The Positive Brexit Thread

[canarydan23 4,060]

10 hours ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

It's people little Dan and yellow fever who start claiming they're made up or aren't of significance when they don't like what they're hearing.

In my defence, it is only made up ones that I claim are made up.

[benchwarmer 625]

On 13/06/2023 at 16:39, sonyc said:

Brexit planning and Covid.

No deal scenarios took up huge resource time...Covid policy made up on the hoof....leaving the country more unprepared.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/13/no-deal-brexit-planning-crowded-out-efforts-to-prepare-for-pandemic-covid-inquiry?

 

Early messages from the Covid inquiry which started today. I seem to recall our earlier thread on the pandemic and similar thoughts posted.

A local GP told a friend of mine, who had covid in Jan/Feb 2020 (as I did too), that the virus was in Norwich before the end of December 2019, ie. three months before the first lockdown.  How many other health professionals knew, and were they prevented from speaking out?

[Yellow Fever 3,792]

1 hour ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

That comment was sarcasm regarding Dan the tw4t's 'more made up stuff', which everybody else was happy to let slide; I was just making a general point that if everyone's going to be a d1ck and accuse people of making stuff up then it's a slippery slope.

My point about your own slipperiness in dismissing my own anecdotal observations while obviously viewing your own as important stands. But above all else, suggesting someone you don't know is stupid and autistic really marks you out as a c*nt of the first order.

 

Whatever you want believe LYB. The record stands for itself. However, resorting to foul uncouth language is always the sure sign of a lost argument. I note we've been here before.

I just think you're unwise accusing me of a 'made up' anecdote from my personal experience followed by arguing I disagreed with CDs link in which I'd said I already broadly agreed. Duh. The original anecdote was not even an argument but just supporting evidence to CDs position.

Edited June 14, 2023 by Yellow Fever

[Yellow Fever 3,792]

29 minutes ago, benchwarmer said:

A local GP told a friend of mine, who had covid in Jan/Feb 2020 (as I did too), that the virus was in Norwich before the end of December 2019, ie. three months before the first lockdown.  How many other health professionals knew, and were they prevented from speaking out?

There is some evidence BW that Covid started in the autumn but was likely misdiagnosed or not noticed until it hit endemic numbers in Wuhan (it's an exponential after all). The GP is likely right. 

[littleyellowbirdie 2,551]

20 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

Whatever you want believe LYB. The record stands for itself. However, resorting to foul uncouth language is always the sure sign of a lost argument. I note we've been here before.

I just think you're unwise accusing me of a 'made up' anecdote from my personal experience followed by arguing I disagreed with CDs link in which I'd said I already broadly agreed. Duh. The original anecdote was not even an argument but just supporting evidence to CDs position.

"Foul uncouth language?" F*ck you. "Foul uncouth language" is positively high brow compared to using autism as an insult against strangers, you utter piece of sh1t.

Edited June 14, 2023 by littleyellowbirdie

[littleyellowbirdie 2,551]

 

1 hour ago, canarydan23 said:

In my defence, it is only made up ones that I claim are made up.

Idiot. Get back to the playground.

Edited June 14, 2023 by littleyellowbirdie

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Steady on LYB. Having a pop at Sonyc is out of order. He is never anything but calm and considerate in his posts. You are are now showing angry signs and need to calm down. We aren't here to prove we are right in our opnions. Just to post and hope that someone agrees or appreciates.

[littleyellowbirdie 2,551]

1 minute ago, keelansgrandad said:

Steady on LYB. Having a pop at Sonyc is out of order. He is never anything but calm and considerate in his posts. You are are now showing angry signs and need to calm down. We aren't here to prove we are right in our opnions. Just to post and hope that someone agrees or appreciates.

I didn't have a pop at him. He had a passive aggressive pop at me weighing in over a comment to YF; we've already covered it, so butt out.

Edited June 14, 2023 by littleyellowbirdie

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Just now, littleyellowbirdie said:

I didn't have a pop at him. He had a passive aggressive pop at me; we've already covered it, so butt out.

No he didn't. He just disagreed with you. Something you obviously can't handle.

[littleyellowbirdie 2,551]

10 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

No he didn't. He just disagreed with you. Something you obviously can't handle.

I can handle disagreement, I can handle that sh1t for br41ns squ1t calling me stupid on a daily basis, I can handle the lot of you quietly sniggering at it, I can handle some nobody like Dan effectively calling me a liar, I can handle you ignoring that while hauling me up at ever turn, I can handle lots of things. You don't have any high ground. You're like kids in a playground.

Edited June 14, 2023 by littleyellowbirdie

[canarydan23 4,060]

8 hours ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

I can handle some nobody like Dan effectively calling me a liar

The evidence suggests otherwise. 

[A Load of Squit 5,170]

8 hours ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

I can handle disagreement, I can handle that sh1t for br41ns squ1t calling me stupid on a daily basis, I can handle the lot of you quietly sniggering at it, I can handle some nobody like Dan effectively calling me a liar, I can handle you ignoring that while hauling me up at ever turn, I can handle lots of things. You don't have any high ground. You're like kids in a playground.

I haven't called you stupid for ages so saying you can handle it when you think it's happening on a daily basis is obviously showing that you can't.

That's why (amongst other things) you're stupid.

[Yellowfuture 71]

https://www.thefa.com/news/2023/jun/14/new-gbe-criteria-140623
 

Good news

[Barbe bleu 826]

9 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

I haven't called you stupid for ages so saying you can handle it when you think it's happening on a daily basis is obviously showing that you can't.

That's why (amongst other things) you're stupid.

He can't handle it. You know  that and yet you continue.  You're  little bit naughty, aren't you?

In all seriousness, stop being a d*ck.  I know and you know it's just  bit of fun on your part but behind the bluff and bluster there is a real person thwt you are abusing .

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

48 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

He can't handle it. You know  that and yet you continue.  You're  little bit naughty, aren't you?

In all seriousness, stop being a d*ck.  I know and you know it's just  bit of fun on your part but behind the bluff and bluster there is a real person thwt you are abusing .

Umm yes, a real person who is himself quite happy to dish it out at times but gets very huffy when he finds himself on the receiving end.

So maybe he should be the one to re-appraise his approach to other posters who bizarely choose to disagree with the wisdom he so generously showers us with.

[Yellowfuture 71]

LYB often puts an alternative view, the more the better imo

[Hook's-Walk-Canary 213]

Read 'em and weep you Rejoiniac loons:

 

British connected street lighting and smart city applications manufacturer Telensa shifted production from Asia to the UK. ~  https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170329005079/en/Telensa-Shifts-Production-from-Asia-to-the-UK---Begins-Manufacturing-Smart-City-Technology-with-Sony

Spanish bank Alantra has given a vote of confidence to London by switching it's investment banking HQ to the city ~ 

https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/alantra-uk-headquarters-20230613

McLaren reshored chassis production from Austria to the UK ~ https://europe.autonews.com/article/20170209/ANE/170209816/mclaren-will-move-chassis-output-to-uk-from-austria

Sustainable clothing company Zen Beach moves it's production from China to Cornwall ~ 

https://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/20222074.sustainable-clothing-company-cornwall-moves-production/

Manufacturing company Albert Jagger has reshored it's Antiluce fastener range back to the UK from China ~ https://www.the-mtc.org/case-studies/albert-jagger-re-shoring-a-product-range-from-china-to-the-uk/ 

Britten-Norman is reshoring whole aircraft manufacture from Eastern Europe to the UK ~ https://www.pesmedia.com/britten-norman-to-move-aircraft-production-back-to-the-uk

US VC giant Andreessen Horowitz - which has $35 billion in assets under management - is to open it's first international office in London, led by one of the firm's General partners, Sriram Krishnan ~ https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/12/london-lures-a16zs-first-international-office-with-predictable-crypto-regs/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMfTZZ7myDbq-u4-_NUDGcm9pgamw6_grmKJ4r7fxT06mGARIoZNs8d-jggYzGvoRGx629VZC9BKZ5Zx1ayhSiaEeOu8KOOxCQyGVm-f6dAaT33oAhbVq8Ll3pc9lCP6dAxrngLtffL-gnzCueUh9KP6BCJkffuIAXZV_uVcZrz3

 

 

[Well b back 3,208]

Excellent bit of tosh there Jools, let’s try some facts rather than misleading nonsense ?

Blow to London Stock Exchange as WE Soda scraps £6bn float

Robert Lea, Industrial Editor

June 15 2023, The Times

 

London’s capital markets suffered a fresh setback after WE Soda abruptly abandoned a planned £6 billion flotation hailed as the City’s biggest initial public offering in two years.

The decision to list on the London Stock Exchange had been hailed as a much-needed boost after a sharp drop in the number of flotations.

 

 

[Hook's-Walk-Canary 213]

36 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Excellent bit of tosh there Jools, let’s try some facts rather than misleading nonsense ?

Blow to London Stock Exchange as WE Soda scraps £6bn float

Robert Lea, Industrial Editor

June 15 2023, The Times

 

London’s capital markets suffered a fresh setback after WE Soda abruptly abandoned a planned £6 billion flotation hailed as the City’s biggest initial public offering in two years.

The decision to list on the London Stock Exchange had been hailed as a much-needed boost after a sharp drop in the number of flotations.

 

 

Do you sit there with a straight face when accusing others of posting tosh when they are actually contributing known truths and facts?

The WE Soda scrapping £6bn is neither triumph nor a disaster -- It’s price discovery working - The seller said no at the price the buyers were prepared to pay - It’s not politics or Turkey and it most certainly has fa to do with Brexit.

Go have a butchers at the FT comments on this subject -- You might learn a thing or three.
 

[Herman 9,774]

Shapps and Truss have started to say that they were Leave supporters. I'm not sure what they are up to? 

[Aggy 755]

On 13/06/2023 at 16:22, littleyellowbirdie said:

 

Big stories saying we're not quite the worst performing economy out of the seven biggest economies in the world while we're setting corporation tax at 25% and FDI into the UK is still the second best in Europe. It's all getting a bit desperate when you think back to the cliff edge the UK was supposed to go  over and the ensuing neoliberal orgy that was supposed to happen with a 'hard' Brexit.

While some of the doom may have been overdone (as were some/most of the claims about the benefits of brexit) surely the only way to debate whether brexit was a ‘success’ or not is to compare with where we were before brexit. 
 

Are we still the only one of those 7 with a smaller economy than before brexit? (Genuine question, I’ve largely stopped following it but know towards the end of last year we were.)

Edited June 16, 2023 by Aggy

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

10 hours ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said:

The WE Soda scrapping £6bn is neither triumph nor a disaster -- It’s price discovery working - The seller said no at the price the buyers were prepared to pay - It’s not politics or Turkey and it most certainly has fa to do with Brexit.

 

It is price discovery at work but what you fail to mention is that it is the price that buyers specifically in the UK stock market are prepared to pay that is the issue and that is due largely, though not entirely, to Brexit.

WE Soda will get a much better price somewhere else, most likely in New York, and this is not a one-off by any means but a well established trend.

Edited June 16, 2023 by Creative Midfielder

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

12 hours ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said:

Read 'em and weep you Rejoiniac loons:

 

British connected street lighting and smart city applications manufacturer Telensa shifted production from Asia to the UK. ~  https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170329005079/en/Telensa-Shifts-Production-from-Asia-to-the-UK---Begins-Manufacturing-Smart-City-Technology-with-Sony

Spanish bank Alantra has given a vote of confidence to London by switching it's investment banking HQ to the city ~ 

https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/alantra-uk-headquarters-20230613

McLaren reshored chassis production from Austria to the UK ~ https://europe.autonews.com/article/20170209/ANE/170209816/mclaren-will-move-chassis-output-to-uk-from-austria

Sustainable clothing company Zen Beach moves it's production from China to Cornwall ~ 

https://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/20222074.sustainable-clothing-company-cornwall-moves-production/

Manufacturing company Albert Jagger has reshored it's Antiluce fastener range back to the UK from China ~ https://www.the-mtc.org/case-studies/albert-jagger-re-shoring-a-product-range-from-china-to-the-uk/ 

Britten-Norman is reshoring whole aircraft manufacture from Eastern Europe to the UK ~ https://www.pesmedia.com/britten-norman-to-move-aircraft-production-back-to-the-uk

US VC giant Andreessen Horowitz - which has $35 billion in assets under management - is to open it's first international office in London, led by one of the firm's General partners, Sriram Krishnan ~ https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/12/london-lures-a16zs-first-international-office-with-predictable-crypto-regs/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMfTZZ7myDbq-u4-_NUDGcm9pgamw6_grmKJ4r7fxT06mGARIoZNs8d-jggYzGvoRGx629VZC9BKZ5Zx1ayhSiaEeOu8KOOxCQyGVm-f6dAaT33oAhbVq8Ll3pc9lCP6dAxrngLtffL-gnzCueUh9KP6BCJkffuIAXZV_uVcZrz3

 

 

I noticed the Falmouth Packet report about the clothing company. Pity they didn't report the plastics manufacturer Curver moving from redruth to Oxford with the loss of over 100 jobs in the area. So the joy of half a dozen jobs is tempered by the loss of over a hundred.

One step forward and two back. Bit like our Trade Deals.

 

[A Load of Squit 5,170]

13 hours ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said:

Read 'em and weep you Rejoiniac loons:

 

 

I read them and laughed at your desperation.

2 links from 2017 & 2 from last year.

 

[Herman 9,774]

5 hours ago, Aggy said:

While some of the doom may have been overdone (as were some/most of the claims about the benefits of brexit) surely the only way to debate whether brexit was a ‘success’ or not is to compare with where we were before brexit. 
 

Are we still the only one of those 7 with a smaller economy than before brexit? (Genuine question, I’ve largely stopped following it but know towards the end of last year we were.)

The best and simplest way to measure brexit is to check if it has improved Britain and your way of living, as was promised, and the answer is a  categorical no. 

[Yellow Fever 3,792]

15 hours ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said:

Read 'em and weep you Rejoiniac loons:

 

British connected street lighting and smart city applications manufacturer Telensa shifted production from Asia to the UK. ~  https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170329005079/en/Telensa-Shifts-Production-from-Asia-to-the-UK---Begins-Manufacturing-Smart-City-Technology-with-Sony

Spanish bank Alantra has given a vote of confidence to London by switching it's investment banking HQ to the city ~ 

https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/alantra-uk-headquarters-20230613

McLaren reshored chassis production from Austria to the UK ~ https://europe.autonews.com/article/20170209/ANE/170209816/mclaren-will-move-chassis-output-to-uk-from-austria

Sustainable clothing company Zen Beach moves it's production from China to Cornwall ~ 

https://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/20222074.sustainable-clothing-company-cornwall-moves-production/

Manufacturing company Albert Jagger has reshored it's Antiluce fastener range back to the UK from China ~ https://www.the-mtc.org/case-studies/albert-jagger-re-shoring-a-product-range-from-china-to-the-uk/ 

Britten-Norman is reshoring whole aircraft manufacture from Eastern Europe to the UK ~ https://www.pesmedia.com/britten-norman-to-move-aircraft-production-back-to-the-uk

US VC giant Andreessen Horowitz - which has $35 billion in assets under management - is to open it's first international office in London, led by one of the firm's General partners, Sriram Krishnan ~ https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/12/london-lures-a16zs-first-international-office-with-predictable-crypto-regs/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMfTZZ7myDbq-u4-_NUDGcm9pgamw6_grmKJ4r7fxT06mGARIoZNs8d-jggYzGvoRGx629VZC9BKZ5Zx1ayhSiaEeOu8KOOxCQyGVm-f6dAaT33oAhbVq8Ll3pc9lCP6dAxrngLtffL-gnzCueUh9KP6BCJkffuIAXZV_uVcZrz3

 

 

This is very much like the desperate dying arguments that climate change deniers used to make despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Drowning in their denial of facts and clutching at straws.

Cherry pick a few facts, take out of larger context i.e. the weather is cold (or hot) today as opposed to long term climate averages.

The jury has been back a long time on Brexit. It's economically damaging. There is no surprise there and accepted even by most rational (if that's not an oxymoron) Brexiters.  There are extremely simple reasons why that is so.

We'd all respect the remaining Brexiters (the loons to use your phraseology) a lot more if they just accepted that fact and then looked for ways to improve our economy - better market access with Europe for instance. That and of course a realization that we shouldn't be 'anti-EU' or German or whatever the flavour is today - especially as they are are our largest customers (hint - if your customers are hard up they won't be buying your goods and you'll be hard up too - economics class101). 

Tell us how you are going to improve the economy so we aren't laggards without as per Truss busting the bank ? Go 'American' - Cut the welfare state, NHS, employment rights, increase the labour market (more immigration), no state pension at all until your assets are under 23500 as per 'care' - that would work perhaps and create a dynamic economy but be unpopular. Bring it on I say!

[Hook's-Walk-Canary 213]

3 hours ago, Herman said:

The best and simplest way to measure brexit is to check if it has improved Britain and your way of living, as was promised, and the answer is a  categorical no. 

Covid/lockdowns and the USA's proxy war in Ukraine has has had a negative impact globally -- How many times does that have to be repeated, ffs? The Eurozone on the whole is in recession whilst Britain still grows -- Is that down to Brexit?

Reality is nearly all of UK’s problems are domestic -- Lockdown, high taxes, no houses, NHS at 13% GDP, govt 42% GDP in size, unproductive & activist civil service, govt increased immigration, long term sickness, NetZero, devolution etc..

F*** all to do with leaving the EU.

[Hook's-Walk-Canary 213]

1 hour ago, Yellow Fever said:

The jury has been back a long time on Brexit.

By the 'Jury' do you mean the 'blob'? -- For a long time there's been a coordinated coup by what true conservatives (And there isn't enough of them) call the 'blob' who are a mass of pathetic, left-leaning, Remain-supporting functionaries trying to block the government's agenda -- That and the 'blob' being totally backed up by the MSM who rarely if ever report on positive Brexit news.  

[canarydan23 4,060]

12 minutes ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said:

Covid/lockdowns and the USA's proxy war in Ukraine has has had a negative impact globally -- How many times does that have to be repeated, ffs? The Eurozone on the whole is in recession whilst Britain still grows -- Is that down to Brexit?

Reality is nearly all of UK’s problems are domestic -- Lockdown, high taxes, no houses, NHS at 13% GDP, govt 42% GDP in size, unproductive & activist civil service, govt increased immigration, long term sickness, NetZero, devolution etc..

F*** all to do with leaving the EU.

Soooo close to sounding like you actually believe that too.

A little more work and you might start to convince yourself that's true.

[canarydan23 4,060]

3 minutes ago, Hook's-Walk-Canary said:

blob

We've had Ukraine, Covid, blob, civil service, cherry-picked links and Rejoiniac!

My Right-Wing R3tard bingo card is almost fully stamped.

Edited June 16, 2023 by canarydan23