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1 hour ago, sonyc said:

It appears listening to the lunchtime news that caution will indeed be the watchword. Good news and at least it shows learning (and listening to scientists). If these encouraging vaccination rates continue with such excellent efficacy (prevention of serious illness) then they can afford to relax as and when figures allow. That's a far better and more reassuring way to come out of this. I'm more hopeful than ever.

Yes - that's all I ask - caution, keep control, relax, evaluate, repeat. I'm pleased there will be 5 weeks between any incremental steps - the big one and riskiest being all the schools back March 8th.

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2 hours ago, sonyc said:

It appears listening to the lunchtime news that caution will indeed be the watchword. Good news and at least it shows learning (and listening to scientists). If these encouraging vaccination rates continue with such excellent efficacy (prevention of serious illness) then they can afford to relax as and when figures allow. That's a far better and more reassuring way to come out of this. I'm more hopeful than ever.

Yeh good cause for us all to feel optimistic 👍

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1 minute ago, Van wink said:

Yeh good cause for us all to feel optimistic 👍

Yes indeed VW, especially the vaccine effectiveness on reducing hospitalisation......the key to long term normality.

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Long term normality? please do explain what this would mean to our lifes, Indy, what normality depending on actions we have to take to mitigate the climate crisis we are in will mean for us.

As for this talk of never having another lock down, is that not a bit superficial nonsense? dangerous and vacuous talk by some desperate politicians who now want to chop down the money tree and put it through a blender to get some more QE out of it.

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2 minutes ago, nevermind, neoliberalism has had it said:

Long term normality? please do explain what this would mean to our lifes, Indy, what normality depending on actions we have to take to mitigate the climate crisis we are in will mean for us.

As for this talk of never having another lock down, is that not a bit superficial nonsense? dangerous and vacuous talk by some desperate politicians who now want to chop down the money tree and put it through a blender to get some more QE out of it.

Normality is where we were 12 months ago! What climate issues have on the virus is a different debate entirely!

Something unless you can get the virus that is Humans under control will just end up killing this planet! 

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well Indy, the more destructive we get, d3molishing the habitats of animals and or making them live in unormal coditions, the more we will come in contact with viruses, Time to change tack drastically.

This virus is not defeated by a long shot, as much as people hope for it, and there are new and equally dangerous viruses jumping species barriers.

https://www.fwi.co.uk/livestock/poultry/russia-confirms-first-case-of-h5n8-avian-flu-in-humans

 

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18 minutes ago, nevermind, neoliberalism has had it said:

well Indy, the more destructive we get, d3molishing the habitats of animals and or making them live in unormal coditions, the more we will come in contact with viruses, Time to change tack drastically.

This virus is not defeated by a long shot, as much as people hope for it, and there are new and equally dangerous viruses jumping species barriers.

https://www.fwi.co.uk/livestock/poultry/russia-confirms-first-case-of-h5n8-avian-flu-in-humans

 

Surely then we should just let the virus run its course and allow it to kill off a few billion people? Until people take responsibility and reduce the population we’re all doomed so one way or another there will be a monumental catastrophe which will wipe out a few billion people, my money still on an ice age once the Gulf Stream collapses and shifts southwards, most of the norther hemisphere will be under ice very quickly! Or possibly the super volcano under Yellowstone going bang! 👍😉

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2 minutes ago, Indy said:

Surely then we should just let the virus run its course and allow it to kill off a few billion people? Until people take responsibility and reduce the population we’re all doomed so one way or another there will be a monumental catastrophe which will wipe out a few billion people, my money still on an ice age once the Gulf Stream collapses and shifts southwards, most of the norther hemisphere will be under ice very quickly! Or possibly the super volcano under Yellowstone going bang! 👍😉

Thanks for that optimistic message 😁

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4 hours ago, BroadstairsR said:

I have been keeping an eye on France, both literally with my telescope and also by reading their newspapers (Google translate)

It is immensely worrying for whilst they vaccinate slowly their rate of infections rises with more speed. Particularly with incidences of the so-called English variant, which is  becoming more dominant.

The Telegraph article has picked up on a trend of the last two weeks. France currently has 20, 000 plus infections a day and it is rising. We have to hope that the somewhat anticipated explosion will not happen, but if it does, a newer more dangerous variant will not evolve.

I believe that the suspension of compulsory tests for lorry drivers to be a mistake and that other measures might well be needed in order not to threaten the progress made in the UK.

10 players from the French rugby squad have now tested positive

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4 minutes ago, FenwayFrank said:

Thanks for that optimistic message 😁

Don't worry, it probably won't happen before we are promoted so at least one more open top bus ride.😉

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6 minutes ago, FenwayFrank said:

Thanks for that optimistic message 😁

Well to be lectured about the inevitable is daft! The reality is that lithium mining is causing more massive issues to the carbon footprint and directly to the environment than the good of using electric cars, then to power the cars we need to up our power output by four times to meet demand which means nuclear power with will require massive building programs which will in turn require massive carbon emissions!

To meet the requirements and reverse the effects we need to act so drastically that we would all need to be like the Good Life!

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Vaccine supply problems perhaps?

Otherwise all news is good.

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16 minutes ago, Van wink said:

10 players from the French rugby squad have now tested positive

Les chasseur d'oeufs stupide. 

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The four main hubs in Norfolk are only operating every other day for the next two weeks due to an issue with the supply of vaccines. Presumably that will have an effect on the numbers in these parts.

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37 minutes ago, nevermind, neoliberalism has had it said:

well Indy, the more destructive we get, d3molishing the habitats of animals and or making them live in unormal coditions, the more we will come in contact with viruses, Time to change tack drastically.

This virus is not defeated by a long shot, as much as people hope for it, and there are new and equally dangerous viruses jumping species barriers.

https://www.fwi.co.uk/livestock/poultry/russia-confirms-first-case-of-h5n8-avian-flu-in-humans

 

But are we really living closer to virus carrying animals?  I'm not sure what period you want compare with but I reckon we have less rather than more contact than at any time in our history. I personally can't remember the last time I saw a chicken that wasn't wrapped in sellophane, and the same for most other things that traditionally we would have shared a habitat with. The Corona virus is suspected to have arisen in a Chinese wet market which is the type of retail experience we might have known in the past but is now disappearing to a great degree. By that evidence the traditional way of life, where we kept animals and shopped for fresh food would have led to more contact with viruses than today. Just that in the past no one was counting. 

The virus is dangerous today because we live in a global, interconnected world where someone could be in Wuhan yesterday, Milan today and Birmingham tomorrow while travelling on mass transport systems. 

The key to solving this and future virus outbreaks is how do you solve the problem of free and rapid movement within a global society. Perhaps we need to control national borders better than we do now. 

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Some decent balanced scientific opinion on the measures announced, covering the rate of infection (interesting that R couldn't go above 2 now that allegedly 30% of the population have some 'immune' protection). Still, there are worries and these are nearly explained by the last advisor. 

At least data seems to be the determining factor. For now.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/22/england-covid-roadmap-lockdown-experts-view?

 

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31 minutes ago, Indy said:

Well to be lectured about the inevitable is daft! The reality is that lithium mining is causing more massive issues to the carbon footprint and directly to the environment than the good of using electric cars, then to power the cars we need to up our power output by four times to meet demand which means nuclear power with will require massive building programs which will in turn require massive carbon emissions!

To meet the requirements and reverse the effects we need to act so drastically that we would all need to be like the Good Life!

I'd rather give up driving then to get an electric vehicle.

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119 days until freedom!

I'm confident but this seems very optimistic... Doesn't look like we're gonna wait around for antivaxxers etc.

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Just now, nevermind, neoliberalism has had it said:

I'd rather give up driving then to get an electric vehicle.

Indeed, I’ve gone from a diesel to a small engined petrol, I’ve worked at Sizewell A for a time, worked in oil & gas for 20 odd years, but all I can do is be energy efficient at home, which I am, careful in my use of utilities which I am, if we all do our small bits globally we could have a massive impact on climate change, the trouble is we’re humans and we are naturally a destructive species!

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36 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Don't worry, it probably won't happen before we are promoted so at least one more open top bus ride.😉

Not until June

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2 minutes ago, Tetteys Jig said:

119 days until freedom!

I'm confident but this seems very optimistic... Doesn't look like we're gonna wait around for antivaxxers etc.

I’m hopeful too TJ, but until the rest of the world catch up it’s going to be a very dodgy time! But hopefully we will see more vaccines and treatments to reduce the severity!

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1 minute ago, Indy said:

I’m hopeful too TJ, but until the rest of the world catch up it’s going to be a very dodgy time! But hopefully we will see more vaccines and treatments to reduce the severity!

A lot of scientists saying Covid is endemic so even after the first vaccination program, there is a chance of mutations and a recurrence if not on the same scale.

We need a vaccine that kills it.

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13 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

A lot of scientists saying Covid is endemic so even after the first vaccination program, there is a chance of mutations and a recurrence if not on the same scale.

We need a vaccine that kills it.

the problem we have with focusing on mutations is that we are only around 1% of the world's population so our efforts are near enough futile. As you say, we need a vaccination that will jump ahead of the virus and give it nowhere to go.

The long term T Cell response seen from these vaccines gives me hope that even with the current mutations, we're basically good to go though. Hopefully turns Covid into a tickly cough for the vast, vast majority!

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17 minutes ago, Tetteys Jig said:

the problem we have with focusing on mutations is that we are only around 1% of the world's population so our efforts are near enough futile. As you say, we need a vaccination that will jump ahead of the virus and give it nowhere to go.

The long term T Cell response seen from these vaccines gives me hope that even with the current mutations, we're basically good to go though. Hopefully turns Covid into a tickly cough for the vast, vast majority!

Yes  - the idea is surely to get it down to a level were it is either no worse (and fully treatable) and than a bad cold or is as rare as measles should be (take note anti-vaxers). We can't have it 'as is ' infecting 10,000 or even 1000 or 100 day as 'normal'. It remains a notifiable disease.

 

What worries me now is the media circus that's partying already on the 'opening up' yet forgets to tell everybody to still act sensibly in the interim and remain in lockdown following the rules. I have little hope it will be observed so disaster is still a distinct possibility.

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12 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

What worries me now is the media circus that's partying already on the 'opening up' yet forgets to tell everybody to still act sensibly in the interim and remain in lockdown following the rules. 

This is the main worry YF. I intimated at it in an earlier post. If only now we could get some concerted media messaging....it isn't going to happen. The other worry for me is still those small band of Tory 'live and let rippers' who will press again and again. Maybe they've been headed off at the pass?

Alternatively, government ought to do some of those public information films / advertorials.

Finally, Sunak now needs to give the country  a final decent package in the budget coming up.

Overall though perhaps we do get a chance to be out and celebrate our famous team in some capacity. Fingers crossed that this c19 plan works and simultaneously, we (NCFC) finish the job. It will make for a very happy and hopeful 2021.

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2 hours ago, ricardo said:

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Vaccine supply problems perhaps?

Otherwise all news is good.

Thanks Ricardo.  The Scottish leak of vaccine numbers (@sonyc posted it not that long ago) showed a drop off last week and a bigger reduction this week before going back up - I think this week they showed no Oxford vaccine doses at all.  The explanation has been that they're ramping up production so need a pause.  If the Scots numbers are the same pro-rata across the UK then this is exactly what you'd expect so not a reason to worry.

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6 minutes ago, It's Character Forming said:

Thanks Ricardo.  The Scottish leak of vaccine numbers (@sonyc posted it not that long ago) showed a drop off last week and a bigger reduction this week before going back up - I think this week they showed no Oxford vaccine doses at all.  The explanation has been that they're ramping up production so need a pause.  If the Scots numbers are the same pro-rata across the UK then this is exactly what you'd expect so not a reason to worry.

Cheers ICF. 

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