We Gave Football to the World!

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

We gave cricket to the world.

We gave rugby to the world.

We have given plenty of great sports to the world so is it possible the Pilgrim Fathers decided to have a game of rounders one day and founded a world series?

[morty 0]

Oh.

[YankeeCanary 0]

Baseball, of course, pre-dated rounders.

[Europe_93 50]

[quote user="YankeeCanary"]Baseball, of course, pre-dated rounders.[/quote]

that''s what you call a thread stopper

[Ivana_rubyatitz 6]

lol, if only we had a tumble weed smiley!!

[ZLF 335]

Bat and ball was a central european game from the middle ages and gave rise to rounders and baseball which were interchangable names for the same thing?

[The Fish Seller 0]

[quote user="YankeeCanary"]Baseball, of course, pre-dated rounders.[/quote]Your Government been tinkering with the history books again Yankee?

[Paul Lamberts Disciple 0]

[quote user="Buckethead"][quote user="YankeeCanary"]Baseball, of course, pre-dated rounders.[/quote]Your Government been tinkering with the history books again Yankee?[/quote]Oh, surely we can donate him this meaningless fragment of heritage; it''s not like there''s much else.

[Attleborough_Canary 96]

[quote user="Buckethead"][quote user="YankeeCanary"]Baseball, of course, pre-dated rounders.[/quote]

Your Government been tinkering with the history books again Yankee?
[/quote]

Yankee, you are of course, WRONG!

[Old Shuck 291]

Loved the quote from one of the players from New Orleans..

"...we''re now World Champions baby!!..."

Erm...well, you''re not actually. Sorry, but the world doesn''t begin and end in your country. How about opening the competition to the world-you know, that spherical shaped object (not sponsored by Bud Lite) that is busy hurtling around the Sun...win that, then, THEN you can be "..World Champions baby!!"-until then you remain, as you are now, champions of continental North America. Thankyou.

[singing canary 0]

and i would really love to see the world cup on home soil at some point in my life time ..

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

I visited an American rounders game last year. The ball kept going into the crowd but that was okay because it was nice and soft.

Not that it stopped the fielders wearing gloves to catch it with.

The whole thing was a family occasion but the sport seemed to take second place.

[6088m canary 4]

hehhe.Well i forget which country....england or france but baseball is definitely not an american invention.AS for the world series of anything......pretty pathetic indeed.Especially given that the World or Olympic champions of baseball are not the yanks anyway :S

[Bethnal Yellow and Green 2,424]

[quote user="6088m canary"]hehhe.
Well i forget which country....england or france but baseball is definitely not an american invention.
AS for the world series of anything......pretty pathetic indeed.
Especially given that the World or Olympic champions of baseball are not the yanks anyway :S

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The World Series is named "World" as it was founded by a newspaper with the same name, not because it involves teams from around the world.

[Houston Canary 0]

[quote user="Old Shuck"]Loved the quote from one of the players from New Orleans..

"...we''re now World Champions baby!!..."

Erm...well, you''re not actually. Sorry, but the world doesn''t begin and end in your country. How about opening the competition to the world-you know, that spherical shaped object (not sponsored by Bud Lite) that is busy hurtling around the Sun...win that, then, THEN you can be "..World Champions baby!!"-until then you remain, as you are now, champions of continental North America. Thankyou.[/quote]

WRONG! The Saints are the world champions of American football. There is no team outside the US that could play a decent game with them, let alone beat them.

The World Series DOES decide which team is best in the world. For decades, the only people in the world that played the game were Americans. As such, the championship was rightly called the World Series. Now other countries who want to be like Americans and have adopted our sport, but their best players all come to the Major Leagues to play, so the championship is still the World Series.

The Olympics baseball champ is not the world champ per se because the Olympics don''t include very many of the top players. The best players are busy playing for the Yankees, Blue Jays or Reds during the Olympics. Likewise, the Olympic soccer champ is not the world champ. Now for hockey, that''s different!

[In Dubious Battle 0]

Forgive my ignorance, but does the world series include all countries from North America kind of like a champions league of baseball or is it just the USA?

[First Jedi 0]

"Now other countries who want to be like Americans and have adopted our sport, but their best players all come to the Major Leagues to play, so the championship is still the World Series. "

So... we should call the Premiership the World Championships and just be done with it, eh?

[First Jedi 0]

"Now other countries who want to be like Americans"

Love this line BTW... haha....

[YankeeCanary 0]

[quote user="Attleborough_Canary"]

[quote user="Buckethead"][quote user="YankeeCanary"]Baseball, of course, pre-dated rounders.[/quote]

Your Government been tinkering with the history books again Yankee?
[/quote]

Yankee, you are of course, WRONG!

[/quote]

I am? Do you have any evidence for your capital opinion Attleborough? Zippers, at least, had the good manners to put a question mark after his assertion. If you were to check the history books THOROUGHLY ( there''s a wiser use for capital letters ) you may arrive at a different conclusion.

P.S: My apologies for the layout of my replies. I am on the road and, for whatever reason, my laptop is not performing the same way as my desktop computer. Perhaps someone can educate me. You see I don''t profess to know everything.

[Phyxius 0]

In Rugby League there is a World Club Challenge which sees the winners of the Super League and Australian league meet to contest for the best World club. Primarily i''d assume because the only two professionally competitive Rugby League leagues are in England and Australia.

It''s very much the same with American Football with the possible exception of the Canadian Football League which has in some cases vast different rules to it''s American counterpart there are no other professional American Football leagues in the world. Which is why the New Orleans Saints can proclaim themselves as World Champions.

In baseball i there is a Japanese professional league but i confess i don''t know how it compares in skill level to the MLB. Perhaps the World Series winner should play the Japanese league winner in a best of 7 for the title of World Champions.

[Attleborough_Canary 96]

[quote user="YankeeCanary"][quote user="Attleborough_Canary"]

[quote user="Buckethead"][quote user="YankeeCanary"]Baseball, of course, pre-dated rounders.[/quote]

Your Government been tinkering with the history books again Yankee?
[/quote]

Yankee, you are of course, WRONG!

[/quote] I am? Do you have any evidence for your capital opinion Attleborough? Zippers, at least, had the good manners to put a question mark after his assertion. If you were to check the history books THOROUGHLY ( there''s a wiser use for capital letters ) you may arrive at a different conclusion. P.S: My apologies for the layout of my replies. I am on the road and, for whatever reason, my laptop is not performing the same way as my desktop computer. Perhaps someone can educate me. You see I don''t profess to know everything.[/quote]

http://www.schools.pinellas.k12.fl.us/educators/tec/mutert2/begbb.html

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blbaseball.htm

Hundreds of links to websites stating the same thing, what some more?

[In Dubious Battle 0]

[quote user="Phyxius"]In Rugby League there is a World Club Challenge which sees the winners of the Super League and Australian league meet to contest for the best World club. Primarily i''d assume because the only two professionally competitive Rugby League leagues are in England and Australia.

It''s very much the same with American Football with the possible exception of the Canadian Football League which has in some cases vast different rules to it''s American counterpart there are no other professional American Football leagues in the world. Which is why the New Orleans Saints can proclaim themselves as World Champions.

In baseball i there is a Japanese professional league but i confess i don''t know how it compares in skill level to the MLB. Perhaps the World Series winner should play the Japanese league winner in a best of 7 for the title of World Champions.[/quote]Cuba & Venezuela have professional baseball leagues there may be a few other Central American countries as well.

[Houston Canary 0]

First Jedi, I threw that line in about "wanting to be like Americans" because I know it raises the hackles of the easily offended who insecurely disparage the term "World Series" and it amuses me to do that. Thanks for the props!

I don''t think you could call the Prem champ the world champ because unlike Major League Baseball, the Prem is not exclusive to the top talent in the world. The top Japanese players come to the US, but only scrubs and past-their-prime Americans go to Japan to play.

Phyxius, the CFL is not terribly different from the NFL, but the talent level is way lower. Each year, 1 or 2 CFLers make NFL rosters while the CFL is filled with American players who were not NFL quality. the top CFL players are almost all Americans. The CFL has a rule to limit the number of American players a team can have. It is a very exciting game to watch, though.

[PurpleCanary 6,386]

[quote user="Houston Canary"]Phyxius, the CFL is not terribly different from the NFL, but the talent level is way lower.[/quote]Presumably that''s because the CFL players can''t afford as many illegal performance-enhancing drugs as the rich kids in the NFL?[;)]

[ZLF 335]

The principle of a game based on kicking a ball about is centuries old and probably eminated in ancient Egypt although that is unclear.  Football is widely documented in England since the middle ages.   However formal rules and leagues were not introduced until the mid 19th century.   During the intervening centuries it had various guises, names, rules  team sizes,  pitch shapes and sizes etc etc.  It is only the current form that was codified in the 19th century and modified ever since.

Likewise baseball is a variant of rounders (the first documented use of the term baseball dates from England in the 1700s) which itself is an English variant of a bat ball game first mentioned 300+ years earlier in mainland europe.  

The current version of baseball,  like soccer,  was only codified in the 19th century and yes in America.  However I would contend that baseball is actually a European game and arguably football an African one.

If your yardstick is who first codified the laws,  then yes,  Football is English, and Baseball American.

[First Jedi 0]

"First Jedi, I threw that line in about "wanting to be like Americans" because I know it raises the hackles"

Raise the heckles? Raised a laugh more like! I mean seriously - wanting to be like Americans? How can anyone say that with a straight face! haha! Nice work! :)

[Mello Yello 2,572]

No Helmets.....No Pads......Just Balls.....

[. 0]

[quote user="YankeeCanary"][quote user="Attleborough_Canary"]

[quote user="Buckethead"][quote user="YankeeCanary"]Baseball, of course, pre-dated rounders.[/quote]

Your Government been tinkering with the history books again Yankee?
[/quote]

Yankee, you are of course, WRONG!

[/quote] I am? Do you have any evidence for your capital opinion Attleborough? Zippers, at least, had the good manners to put a question mark after his assertion. If you were to check the history books THOROUGHLY ( there''s a wiser use for capital letters ) you may arrive at a different conclusion. P.S: My apologies for the layout of my replies. I am on the road and, for whatever reason, my laptop is not performing the same way as my desktop computer. Perhaps someone can educate me. You see I don''t profess to know everything.[/quote]

Hopefully with multiple tyre marks from passing cars........

[morty 0]

[quote user="Cluck the Purist...."][quote user="YankeeCanary"][quote user="Attleborough_Canary"]

[quote user="Buckethead"][quote user="YankeeCanary"]Baseball, of course, pre-dated rounders.[/quote]Your Government been tinkering with the history books again Yankee?[/quote]

Yankee, you are of course, WRONG!

[/quote] I am? Do you have any evidence for your capital opinion Attleborough? Zippers, at least, had the good manners to put a question mark after his assertion. If you were to check the history books THOROUGHLY ( there''s a wiser use for capital letters ) you may arrive at a different conclusion. P.S: My apologies for the layout of my replies. I am on the road and, for whatever reason, my laptop is not performing the same way as my desktop computer. Perhaps someone can educate me. You see I don''t profess to know everything.[/quote]

Hopefully with multiple tyre marks from passing cars........

[/quote]Lol!!!!![:D]

[Houston Canary 0]

PurpleCanary, isn''t the typical NFL player some fatherless wretch from the ghetto where steroids would not be the drug being sold illegally?

Actually, a big part of the reason the CFL talent is weaker than the NFL is that Canadian youth are geared towards hockey first, not football. Also, the few top talent Canadian players are in the NFL.