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The barclay, the South Stand, The River end and the Main Stand for me. And we''re in Division 3. The prem is just Division 1 rebranded. Nothing to get excited about, nothing to see, move along now.

[quote user="gazzathegreat"]Tom I take it you have recently graduated from the Neil Doncaster College of Spin. The board have backed managers with as much money as possible, and then some. So why, after actually making profits, just a few years ago, after having two years'' parachute payments, having sell out crowds and associated sponsorship, corporate funding etc, have we gone from players such as Ashton to loan players upfront? Why have we not got a team of permanently contracted players, a decent squad? Answer, the money invested in the team (not as much as possible) has gone on agent fees, loan player fees (in some instances paying for players who didn''t even get on the pitch) and contracting very average players (Cureton) on a long contract. Most of the club''s income goes on servicing the debts (which the board have built up to incredible levels), investing on crazy property investment schemes, a huge non-playing staff budget, including FIVE full time press officers, and then there''s Mr Doncaster on £180,00 a year, plus £12,000 pension contributions. We have had considerable money in, but not enough spent on the team, and the managers..... Paying off all those managers eh? Just bad luck, or bad judgement. We can decide, but the facts speak for themselves. We are now in the third division of football. Some achievement for a board who has built their entire policy on the slogan of prudence with ambition and of course the current one, following the Charlton model. Paying too much on players'' wages - just because we pay a player a ridiculous sum of money doesn''t mean to say he''s going to be any good. It just points to bad judgement - and who is responsible for that, well the manager and the Chief Executive for negotiating the deals in the first place. Managers spending their budget wisely - okay, but is the manager wise in the first place? And if he is what constraints is he working under. Our last half decent manager Nigel Worthington fought for a decent budget with the board, and even he told the press that no one did business in the summer, while all around us were recruiting we were merely issuing sound bites to the local press (or excuses if you are being harsh). Potential - this is huge, but sadly unrealised. We have a huge catchment area and few clubs within 100 miles. We are not situated in London or the Midlands where there are many clubs, we are in rural Norfolk. Added to that the city is growing, and it''s a largely young population moving in. We have the ground already, where other clubs have had to rebuild to their cost (Southampton). We have a very loyal season ticket base, far greater than most clubs outside the Premiership, and bigger than some in it. The one thing holding us back is the policy of the board. Small time thinking, again and again missing opportunities and not doing enough to attract investment and therefore building the club, not only in stature, but size too. For too long Delia and co have stuck to their mantra of community club instead of winning club. This has deterred potential investment, and the investment she has attracted (Turners, Cullum) she has managed to alienate with policy decisions and farcical share prices. Drive Delia out? No, but change her thinking yes. Her and her board are totally responsible for where we are today, they appointed the managers who have taken us to this point. They have sought investment (where is it?), they have appointed the staff at the top who are wholly incompetent and not up to the job, they have built up massive debt while building up their own share portfolio, they have taken a once proud and successful club and turned it into a shambles, a sorry shadow of what it once was. Guilty, guilty and guilty again as charged. All of them out and the sooner the better. And yes, there will be people willing to take over the reins, but you don''t find if you don''t look.[/quote] I agree with everything Gazza says above. The board is supposed to lead and live or die by those choices. They have screwed up royally on a number of occasions now; Worthy was pure luck as they went for the cheapest option again. Their decisions have been shocking; doubly so as when we did get to the Prem, they promised us they knew the risks and had budgeted accordingly, prudence with ambition was banded about; we believed them. And they messed up, and now we''re in a worse position than before we got there; how is that? We must start holding the board to account; we the shareholders and fans have a duty to later generations of supporters. I hope that next season we can do what Leicester did this season and take League 1, Division 3, by storm; but right now I have my doubts. We need experience in charge, not rookies. Sorry Gunny, et al, but we cannot afford to take risks, no matter what the cost.

After some 37 years supporting City, I never thought it would come to this. As I live away and have not made a game this season, I''m not really in a position to say where it went wrong in this, or the past four seasons. Anything that is going to bring about change at the club has to be good, and if this is the start, then so be it. My grammar isn''t perfect when I''m angry either; surely the foram is about views rather than an English O Level? The board has lost all credibility with the fans, and after the series of appointments as coach and manager, like the Man in the Stands says, why should we have confidence that those who have screwed up so badly should be trusted in knowing how to right this mess? The board should go as soon as possible, new money, if possible, brought in, and someone with experience brought in as manager appointed to sort the mess that is this once great club. I''m beyond being angry, God knows how those who have sat through this season must feel. Sorry for ever thinking the board knew what they were doing.

It needs to be shouted about. Delia has a face that would turn fresh milk sour. Maybe its a new recipe?

Lets not forget that Martin O''Neil would have not walked out if it were not for Chase; and then would we be now.

My late Dad and I boycotted the club because of Chase. He said to me in a letter that I wasn''t a true fan; he used to read the letters page in the pink Un and sent me a clipping from the Torygraph or something say how well run the club was. And then we went all bankrupt and all that. Saying that, I was thinking the other day day Delia and Co are not that far from that now, and all has been sold. Where now. There are no answers, only memories.

[quote user="Croydon Canary"] I tell you where it all went wrong.The year Norwich won promotion Worthington panicked in the close season.He decided several key characters were not good enough for the Prem.Malky and Iwan in paricular.Worthy probably felt under pressure to spend to strengthen,unfortunatley this broke up the "special feeling " in and around the club at the time.So despite large wages being paid out to players the side was probably no stronger but the winning mentality had been lost.Think of Hull this season. The January signing of Ahston nearly bailed us out.Of course the Fulham capitulation was significant.Worthy was kept on too long.Grant couldn,t handle the job.Roeder started aquiring loan players.Then the final nail in the coffin was not re-signing Huckerby. The team lacks presence and leadership in defence and midfield and no pace upfront.The writing was on the proverbial wall with that 5-1 loss to Spurs pre-season. We are just in a downward spiral,poor results,demotion,reduced income poorer players.It has to end somewhere and things have to stabilise,lets hope that isn,t in league two!. My wish for next season whatever division that maybe is.NO MORE F***ING LOANS ! [/quote]   I have to agree with most of the above. Serious mistakes made then, and not sacking Worthy in the autumn of 2005, gutless to be honest. Saying thatit seemed to me back then that there is a certain section of support that is only happy when they have something to complain about. The idiot at Old Trafford springs to mind. That year we conceded over 70 goals, 73 seems to be the figure in my mind, and we scored lass than 40, that is a recipe for relegation no matterwas it a point or one goal that sent us down. We went down because we were not good enough over the course of the season.

Hope they can go one better this year; it was a great day out last year.

Hard to disagree. How painful this all is. Where did it all go wrong? How did it come to this?

It is a fact that teams playing at home in the football league, Premier league or wherever in Europe ow the TV rights for that game. It''s that for the timebeing the Prem has chosen to seel domestic rights en bloc. What annoys me is the assertion, or apparant assertion that football began in 1992 by Sky, and that before then it was the dark ages; when in fact the Prem is just the old Football league Division 1 rebranded. And yes, the Prem has ruined football; are we more entertained with the Prem today than Div 1 20 years ago? I''m not. As for it being the best league in the world, who are you kidding? When only one of maybe 5 teams can actually win it, and only what four teams have won it since it began, how is that in any way competitvie???

I don''t see how petty name calling is going to get us anywhere guys. And like it or not without Delia when she and MWJ arrived, the club would be in a worse position without her. Yes, the time has come for her to go, but not without a replacement board and money. Questions could and should be asked as to why that has not happened before now.

He shot his c#me over Mariner''s bum, eric Gates always made me smile.

I agree, whoever let ITV anywhere near football after the digital fiasco, thier premier league coverage and now this. Somethings should be worth more than just money, quality for one. Just be thankful MOTD is on for another few years.

Is this what we''re reduced to. Sorry, answered my own question there. Can we buy someone at Poundland?

Yes it was for the reasons stated above. We have to get points at home, doubly so when we play relegation rivals. Fingers crossed for tonight and the can pull out a good performance.

I have supported this board and the previous Chase one with reservations, but mostly thinking they knew what they were doing. And look where it has gotten us? I have to agree that it was the wrong appointment at the wrong time. One decent result and performance and he gets the job. Others have turned after one poor second half performance. I am not going to stand by quietly and say nothing when I think the board has got it so wrong. Like a previous poster I hope to be proven wrong, and hope to God that I will be. I may not go to many games these days due to work and now living in deepest Kent, does not mean I don''t care. We need someone with connections who can attract loanees of new signings, as nice a bloke as Gunny is, I don''t see that happening. Or another manager letting a newbie manager with a prized asset.

A little bit of honesty and less spin from Carrow Road would be nice. I find myself agreeing with 1st Wiz

I have to agree with every word as well. Over the past few years I have stood up to support a series of crap managers and the board. I will do this no longer. To all those I have argued against of belittled, I was wrong, you were right. I wantr Brian to succseed as much as any one else, but I fear for the club now. I just wish people would take off their yellow and green spectacles and see what is happening.

NO.   I want them to do well, but it is the cheapest option again. I fear it will all end in tears. We need someone to come in and reorganise the club from the bottom up, is this the team to do that?

The cheapest option for sure. No experience of a relegation scrap. And no contacts for getting in decent signings or loans. Unless Gunny can bend SAF''s ear a few times; like Ronaldo going cheap! The board has lost it, although these days I dubt if they ever had it.

Another lack of ambition. I love Gunny but he is untested, untried. Would have been better to have anyone with experience.   I will rally behind him, but this will only end in tears.   We should have known better really.

He was interviewd on Radio 5 Wednesday afternoon and made mention of how frightened Roeder''s wife had been of the demonstrations outside in Carrow Road. The guy is a dick, but then don''t most media types have to tread a line when reporting about clubs so as not to be barred and have to watch the game over a neighbours hedge on a set of steps.

For once I am in total agreement, this is final proof that the board has lost its collective mind. Just how stupid does this once great football club look now? This is the lowest point I have felt in 36 years supporting City. Go delia, Go MWJ, Go Niel Doomcaster, just @#+@ off.   And to think that some thought there was a plan yesterday..............

The truth is Hucks only tried when he wanted, and even though I have not been a regular for a couple of seasons, he was not pulling his weight then. A few good performances in the past few weeks seem to have swayed many. No doubt he was a legend, but everyone has a sell by date. And then there is the wages he pulls; money that this club cannot justify for another season. And then there is briefings he did against the last manager; the latest in a long line of fall outs with managers. There is no room for sentimentality in modern football. I love the guy for what he did back in 2003-04, but that is history. He is gone; get over it, it aint the end of the world. We have sold many better players over the years, and its not been the end of the world.

Jeez guys, sometimes you even amaze me; with the run we are on, and the team not doing bad, you still find something to moan about. I listened to Radio 5 this afternoon, and what is clear she bleeds yellow and green blood, and wants what is best. She says she will move on if someone comes in who has the right credentials, i.e. a City supporter. The one disappointment was that she did not admit to the mistakes of the past two years, which I would hope. Lets hope that this new book and tv show will means she will be able to put more money into the club. How do you think she managed to do it up to know, by actually working. This is what she does. Maybe if certain people around here started to look with their eyes open rather than through the clouded judgement. However, miracles don''t happen that often. Lets get behind the team and club, shall we?