murder, as did the UN inquiry. Seems you're stupid enough to believe what Trump says so I guess that makes you thicker than him (and that takes some doing).

Calm down now fella.. take breath and look at what has been said. The CIA are still looking for proof to link the SA government. This is fact, you even linked it yourself. Whether they think they have enough I have never questioned, whether it’s political I have never questioned. Perhaps before you start questioning somebody else’s mental capabilities you first evaluate your reading comprehension?

[Fuzzar 1,702]

1 hour ago, The Raptor said:

If they rename themselves Real Newcastle they may have a chance. It might confuse him..

.I can see Newcastle getting used by Mbappe and a load of other players to get a new/better contract. I can't see them attracting top players like that until they're at least in the Europa league

How about New Newcastle, managed by Jaap Stam(mer)?

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Sunni and Shia to provide the half time entertainment singing I Got You Pet.

[hogesar 9,671]

5 hours ago, Capt. Pants said:

Since everyone now suddenly hates Sky and the Premier League, who'll be boycotting the Brighton game?

Weird take.