RobJames 881 Posted December 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, ricardo said: There's a million things Boris can be sanctioned for but characterising three people sitting round a table with tinsel on their heads as some sort of rave is about as pathetic as it gets. Why use tittle tattle when theres plenty of real meat to get your teeth into. But it wasn't three people. As you and he both know. "in one office there were four teams of six people". I suspect you were trying to defend this idiot. By laughings at the libs. That's the expression, isn't it, Ricardo? Now you are trying to row back. Only obeying orders were we ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,395 Posted December 12, 2021 Just now, RobJames said: But it wasn't three people. As you and he both know. "in one office there were four teams of six people". I suspect you were trying to defend this idiot. By laughings at the libs. That's the expression, isn't it, Ricardo? Now you are trying to row back. Only obeying orders were we ? Im laughing at the Mirrors Scope. We can all see it was as weak as pi$$ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted December 12, 2021 Try defending the smug pirck @ 2.35 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted December 12, 2021 14 minutes ago, ricardo said: There's a million things Boris can be sanctioned for but characterising three people sitting round a table with tinsel on their heads as some sort of rave is about as pathetic as it gets. Why use tittle tattle when theres plenty of real meat to get your teeth into. There is a police presence in Downing Street. And people have to login when entering. Yet the police cannot and will not come forward to say what happened. Aren't they there to uphold the law, not choose which ones to. And the quiz night was just another piece of evidence that Downing Street was being used for purposes tax payers don't agree with. On its own, its worth little but with every other piece of evidence, it is very pertinent. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,768 Posted December 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, ricardo said: Im laughing at the Mirrors Scope. We can all see it was as weak as pi$$ It's not about what type of party it was. It's the fact there was many large gatherings and the blatant lying to try and cover it up. The Mirror is showing you the proof of complete disregard for you and me. They are taking the mick out of us. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,170 Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Well b back said: BJ on tele at 8pm, hopefully to resign but looks like due to COVID As he will not be taking any questions from journalists the venue for this press conference will be a fridge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 881 Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, ricardo said: Im laughing at the Mirrors Scope. We can all see it was as weak as pi$$ No. You were trying to make fun of those who took this seriously. The evidence is fairly solid. Around 70 staff stayed in No10 after work to play the quiz. All Johnson has to do is deny it. He hasn't. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,208 Posted December 12, 2021 18 minutes ago, ricardo said: There's a million things Boris can be sanctioned for but characterising three people sitting round a table with tinsel on their heads as some sort of rave is about as pathetic as it gets. Why use tittle tattle when theres plenty of real meat to get your teeth into. I guess you read the headline then stopped. The quiz was for lots of different offices in Downing Street. In one office it was reported that 12 people were around a small desk with drink and no social distancing. This was arranged / encouraged by Johnson. As this was against the law at the time it means that Johnson actively encouraged people to break the law. Where do you draw the line in your morals of when and to what extent you are allowed to break the law ?. Do you think parking offences should not be prosecuted, or do you go as far as rapists and abusers should be excused ?. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,395 Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Well b back said: I guess you read the headline then stopped. The quiz was for lots of different offices in Downing Street. In one office it was reported that 12 people were around a small desk with drink and no social distancing. This was arranged / encouraged by Johnson. As this was against the law at the time it means that Johnson actively encouraged people to break the law. Where do you draw the line in your morals of when and to what extent you are allowed to break the law ?. Do you think parking offences should not be prosecuted, or do you go as far as rapists and abusers should be excused ?. Well I certainly doubt that I would go as far as you with your Strawman arguments. This will all come out in the wash as things always do. As I have said on here many times, its not the action but the cover up that gets you in the end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted December 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, ricardo said: Well I certainly doubt that I would go as far as you with your Strawman arguments. This will all come out in the wash as things always do. As I have said on here many times, its not the action but the cover up that gets you in the end. I think they are trying for a cold rinse not a full wash. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,395 Posted December 12, 2021 1 minute ago, keelansgrandad said: I think they are trying for a cold rinse not a full wash. A week is a long time in politics. Time enough to get a new washing machine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 881 Posted December 12, 2021 45 minutes ago, ricardo said: Well I certainly doubt that I would go as far as you with your Strawman arguments. This will all come out in the wash as things always do. As I have said on here many times, its not the action but the cover up that gets you in the end. Mean while you will laugh along with him. What's over 145,000 deaths among like minded souls? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,208 Posted December 12, 2021 Whoops, looks like he’s in trouble again. The press saying he did not want to announce via a press conference as he knew he would get questioned about why the booster programme has failed to date. The MP’s saying an announcement of this magnitude has to be announced in Parliament first. He now has more Labour members supporting his COVID responses than Tory MPS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creative Midfielder 1,996 Posted December 12, 2021 3 hours ago, keelansgrandad said: There is a police presence in Downing Street. And people have to login when entering. Yet the police cannot and will not come forward to say what happened. Aren't they there to uphold the law, not choose which ones to. And the quiz night was just another piece of evidence that Downing Street was being used for purposes tax payers don't agree with. On its own, its worth little but with every other piece of evidence, it is very pertinent. I think that is the key point - we have a corrupt and politicised police force protecting our corrupt and incompetent government - that is a toxic mix in any society and one that usually ends very badly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sonyc 5,520 Posted December 12, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Well b back said: He now has more Labour members supporting his COVID responses than Tory MPS. I think that Labour have actually handled the Covid response as an opposition throughout the pandemic in a serious and considered way - irrespective of one's views on lockdowns etc. They have very rarely sought to make political capital from the government's positions, other than to really urge caution. If it was the other way round I just wonder how many of the Tories would support Labour caution? Whether they would play a more political game? For sure, there would have been a more transparent procurement policy and none of the contracts for friends. Edited December 12, 2021 by sonyc 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Well b back 3,208 Posted December 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said: I think that is the key point - we have a corrupt and politicised police force protecting our corrupt and incompetent government - that is a toxic mix in any society and one that usually ends very badly. Indeed I will stand to be corrected but I understood that the police recorded everybody in and out, to include departure and arrival times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KernowCanary 214 Posted December 13, 2021 12 hours ago, ricardo said: There's a million things Boris can be sanctioned for but characterising three people sitting round a table with tinsel on their heads as some sort of rave is about as pathetic as it gets. Why use tittle tattle when theres plenty of real meat to get your teeth into. No, it does not matter what they were wearing, or the nature of what they were doing, the point is they broke the law on gatherings at the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,791 Posted December 13, 2021 1 hour ago, KernowCanary said: No, it does not matter what they were wearing, or the nature of what they were doing, the point is they broke the law on gatherings at the time. The law is the law whether you agree with it or not. Clearly Johnson and others broke it. I'm actually looking forward to the symbolic skip outside No 10 with the Johnson's gaudy tasteless tat pilling up inside it as it is stripped out (and Tory donor's eyes watering as their £50K or whatever is carried off to the tip) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFish 1,987 Posted December 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Yellow Fever said: The law is the law whether you agree with it or not. Clearly Johnson and others broke it. I'm actually looking forward to the symbolic skip outside No 10 with the Johnson's gaudy tasteless tat pilling up inside it as it is stripped out (and Tory donor's eyes watering as their £50K or whatever is carried off to the tip) The Mirror story may not be the silver bullet, but like it or not & @ricardo clearly doesn't like it, it dominated the news agenda over the weekend and panicked Johnson enough to pointlessly broadcast to the nation with the sole objective to move the agenda on. It did its job. It further emphasised the contempt Johnson has for the electorate. Heads down now to the Tory revolts tomorrow. May struggled to get business through the HoC because she lost her majority. Johnson struugles because he lost the confidence of the Conservative Party. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KernowCanary 214 Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, keelansgrandad said: Try defending the smug pirck @ 2.35 I got almost heartbroken watching that, especially when he mentions his friend who died last year and the funeral had to be done on Zoom 😞 Edited December 13, 2021 by KernowCanary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Apples 1,320 Posted December 13, 2021 Looks like Ricardo is ploughing a lonely furrow these days...though you do have to admire his determination to support lost causes to the bitter end. 🤣 Apples Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Apples 1,320 Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) We'll see how his mood is after Thursday. 🏆 Apples Edited December 13, 2021 by Mr Apples Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,395 Posted December 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, Mr Apples said: Looks like Ricardo is ploughing a lonely furrow these days...though you do have to admire his determination to support lost causes to the bitter end. 🤣 Apples Watched far too many relegations mate. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dj11 377 Posted December 13, 2021 It amazes me there are still apologists for Johnson. I see it as a strength to be able to shift your position when such evidence is presented. It was only a zoom call, there was only 3 of them, it was last year, they were working extremely hard and he is doing his best, does not wash with me, and nor should it to law abiding, objective, open minded people. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,395 Posted December 13, 2021 18 minutes ago, dj11 said: It amazes me there are still apologists for Johnson. I see it as a strength to be able to shift your position when such evidence is presented. It was only a zoom call, there was only 3 of them, it was last year, they were working extremely hard and he is doing his best, does not wash with me, and nor should it to law abiding, objective, open minded people. Maybe I'm reading between lines but I get a strong feeling you might not be voting for him next time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 881 Posted December 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, ricardo said: Maybe I'm reading between lines but I get a strong feeling you might not be voting for him next time. Must be what you are saying to every one you meet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creative Midfielder 1,996 Posted December 13, 2021 53 minutes ago, ricardo said: Maybe I'm reading between lines but I get a strong feeling you might not be voting for him next time. I think most of us are rather hoping that we won't get the opportunity to vote for him 'next time' 😀 Arguably since Johnson has become an electoral liability for the Tories I suppose there is a case for saying that we should just grin & bear it for another 2-3 years and hope he survives, as it would substantially increase the chances of getting rid of the Tories completely next time. But personally I think the more immediate satisfaction of seeing him get the bum's rush he so richly deserves from his own party is irresistable - another 2/3 years of his incompetence and corruption would be just too painful even if it did mean annihilation for the Tories in 2024 - way too anyway by then for the damage he has caused to ever be fixed.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,395 Posted December 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said: I think most of us are rather hoping that we won't get the opportunity to vote for him 'next time' 😀 Arguably since Johnson has become an electoral liability for the Tories I suppose there is a case for saying that we should just grin & bear it for another 2-3 years and hope he survives, as it would substantially increase the chances of getting rid of the Tories completely next time. But personally I think the more immediate satisfaction of seeing him get the bum's rush he so richly deserves from his own party is irresistable - another 2/3 years of his incompetence and corruption would be just too painful even if it did mean annihilation for the Tories in 2024 - way too anyway by then for the damage he has caused to ever be fixed.. I doubt he will be the leader at the next election, far too much baggage now. My guess is he will be replaced sometime next year otherwise we are getting to close to the next GE date. It will be interesting to see who comes to the front amongst the challengers. Rishi favourite but may lose some gloss as CE has to raise taxes to pay for Covid. In any event the future is essentially unknowable and lingering Covid will make any prediction a punters nightmare. Making bets on a GE outcome in 2023/24 is finger in the air stuff. Much water will flow under Trowse bridge before then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,791 Posted December 13, 2021 1 hour ago, ricardo said: Maybe I'm reading between lines but I get a strong feeling you might not be voting for him next time. Depends if I'm on the jury or not 😉 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,395 Posted December 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Yellow Fever said: Depends if I'm on the jury or not 😉 Now now, remember what the judge told you." Evidence is what you hear in court and nothing else"😉 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites