Has Snoddy been fined yet and made to train with the development squad?

[Fleck@Millwall 0]

What I wanted to hear from our manager when asked about penalty-gate: "it will be dealt with internally" what I don''t want to hear is a political spin about confidence and we don''t get many spot kicks blah blah when our out-of-form winger goes renegade and costs us dearly. He clearly wasn''t nor isn''t confident at the minute, better efforts on goal have been witnessed at half-time during the cross-bar challenge than that lame effort. Houghton needs to stamp his authority and this would be a clear message to everyone about who runs the dressing room.

[City 2nd 193]

You have to be in the dressing room to run it!

[Block Y Seat 176 80]

Towards the end of last season there had been a few problems at Stoke and even Pullis admitted the dressing room was a bit of a no go area for him. I thought this a very dangerous thing to say and i was not surprised when he moved on.

H

[Block Y Seat 176 80]

Going back to your thread title that is exactly what, Clough, Oneil and Lambert would do, make an example and ostracise a player for stepping out of line.

H

[Fleck@Millwall 0]

That''s extraordinary stuff. I recall the story of Pullis coming out of the shower and head butting James Beattie over a Xmas party request. You just knew at that point that Pullis was Bertie Big Bollox in that dressing room so to descend to a no-go area shows an astonishing fall from power.

Am I following correctly that it''s implied that Hoots is not in our dressing room!!! Blimey, it''s like Apocalypse Now.

[ReadingCanary 0]

[quote user="haisbrohacker"]Going back to your thread title that is exactly what, Clough, Oneil and Lambert would do, make an example and ostracise a player for stepping out of line.

H[/quote]Yep. A Snodgrass who is coming back from Injury and low on confidence should be shouted at and made example of by our manager.That will definitely ease him back into being the player he was last season.....You really being serious?

[Fleck@Millwall 0]

[quote user="ReadingCanary"][quote user="haisbrohacker"]Going back to your thread title that is exactly what, Clough, Oneil and Lambert would do, make an example and ostracise a player for stepping out of line.

H[/quote]Yep. A Snodgrass who is coming back from Injury and low on confidence should be shouted at and made example of by our manager.That will definitely ease him back into being the player he was last season.....You really being serious?[/quote]

Yes simply because he did wrong. He has also created a slight sh*t storm for the manager by his actions. He''s not paid to make those decisions.

[ReadingCanary 0]

Right so that would leave us on the Right with no Elliot Bennett (injury) and no Snodgrass (excluded from the squad)Glad you''re not our manager

[Tetteys Jig 853]

Anything should be dealt with in private away from the public eye, Di Canio lost his job doing that. As someone alluded to, he''s not a war criminal, the punishment should fit the crime, a dressing down in private and no more penalties will do. (Maybe an extra hours training on his crossing)

[ReadingCanary 0]

[quote user="Jimmy Smith"]Anything should be dealt with in private away from the public eye, Di Canio lost his job doing that. As someone alluded to, he''s not a war criminal, the punishment should fit the crime, a dressing down in private and no more penalties will do. (Maybe an extra hours training on his crossing)[/quote]This. This. This.

[Hairy Canary 773]

I sometimes wonder how many people on here have actually managed anyone. Management is about getting the best out of people not just dishing out punishments and belittling them.

That''s particularly true about sports people who''s performances are obviously linked to confidence. Sure Snodgrass needs to know he went beyond the boundaries but how he is deal with is down to Hughton and his knowledge of Snodgrass as a person.

Whether you like the political spin that comes out in public or not is of no consequence compared with what happens behind the scenes.

[Reggie Strayshun 0]

Jimmy beat me to it, but the Di Canio fiasco is testament to managers who wash their dirty linen in public, so is the OP seriously suggesting that CH should publicly lambast Snodders ?

No, this is something that should be dealt with at Colney, but I would agree that it is indeed something where Hughton needs to show some authority for once. The penalty farce is symptomatic of the way the team is being run (sic) at present.

[crabbycanary 2]

Well said Hairy.

I would shudder watching how some people on here, would run a team of people, whether it be in sport or business.

 

One hour extra Jimmy? is that all? He had an hour and a half on Saturday and didn''t get it right!!

[Fleck@Millwall 0]

Well, as long as it is dealt with but I don;t think Snoddy should be starting anyway at Stoke. I also think Houghton needs to make some sort of statement to be honest because there seems to be a group of less than content footballers and these types of incident don''t occur when everything is cool. Accepting you can read too much into things and if we were flying or he scored no one cares but it smacked a lot of egos and no rule of law nor was it good for team spirit. We need RVW in amongst the goals, Snoddy should have been telling him words of encouragement not telling him to f*ck off he was taking it.

[Yellow Wal 316]

haisbrohacker wrote the following post at 24/09/2013 8:12 AM:

Going back to your thread title that is exactly what, Clough, Oneil and Lambert would do, make an example and ostracise a player for stepping out of line.

I think your memory of Mr Clough must be different to mine.

I do not think he would ever have played for Mr Clough again.

[Yellow Wal 316]

............. but I also think he would not have dared to disobey instructions.

[CambridgeCanary 0]

Fans are quick to criticise when players hide and don''t take responsibility yet Snodgrass is crucified for having the desire and confidence to demand the penalty.  If he had scored none of this nonsense would be going on.   I agree he is going through a difficult patch.  But, he has been humiliated before the millions who watch the Premier League by pushing himself forward and messing up.   I doubt if there is anything useful anyone else can say to him.  He knows he made a complete pratt of himself.

 

Why are some posters so obsessed with this incident?  I''ve said elsewhere that we could have easily ended up with a situation where Snodgrass was overruled and Ricky missed.  Then, the same people persecuting Snodgrass and especially Hughton for not being assertive would be criticising Ricky and Hughton for being too regimented and not being flexible enough to allow the form player who wants the penalty to have a go.

 

As ever, Hughton is damned whatever he did because some posters want to damn him whatever he does.

[PurpleCanary 6,463]

[quote user="CambridgeCanary"]

Fans are quick to criticise when players hide and don''t take responsibility yet Snodgrass is crucified for having the desire and confidence to demand the penalty.  If he had scored none of this nonsense would be going on.   I agree he is going through a difficult patch.  But, he has been humiliated before the millions who watch the Premier League by pushing himself forward and messing up.   I doubt if there is anything useful anyone else can say to him.  He knows he made a complete pratt of himself.

 

Why are some posters so obsessed with this incident?  I''ve said elsewhere that we could have easily ended up with a situation where Snodgrass was overruled and Ricky missed.  Then, the same people persecuting Snodgrass and especially Hughton for not being assertive would be criticising Ricky and Hughton for being too regimented and not being flexible enough to allow the form player who wants the penalty to have a go.

 

As ever, Hughton is damned whatever he did because some posters want to damn him whatever he does.

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Because either way it shows Hughton in a bad light. And this is from a (now pondering) Hughton supporter. If - as seems to be the case - RvW was the designated taker, and everyone knew that, then for Snodgrass to take the kick was to overrule a clear order from the manager. If a manager is so little respected/feared that his orders can count for nothing that is a really bad sign.On the other hand if the players had left training on Friday without a crystal-clear instruction from the manager as to who was the designated penalty-taker then that is rank bad preparation.

[snake-eyes 13]

Sorry Cambridge but no one would have done that if Ricky had missed and Snodgrass is not the form player!

Snodgrass was being nothing but selfish and arrogant!

He deserves to be criticised and a little humility will do him some good.

Snake

[Nicko 0]

[quote user="ReadingCanary"][quote user="haisbrohacker"]Going back to your thread title that is exactly what, Clough, Oneil and Lambert would do, make an example and ostracise a player for stepping out of line.

H[/quote]Yep. A Snodgrass who is coming back from Injury and low on confidence should be shouted at and made example of by our manager.That will definitely ease him back into being the player he was last season.....You really being serious?[/quote]

Er yes. Just because he''s coming back from injury doesn''t make him exempt from being responsible for his actions.

In my opinion and probably a lot of others - we lost the games because of him. The look on RVW''s face when Snodgrass takes the ball off him winds me up so much I feel like we should throw the book at him.

[Reggie Strayshun 0]

Cambridge, the clue is in your second sentence. Unfortunately, for Snodders, he did NOT convert the penalty. At this level, it''s only any good pulling rank if you deliver. He didn''t. End of.

Sadly, on a wider level, the matter typifies the whole thread of indiscipline running through the squad at present. People arguing amongst themselves. People putting in unacceptable performances. People not even doing the simple things correctly. People blatantly disobeying the manager''s instructions. And that manager continuing to fiddle while Rome burns.

That, to answer your later question is why so many of us are getting , as you put it "obsessed " with this incident.

[Nicko 0]

''Pulling rank'' - what kind of rank does Snoddy have over RVW?!

If anything RVW earns more than Snoddy (probably) so shouldn''t really have a leg to stand on.

[Reggie Strayshun 0]

There was some suggestion in the Media on Sat, that Snodders would have more say than RvW, on account of being at the club for longer.

Whether that applies or, if it did, I''d agree with it ,is another matter......

[Six Pack 105]

[quote user="ReadingCanary"]Right so that would leave us on the Right with no Elliot Bennett (injury) and no Snodgrass (excluded from the squad)Glad you''re not our manager[/quote]

 

What an absolute gutless tool you are ! As far as I''m concern if Snodgrass undermines the manager  - he''s played his last game for this club !

Overreacting - I have stepped back - thought about it and come to the same conclusion.

I don''t care if we don''t have a specialist right winger - he should be heavily fined (the most allowable by the club) & then shipped out on loan until the January window opens. I have no interest seeing this ass-wipe at the club again !

 

If Van Wolfwinkel had missed - at least the best qualified player would have taken the penalty - so I have no problems with that.

 

Professional sports is a business - he''s committed gross misconduct - I''m not interested in justifying his action or what he did last season. There are people here pathetically pampering him !  

 

Snodgrass thinks he''s bigger than the club - I''m not ok with that !

 

 

[Block Y Seat 176 80]

[quote user="ReadingCanary"][quote user="haisbrohacker"]Going back to your thread title that is exactly what, Clough, Oneil and Lambert would do, make an example and ostracise a player for stepping out of line.

H[/quote]Yep. A Snodgrass who is coming back from Injury and low on confidence should be shouted at and made example of by our manager.That will definitely ease him back into being the player he was last season.....You really being serious?[/quote]

Snodgrass low on confidence?

Hughton, we have a problem.

SOLVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!

[YankeeCanary 0]

[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="CambridgeCanary"]

Fans are quick to criticise when players hide and don''t take responsibility yet Snodgrass is crucified for having the desire and confidence to demand the penalty.  If he had scored none of this nonsense would be going on.   I agree he is going through a difficult patch.  But, he has been humiliated before the millions who watch the Premier League by pushing himself forward and messing up.   I doubt if there is anything useful anyone else can say to him.  He knows he made a complete pratt of himself.

 

Why are some posters so obsessed with this incident?  I''ve said elsewhere that we could have easily ended up with a situation where Snodgrass was overruled and Ricky missed.  Then, the same people persecuting Snodgrass and especially Hughton for not being assertive would be criticising Ricky and Hughton for being too regimented and not being flexible enough to allow the form player who wants the penalty to have a go.

 

As ever, Hughton is damned whatever he did because some posters want to damn him whatever he does.

[/quote]

 

Because either way it shows Hughton in a bad light. And this is from a (now pondering) Hughton supporter. If - as seems to be the case - RvW was the designated taker, and everyone knew that, then for Snodgrass to take the kick was to overrule a clear order from the manager. If a manager is so little respected/feared that his orders can count for nothing that is a really bad sign.

On the other hand if the players had left training on Friday without a crystal-clear instruction from the manager as to who was the designated penalty-taker then that is rank bad preparation.

[/quote]

 

Cambridge, with all due respect, Purple has now pointed out to you almost exactly what I did earlier. I hope this time you absorb the points. Your repeated input is again filled with "ifs" but it''s not about that. Further, your comment about flexibility being shown for the form player is not only irrelevant but, in this case, is exactly the opposite for the player in question. 

[CambridgeCanary 0]

This Board is full of months of complaints that the players are too shackled by Hughton.  Indeed, there is a convenient and popular myth that we beat WBA because the players disobeyed orders.   I must have missed all the demands for the squad to be disciplined after that game.

 

So, beating West Brom by disobeying Hughton = Good.

Snodgrass missing penalty by disobeying Hughton = Bad.

 

However you dress this up, it is about outcomes and finding the convenient stick to attack Hughton 

[clarkey1972 0]

Why did RVW not tell him to fek off and take the ball back.

Man up Ricky and grow a pair.

[nutty nigel 7,963]

[quote user="CambridgeCanary"]

 

 

So, beating West Brom by disobeying Hughton = Good.

Snodgrass missing penalty by disobeying Hughton = Bad.

 

 

[/quote]

 

This is a very good point if made to some posters Cambridge. But only those who attribute our victory over WBA to revolting players[:S]

 

I don''t believe either the players or Hughton have come out and said they were revolting in that game but apparently Hughton has said his orders were disobeyed in the penalty incident.

 

 

[PurpleCanary 6,463]

[quote user="CambridgeCanary"]

This Board is full of months of complaints that the players are too shackled by Hughton.  Indeed, there is a convenient and popular myth that we beat WBA because the players disobeyed orders.   I must have missed all the demands for the squad to be disciplined after that game.

 

So, beating West Brom by disobeying Hughton = Good.

Snodgrass missing penalty by disobeying Hughton = Bad.

 

However you dress this up, it is about outcomes and finding the convenient stick to attack Hughton 

[/quote]

 

This is nonsense. You are basing your argument on what you admit is a myth (the players disobeying Hughton in the WBA game) for which there is - as far as I know - no evidence at all. That some posters believe that is what happened doesn''t make it so.