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43 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

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Quoting such things is absolutely meaningless if you don't post a link to the article from which it is taken.

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On 12/03/2021 at 21:18, BigFish said:

 

When Honda announced the closure it said Brexit was not a factor. This was met with widespread derision and went against what Honda executives had previously told the workers. Two or three days later, in the face of this disbelief, Honda issued a second statement, realising the first had just made itself look stupid. It went as follows:

''Honda is on record as stating that its preferred scenario following Brexit is one that delivers frictionless trade, access to talent and regulatory alignment. It is true that a ‘no-deal’ scenario would cause a number of challenges for our operations. However, no one single event has led to the proposal to cease production at Swindon. The decision is in response to unprecedented change in the global automotive industry and the need to deploy electrification technologies across our business.''

That it was not 'one single event' that caused the decision is no doubt true. There were factors beyond Brexit. But by detailing the potential extra problems that Brexit would cause Honda is clearly saying that was one of the decisive factors. In reality it may well have tipped the balance.

To spell it out, Honda says it wanted a Brexit that delivered frictionless trade, access to talent (through freedom of movement), and regulatory alignment. Which are the three key elements of the single market. But May had categorically ruled out staying in the single market.

Honda says a no-deal Brexit would cause 'a number of challenges', which is business-speak for 'costly problems we won't have if we move elsewhere' but that is understating it. Any future trade deal that did not allow complete access to the single market would scr*w Honda's Swindon business model. I am not an expert on the motor industry but I know someone who is, and I gather that the profit margins are so tight that any friction in the process potentially makes it unworkable. And that is without the no-deal possibiity of tariffs.

So Swindon's fate was effectively sealed the moment May threw out the SM option. That as it happens we seem to be heading towards the worst-case scenario of a no-deal might make it look as if Honda realised that was coming and otherwise would have saved Swindon. But not so.

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Just to add to this typically acute piece of analysis of mine😜 that BF quoted, not only was the fate of the Swindon plant, and others, sealed the moment May threw out the SM option, but the writing was on the wall for Northern Ireland's economy when at the same time she nixed the customs' union option.

The row over policing the border in the Irish Sea obscures the broader truth, which is that wherever the border is, and there has to be one somewhere with the single market on the other side, it scr*ws the NI economy.

I don't know  whether Johnson understood this at the time and signed up to a deal he knew he would then want to break, or realised it later, but the likely truth (witness his choice of Front) is that his intention now is to break the treaty permanently, on the assumption the EU will cave in.

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poor simple minded mouse brain, clueless as ever

after a massive downturn in the economy of 10% in 2010 of course the lifting of restrictions will cause businesses to be optimistic, that trade will pick up

however in the same report we have

"it warned that January data which showed a 40% slump in exports to the EU added to evidence that post-Brexit trade restrictions were causing more severe damage than the ‘teething problems’ admitted by the government so far.

Make UK said that in its latest survey, members reported a further fall in export demand that contrasted with a rebound domestically and for exporters based in other countries."

https://www.reuters.com/article/britain-economy-confidence/uk-firms-see-sharper-2021-rebound-than-international-peers-accenture-idUSL8N2LA45G

which put basically is that the huge fall in exports cannot be blamed on Covid as exports elsewhere are picking up, as are inter EU exports

only a thicko like mouse brain would post up something that shows brexit is causing further harm, as something to be positive about 🙄

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5 minutes ago, Herman said:

Doesn't look like they are going to cave in.

 

That will help with a financial services agreement, or are they the latest sector to be thrown under the Brexit Bus?

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7 minutes ago, Bill said:

poor simple minded mouse brain, clueless as ever

after a massive downturn in the economy of 10% in 2010 of course the lifting of restrictions will cause businesses to be optimistic, that trade will pick up

however in the same report we have

"it warned that January data which showed a 40% slump in exports to the EU added to evidence that post-Brexit trade restrictions were causing more severe damage than the ‘teething problems’ admitted by the government so far.

Make UK said that in its latest survey, members reported a further fall in export demand that contrasted with a rebound domestically and for exporters based in other countries."

https://www.reuters.com/article/britain-economy-confidence/uk-firms-see-sharper-2021-rebound-than-international-peers-accenture-idUSL8N2LA45G

which put basically is that the huge fall in exports cannot be blamed on Covid as exports elsewhere are picking up, as are inter EU exports

only a thicko like mouse brain would post up something that shows brexit is causing further harm, as something to be positive about 🙄

they are saying the fall in exports is due to stockpiling before hand and a reluctance to test the the paperwork before you start mouthing off  wait a few months  and see 

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1 minute ago, dj11 said:

That will help with a financial services agreement, or are they the latest sector to be thrown under the Brexit Bus?

"the EU could suspend its obligations under the Withdrawal Agreement (with the exception of the citizens' rights part of the agreement) or from the Trade and Cooperation Agreement, in accordance with Article INST.24(4), e.g. by imposing tariffs on imports of goods from the UK."

(amounting to pretty much 'no deal')

The constant lies of Johnson have put us into this position.

Lying to the country that brexit would be 'got done'

Lying to the DUP that there would be no border in the Irish Sea

Lying to the EU that he would honour his signature on an agreed International Treaty

never mind lying to hauliers, farmers, fishermen, the City........

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9 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

they are saying the fall in exports is due to stockpiling before hand and a reluctance to test the the paperwork before you start mouthing off  wait a few months  and see 

Is that the best you can come up with? "Wait and see", Jesus it's that bad!

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30 minutes ago, Bill said:

"the EU could suspend its obligations under the Withdrawal Agreement (with the exception of the citizens' rights part of the agreement) or from the Trade and Cooperation Agreement, in accordance with Article INST.24(4), e.g. by imposing tariffs on imports of goods from the UK."

(amounting to pretty much 'no deal')

The constant lies of Johnson have put us into this position.

Lying to the country that brexit would be 'got done'

Lying to the DUP that there would be no border in the Irish Sea

Lying to the EU that he would honour his signature on an agreed International Treaty

never mind lying to hauliers, farmers, fishermen, the City........

Very true, and let's not overlook lying to his own MPs and Parliament generally although of course his own MPs can't really complain as they knew full well they were voting for a serial liar when they elected him............

.......actually come to that the DUP, farmers and fishermen knew full well.......🙄

 

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47 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

they are saying the fall in exports is due to stockpiling before hand and a reluctance to test the the paperwork before you start mouthing off  wait a few months  and see 

Of course there was stockpiling. Anyone who didn't was barmy. But was it you or Moy said our import figures were down compared to exports for that period?

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6 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Very true, and let's not overlook lying to his own MPs and Parliament generally although of course his own MPs can't really complain as they knew full well they were voting for a serial liar when they elected him............

.......actually come to that the DUP, farmers and fishermen knew full well.......🙄

 

Has he done his job ? Are they beginning to set him up as the fall guy ? Apparently at a Cobra meeting it was suggested we should have parties like “ chicken pox parties “ to enable the virus to spread quickly amongst the population, whilst denying there was ever an intention to go for herd immunity. Thank god that a small minority and a trip to ICU made him see sense.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56406393

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1 hour ago, Well b back said:

Has he done his job ? Are they beginning to set him up as the fall guy ? Apparently at a Cobra meeting it was suggested we should have parties like “ chicken pox parties “ to enable the virus to spread quickly amongst the population, whilst denying there was ever an intention to go for herd immunity. Thank god that a small minority and a trip to ICU made him see sense.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56406393

I think he has set himself up as the fall guy - even in our already very over-centralized politcal system Johnson (and Cummings whilst he lasted) has done everything he can to centralise power even further in No 10 - he has pretty much evaded all scrutiny by Prliament and even very senior ministers have no real power - absolutely everything happens on the say-so of no 10.

That is what Johnson wanted and that is what he has successfully put in the place but the corollary is that the responsibility for all the c*ck ups, the incompetence, the corruption, and of course the u-turns and the general shambles which we've lived through for the past year is directly attributable to Johnson himself.

 

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2 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

they are saying the fall in exports is due to stockpiling before hand and a reluctance to test the the paperwork before you start mouthing off  wait a few months  and see 

here we are mouse brain

a quote from the very report you quoted from

"it warned that January data which showed a 40% slump in exports to the EU added to evidence that post-Brexit trade restrictions were causing more severe damage than the ‘teething problems’

or maybe the FT, who might know something


'There were no similar falls in Britain’s trade with non-EU countries, showing the move to be related to Brexit controls rather than the effects of the coronavirus surge and January’s lockdown. '

'The haulage and logistics industry, which pointed to an increase in the number of lorries returning empty to the continent from the UK. Before Brexit, about 30 per cent of lorries returning to the EU were typically empty. French port data have suggested that the figure has risen to 50 per cent in the first two months of this year'

 

James Withers, the chief executive, said there could be “no sugar coating” the figures. While he expected volumes to pick up in February and March he warned that the new barriers to trade would cause EU supply chains to “permanently restructure” at the expense of UK jobs


'Shane Brennan, chief executive of the Cold Chain Federation which represents the perishable products industry said there was still a “long way to go” and that new bureaucracy put UK goods at a permanent disadvantage.

“UK goods are slower-moving, much more expensive and way more hassle, and EU customers are buying less. I wish the government spent as much time listening to business concerns as they do searching for ways to spin the trade figures,” he said. James Sproule, chief economist of Handelsbanken in the UK, said the impact of Brexit was “readily apparent” in the trade figures, with the larger proportionate drop in exports showing that “UK exporters have felt the impact more severely than their European counterparts”.

So who do we trust to be correct. Head figures from those industries, or an habitual liar with an IQ only marginally above Abu Hamza's finger count

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What's with this weird obsession Blukip have with friggin statues?

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3 minutes ago, Herman said:

What's with this weird obsession Blukip have with friggin statues?

"This bill could have been a watershed moment.

But through its 296 pages, the word “woman” isn’t mentioned once.

It allows someone attacking a statue to receive up to a 10-year term in prison while rape sentences start at five years. "

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49 minutes ago, Bill said:

"This bill could have been a watershed moment.

But through its 296 pages, the word “woman” isn’t mentioned once.

It allows someone attacking a statue to receive up to a 10-year term in prison while rape sentences start at five years. "

Isn't it great that we are now free to write our own laws that haven't been written by some unelected official🙈🙉🙊

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Oh dear! seems the Express is not too happy with the brexit deal. What happened to all those happy British fish? Seems they are all ending up in the capacious nets of EU countries' fishermen . Well at least they will be able to sell their catch to the EU unlike their UK counterparts. Come on Morrison's, buy yourself a second boat and show those damn foreigners that we still rule the waves.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/brexiteers-are-betrayed-england-s-fishing-quota-owned-by-eu-factory-ships-mike-hookem/ar-BB1eD5mP?ocid=msedgntp

Hailed by Boris Johnson and his government as 'taking back control of our waters' this Government gave promises and has continued to promise it will end super trawlers fishing in Britain's waters. But at the time it was giving these promises it was simultaneously issuing more than 2000 licences to EU vessels some classed as super trawler. The term super trawler generally refers to large trawlers over 100 metres in length. They catch hundreds of tons of fish EVERY DAY using nets up to a mile long and can process their catch on board which leads to them also being called 'factory ships'.

Whisper this quietly but I'm beginning to think Johnson lied to Fishermen and the public about how brexit would save the UK fishing industry. Who would have thought they would be far worse off than when we were a part of the EU? Just about every remainer in the country and all those posting on here, that's who.

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15 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

they are saying the fall in exports is due to stockpiling before hand and a reluctance to test the the paperwork before you start mouthing off  wait a few months  and see 

Show us where the EU has been stockpiling UK fish exports then, "before you start mouthing off".

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The UK will not pay fines adjudicated by the EU’s puppet court on the basis of an agreement that it has not yet ratified and therefore has no legal standing.

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19 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

The UK will not pay fines adjudicated by the EU’s puppet court on the basis of an agreement that it has not yet ratified and therefore has no legal standing.

Where did you cut and paste this from?

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5 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

Where did you cut and paste this from?

All my own work, the EU are taking us to the EU Court (that has no jurisdiction over us) to complain about us breaking the the agreement that it has even been ratified yet. Not a chance of winning.  Everyone keeps saying what good has Brexit done, how about what good has the EU done since we left ?

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52 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

All my own work, the EU are taking us to the EU Court (that has no jurisdiction over us) to complain about us breaking the the agreement that it has even been ratified yet. Not a chance of winning.  Everyone keeps saying what good has Brexit done, how about what good has the EU done since we left ?

Nobody has gained we all lost. 2 wrongs don’t make a right as the saying goes.

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1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

All my own work, the EU are taking us to the EU Court (that has no jurisdiction over us) to complain about us breaking the the agreement that it has even been ratified yet. Not a chance of winning.  Everyone keeps saying what good has Brexit done, how about what good has the EU done since we left ?

Oh dear! Which "law school" website did you download your certificate from? Alas I don't think you will get your money back (perhaps you could take them to the EU court).

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Looks like another positive to be announced later we are to have substantially more nuclear weapons, great news.

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I'm actually struggling to work out any positives for anybody who even voted for Brexit.

Certainly not the fishermen, farmers, exporters, city, manufacturers, universities (anybody else left?)

The OAPs and boomers that seem most culpable for the result never had any skin in the game anyway and so nought has changed for them. They can still dream of the 1950s and 1960s England of their youth. I suppose we can put their pensions into play to make up for treasury shortfalls.

As to the young - obviously most damaged by Brexit and no doubt will be looking to ameliorate the issues asap. 

Have I missed anybody who does well apart from the odd oddball? I suppose some hedge funds and lots more custom officials and pen pushers. Then of course all our competitors who are snapping up our abandoned markets and lastly the Russians and Chinese who can now safely ignore as irrelevant on the global stage. 

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1 hour ago, Well b back said:

Looks like another positive to be announced later we are to have substantially more nuclear weapons, great news.

Yes, once again, we are told we are the guardians of the World and that we have to ramp it up because those nasty Russians are not to be trusted.

The only nation to have used such weapons are the US. Those nasty Russians haven't. As the song goes, the Russians love their children too.

And do we really think Chin a would militarily interfere when they have the economic version of a warhead?

A nuclear weapon is a first strike one. Its not a defence.

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30 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Yes, once again, we are told we are the guardians of the World and that we have to ramp it up because those nasty Russians are not to be trusted.

The only nation to have used such weapons are the US. Those nasty Russians haven't. As the song goes, the Russians love their children too.

And do we really think Chin a would militarily interfere when they have the economic version of a warhead?

A nuclear weapon is a first strike one. Its not a defence.

Pathetic isn’t it! No money for a decent pay rise for the nurses yet we’re wasting money on nuclear weapons from the US! I just can’t get my head round this dangerous government! Hiding behind Covid with the total disaster that Brexit is and now ramping up investment into a pointless excersize! 
How about investing decent sums into the police, nhs and other service sectors to boost the economy, get more young people into work and generate growth! The sooner the people turn on this government the better, this buffoon is going to wreck this country then retire to the US, his home country!

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16 minutes ago, Indy said:

Pathetic isn’t it! No money for a decent pay rise for the nurses yet we’re wasting money on nuclear weapons from the US! I just can’t get my head round this dangerous government! Hiding behind Covid with the total disaster that Brexit is and now ramping up investment into a pointless excersize! 
How about investing decent sums into the police, nhs and other service sectors to boost the economy, get more young people into work and generate growth! The sooner the people turn on this government the better, this buffoon is going to wreck this country then retire to the US, his home country!

I thought Stealth was a new weapon. But its a Government policy instead.

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41 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Yes, once again, we are told we are the guardians of the World and that we have to ramp it up because those nasty Russians are not to be trusted.

The only nation to have used such weapons are the US. Those nasty Russians haven't. As the song goes, the Russians love their children too.

And do we really think Chin a would militarily interfere when they have the economic version of a warhead?

A nuclear weapon is a first strike one. Its not a defence.

I get the feeling he must have been playing with his favourite toy submarine in the bath last night. It's utterly ludicrous to think that Russia or China are going to feel the slightest fear from Johnson's attempt to prove the UK is still a world-wide power after its craven withdrawal from the EU. This is nothing more than a pathetic distraction from the fact that brexit has shown us to be a nation with diminished potency on the world stage. We all know that China can do what the hell it likes in Hong Kong and there would be nothing the UK could do militarily to stop them. This is just chucking tax-payer's money into the ocean. No doubt some Tory chum or donor will be there with a net to fish out a few million.

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