The Sun on Sunday and Maddison

[BroadstairsR 2,168]

"Well I''m sure they''ll take your unhappiness into consideration."

Did I suggest for one minute that I expected them to.

As for Madison he will clearly have to be careful in his decision making then.

I cannot envisage a player widely quoted now as costing £25m (see Telegraph article) and with a host of top teams after him needing to show he is good enough at Premier league level.

It will surely be a first.

[GJP 79]

Hard to see which of the big 6 he''d get in the team at. And considering 5 of them are trying to catch up with Man City why would they spend big money on a lad who isn''t going to close that gap?

But at least with the Sigurdsson deal we have seen there are clubs who will spend huge amounts on good but not truly great players. Though of course he was a proven Prem player.

[king canary 7,606]

"I cannot envisage a player widely quoted now as costing £25m (see Telegraph article) and with a host of top teams after him needing to show he is good enough at Premier league level.

It will surely be a first."

Yes, because it will be a first for a team to pay a Championship club £25m for a player who hasn''t played in the Premier League.

I just can''t thing of a single benefit to Maddison or the club purchasing him to send him out on loan to the Championship again.

[BroadstairsR 2,168]

Far less a player than James Madisson have succeeded at Premier League level.

I think that''s plain for all to see.

The only club I could envisage buying him then loaning him back would be Manchester City, who would appear to be a law unto themselves.

Although Tottenham purchased Deli Ali from MK Dons and then loaned him back to them. It didn''t seem to do him any harm.

[king canary 7,606]

So you agree there is no benefit to them or to Maddison to loan him back to the Championship?

Dele Alli was bought mid season and was only 18 at the time which is quite different.

[norfolkngood 1,087]

Liverpool have been after him from the start Klopp even been to watch him and they used to send a scout to every game so very keen

but when the bidding starts who knows

Spurs would only by him to be long term replacement for Deli Ali , i think they will cash in of Ali at some point and Maddison could if he progresses the man to fill that space

but would not get much game time until Ali goes

[BroadstairsR 2,168]

"So you agree there is no benefit to them or to Maddison to loan him back to the Championship?"

I agree to nothing as nobody could possibly know.

With regards JM and Manchester City, surely it would depend upon the nature of the loan.

A short term loan or one with instant recall would ensure that the player would continue to benefit from first team action with NCFC as an alternative to being on the sidelines at Man. City. The buying club would retain control of the situation. Very rarely do these young players walk into a starting place with a top six club.

Tottenham clearly felt that there was not a ready made place for Alli so lent him back, the situations are therefore similar.

I do agree on one thing and that is I really doubt whether Citeh would want to sign the player at this moment in time. The Telegraph has suggested they are in the hunt and we can make of that what we will.

[norfolkngood 1,087]

with the English player rule Maddison will be

a good buy for any top PL club thats why we really have to get top money for him

[GJP 79]

There''s also a physical difference that shouldn''t be overlooked. Dele has a presence, he''s 6''2 and can cover the ground.

[Fuzzar 1,702]

I see him as more of a replacement for Eriksen at Spurs, than Alli.

I don''t think any club will pay £25m upwards and not play him and I don''t think he''d improve Man C. Of the current top four, he''s a better fit for Spurs or Liverpool where gaps in the midfield are likely to appear this summer.

One thing''s for sure - has to be mega money (for us anyway) and I hope we play hard ball.

[Woodman 92]

If you''re Maddison, you have a big decision to make. Do you:

1) stay a big fish here on comparatively low wages,

2) take a move to a mid-table Prem team (Leicester, Everton) and triple your money with the opportunity to push for a regular starting spot, or

3) go for a career-making move to a top 6 side, on a good contract, but sit behind any number of seasoned internationals and hardly play.

Leicester would be a good move for him, especially if Mahrez leaves. I have a sneaking suspicion Spurs have first call on him though.

[Hairy Canary 704]

Agree Woodman that a mid-table team like Leicester, Burnley or Everton would be ideal for him. Would get a fair crack at establishing himself, no big threat of relegation so decent wages guaranteed and chance for bigger things if he does well.

Unfortunately I can''t see how he will stay so from our point of view it''s just about getting the best deal we can and spending as much of it as we can afford wisely

[Big Vince 318]

It is very amusing reading all these posts on here from supporters who, in addition to doing the Board''s bidding (along with Archant of course), are just dying for the boy to be sold for the highest fee possible; yet many of these same people denounced Chase for doing just that in another era.

[STFU 0]

The firesale continues.

What a fiasco.

You couldn’t make it up.

(Have I missed any out Highland?)

[BroadstairsR 2,168]

Sorry well-worn cliches won''t do it for me.

We are staring another Championship season in the face.

NO Championship club could possibly expect to hold on to the likes of Maddison, especially with a horde of top Premier League clubs apparently lining up for his signature.

We are where we are, get used to it.

Otherwise, what are your proposals for us keeping the player?

[KeiranShikari_2 0]

It''s just acceptance.

[Duncan Edwards 2,236]

Acceptance of mediocrity

[Old Shuck 183]

The thing is Vince, under your beloved Chase, we were flying- 2 FA Cup semi finals, finishing in the top 6 three times, Europe and a real chance of progression.Yet players were still sold and when Mike Walker asked, not unreasonably, for a contract that reflected what he was doing at the club, Chase didn''t want to know so Walker quit.We''ll never know what might have been if there hadn''t been so many sales in so short a time-David Phillips was flogged rather than given a new contract for example, penny pinching at its best.Today? We''re going nowhere fast and are skint. Needs must, we need to sell him. There is no comparison. If we were set to finish 3rd in the Prem this season Madders wouldn''t be going anywhere. Plenty did back in the early 90''s after we did.I rather think the current board might have found the money for a certain Dean Windass as well.

[Hackedoff 0]

Unfortunately the so called ‘Big Six’ are probably just looking to fill their homegrown quota rather than worry about him starting

[Big Vince 318]

[quote user="Old Shuck"]The thing is Vince, under your beloved Chase, we were flying- 2 FA Cup semi finals, finishing in the top 6 three times, Europe and a real chance of progression.Yet players were still sold and when Mike Walker asked, not unreasonably, for a contract that reflected what he was doing at the club, Chase didn''t want to know so Walker quit.We''ll never know what might have been if there hadn''t been so many sales in so short a time-David Phillips was flogged rather than given a new contract for example, penny pinching at its best.Today? We''re going nowhere fast and are skint. Needs must, we need to sell him. There is no comparison. If we were set to finish 3rd in the Prem this season Madders wouldn''t be going anywhere. Plenty did back in the early 90''s after we did.I rather think the current board might have found the money for a certain Dean Windass as well.[/quote]

Walker would have quit anyway. His head had been turned and he left for the same reasons as Saunders, Bond and Lambert.

As well as selling good players Chase also BOUGHT good players which people conveniently forget. Fleck, Linighan, Crook, Bowen, Townsend, etc.

Chase had a clear strategy: use player trading to balance the books, develop the stadium, develop the squad, buy land around the stadium and at Colney. Don''t forget Chase did not have the millions from broadcasting nor were the attendances that big even when they were top of the league. So player trading was a necessity.

The boy Webber has already stated that the Suffolk Socialists have squandered the broadcasting money by having no clear strategy as to how the club should be developed. We now have to sell the boy as a consequence of failure. Most of Chase''s player trading was done from a position of strength as it was an integral part of the strategy that worked in 9 years out of 10.

[TIL 1010 4,746]

Were the sales of Newsome and Ward done from a position of strength then Vince and what about the sale of Sutton when your man said if Chris was not here at the start of the season nor would he be here either ?

[Yellowbeagle 0]

[quote user="TIL 1010"]Were the sales of Newsome and Ward done from a position of strength then Vince and what about the sale of Sutton when your man said if Chris was not here at the start of the season nor would he be here either ? [/quote]

Totally agree. All this rose tinted nostalgia for Chase is pathetic and makes me wonder if people were actually there. The saving grace for Chase was that he knew how to spot a good manager, they then got amazing results for the club inspite of the chairman.

[Tetteys Jig 830]

You can get 8/11 on Maddison to leave Norwich with Skybet, seems inevitable, might be worth a few quid I think!

[PurpleCanary 5,562]

[quote user="Yellowbeagle"][quote user="TIL 1010"]Were the sales of Newsome and Ward done from a position of strength then Vince and what about the sale of Sutton when your man said if Chris was not here at the start of the season nor would he be here either ? [/quote]

Totally agree. All this rose tinted nostalgia for Chase is pathetic and makes me wonder if people were actually there. The saving grace for Chase was that he knew how to spot a good manager, they then got amazing results for the club inspite of the chairman.[/quote]Up to a point. Chase inherited Brown. The first choice he made was to bump Stringer up, which worked well. But by all accounts he then wanted Phil Neal until a bit of a boardroom revolt scuppered that plan. So he turned to Walker, which also went well, but under the circumstances he can hardly take too much credit. After that Deehan, O''Neill and Megson in quick succession. I would say Chase\s record was mixed.

[Bill 1,788]

Just because Chase was sat at the front of the roller coaster it doesn''t mean he was driving it.

[Fuzzar 1,702]

And if you post a lot on here, it doesn''t necessarily mean you know what you''re talking about.

[Bill 1,788]

Though if your thoughts go unchallenged it probably means you do

[TIL 1010 4,746]

[quote user="Bigears"]Just because Chase was sat at the front of the roller coaster it doesn''t mean he was driving it.[/quote]Well who was driving it then during his tenure when the size of the board was reduced down to four and an AGM was held at a lunchtime in order to ensure a low attendance ? Maybe you could inform us of any decisions taken at the club which did not have his fingerprints all over it ?

[Mike 2]

Keith O''Neil - was at a football charity auction on transfer deadline day and Chase was in the local press saying he did not need or want to sell any players yet on that very day Harry Redknapp told me that Chase had rung his club (West Ham) and offer Keith O''Neil for £750''000.. they would have bought but didn''t have the cash... Chase said one thing and did another

[Big Vince 318]

[quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="Bigears"]Just because Chase was sat at the front of the roller coaster it doesn''t mean he was driving it.[/quote]Well who was driving it then during his tenure when the size of the board was reduced down to four and an AGM was held at a lunchtime in order to ensure a low attendance ? Maybe you could inform us of any decisions taken at the club which did not have his fingerprints all over it ?[/quote]

Jimmy Jones was the one with the rollercoaster so perhaps he was driving it?

There was one decision which did not have Chase''s fingerprints on it and that was the appointment of Martin O''Neill. That one was down to one James Albert Claude Jones and Chase had to like it or lump it so he lumped it.