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Great performance tonight
Rudolph Hucker replied to hogesar's topic in Main Discussion - Norwich City
It also showed what we are missing to have a proper go at promotion and that is goals taken. -
1p5wich have become such an irrelevance it has been difficult to generate much emotion as it has long ceased to be a rivalry. They haven''t been a peer club for donkeys years. But Lambert going there will help. I struggle to name a couple of their players these days. But his tenure will create interest. If Mccarthy struggled with fans and owner Lambert will implode. He will want funds. His time at Norwich was golden but I think we now understand that success needs a player/supporters bond, good back room leadership and the right assistants and players. It ALL has to come together. I fell out with Lambert after seeing his touchline behaviour when Villa beat us in a cup game. He and his new side both belong in the past.
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Just seen his goal saving block after a clearance. Wow! Just, Wow!! Talk about a turning point. Villa would have been 2-0 up. Outstanding defending, spirit and athleticism.
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Lakey has it spot on.
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There is a lot of optimism around and rightly so but then again Forest fans had that on Saturday and it became expectation then frustration which affected the team. Norwich City has suffered the same curse for a very long time. Home games have always been our strength but this has not been the case last season or this and the opposition knows it as, unfortunately so do our players who have it as a burden. Until we can get wins in the circumstances of tonight''s game we will not progress. Alternatively, make home games count and anything is possible. In a. League without a runaway leader (yet) all sides seem to struggle for consistent wins in an age where counter attacking is the main weapon. But if you look at the likes 9f Man City and Liverpool the ideology of all out attack at home serves them well. Maybe it charges the crowd and the atmosphere. I hope Norwich just go for it from the off. They may as well.
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[quote user="Hoola Han Solo"]I think you also have to accept that some of the older generation voted Leave purely on the grounds of bigoted racism. I know of a few who voted purely for this reason.[/quote] Like other offences those associated with racism used to be judged on a ''reasonable person'' test IE objectively. But it was made a subjective offence whereby is any person believes a comment or action was racist then it was. It allowed onlookers to be offended on behalf of someone else and declare an offence was committed. This will be genuine in some cases but it is basically a ''thought crime''. This drives peoples attitudes underground, they don''t debate so they don''t learn and this is also why pollsters couldn''t predict Brexit or the Trump election because people who voted one way generally kept quiet. It would be reasonable, listening to discussions on ALL levels to believe that the Remain debate is overwhelmingly the main view. It clearly is not. We now have ''dog whistle racism'' or ''racist tropes.'' It is like a witch hunt, like the Inquisition. History doesn''t change because people don''t change and one thing people will do is seek to exercise power and a very handy way to do that is to accuse. If you accuse someone else of racism or any other ism it not only puts them on the back foot because they have to defend themselves against this subjective charge it also ingratiates the accuser who is basically saying, as judge I must be a non-racist etc or basically better than you. British society is incredibly fair, probably the fairest in the world, we like to criticise ourselves and we are not perfect but this is so. We are also open to criticism on the subject so vulnerable to malicious intent. Do we see much overt racism? No. Are we all aware of each others differences - absolutely as this is to be human. On this basis and on the current threshold we are all racist: me, you Hoola Han Solo, everyone. That is human, we are imperfect. It is an awareness of our faults though which makes us civilised.
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[quote user="nutty nigel"]No idea who to vote for. Late to the party Rudolph but you got there in the end. As for the "Generation Game" it''s our lot who are responsible for the things you are whining about. The Millennials were born into it.[/quote] Nigel. If you feel so guilty I suggest you go stand outside the Forum in a coarse hair mankini and flagellate yourself with an 1p5wich scarf wrapped in the European flag. The BBC would rush down from their offices to venerate you.
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[quote user="cornish sam"]Rudolph (I''m not quoting because it doesn''t work and would make this messy). I''m not just blaming the parents, there are a whole host of factors and multiple generations responsible and whilst I agree with some of your criticisms it is not fair to blame the millennials alone. I wholeheartedly agree with you on the stupidity of expecting 50% of people to go to university, just like I disagree with the rebranding of polys to unis. It devalues a university education which should be for the most able. However, I also believe that the university education should be free as it then encourages people to study things they are really interested in as opposed to doing a cost/benefit analysis to decide if the degree is worth the 50k of debt. This level of debt also contributes towards the perceived lack of rebellion from the youth as they are too concerned with coming out of the unis (previously a hotbed of activism and recolt) with a bit of paper that is perceived to be worth the debt. Some of your comments though are reinforcing the sense of entitlement, why should more young people be able to afford a house? In some countries the expectation is to rent (e.g. Germany only 51% own their own home), more of a problem is the lack of social housing thanks to the massive selloffs of council houses that were never replaced. And to the point of low skilled workers, if the young natives aren''t willing to do it now (hence the number of eastern Europeans and others filling those roles) then why would they be willing to do it after Brexit? 50 years ago thousands of Londoners used to go to Kent every summer for the harvest, that isn''t a something that''s going to just start happening again unless wages are astronomical, which would then make the produce unaffordable. I could go in a lot more on this topic, but I''m not going to here. To surmise: You might have voted thinking it was for your children and grandchildren, but, you are voting based on the experiences of your generation, the world has moved on immeasurably since then and we can''t go back. Globalisation, the internet, people''s attitude/expectations have changed everything and the only way to get ahead is to embrace it and be at the forefront. The EU is in no ways perfect, but we are stronger being part of it than outside it and when this becomes blatantly apparent and we try to get back in we will be shafted again. I fear for my children''s generation, they are already facing so many problems with environmental issues, economic problems, overcrowding, increasing political and military tensions. Isolationism does no one any favours and just makes it harder to address global problems, we shouldn''t have done that to our kids.[/quote] Good discussion, thank you. I am always able to see other points of view. I was personally ''just'' in favour of leaving as I love Europe and the various peoples. I have travelled extensively and value the experiences. But I have not changed my mind for some of the reasons given. I don''t expect to die of old age any time soon but I am angered by this argument that as a number of elderly persons have passed on the vote will swing. I find that incredibly offensive. I probably reacted accordingly. Once again, good debate. OTBC
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The good news for those wishing to remain in the EU is that a General Election this year or in the near future is highly likely. The bad news is: who the hell amongst the rabble on all sides of our political system do I vote for? I honestly no longer know, it isn''t enough any more to vote ''against'' a party because the recipient party is riven with division and incompetents. I suspect many, many people will feel the same way.
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[quote user="cornish sam"]Rudolph - what a load of claptrap. People grow up according to the environment they are brought up in, if they are brought up to be hardworking then they will most likely be hard working, if they are given everything and shown people being giving everything then they will expect that treatment going forwards. Now, who set the environment that millennials grew up in? It sure as hell wasn''t them. Also, the reduction in pro ratad wages, mostly caused by the changes in the economy , which were caused by the actions of older generations than millennials (Gen X probably), similarly the reduction in life expectancy is mainly being caused by reductions in living standards, social care and general healthy living, 2 of which are the product of political and economic decisions, which weren''t made by millennials. I''m not saying that they aren''t faultless, but, a lot of what you are lambasting them for is the product of circumstances and their upbringing. I know just as many older (and younger) generations who are happy to doss about taking money off the government either through not working or claiming benefits they shouldn''t have or need.[/quote] Fair response. But don''t just blame parents. The media, politics and the education system has a great deal of responsibility. The ridiculous Blairite idea that half of young people need to go to universities was hard to resist but what did it achieve? Reduced value degrees, debt (like another income tax) a lack of in work experience and a sense of entitlement plus a shortage of skilled labour (filled from abroad). And what ideologies were and still are promulgated in those ''universities?'' They are grooming factories and a good reason the voting age should be raised not lowered. There is a sinister intent in lowering the voting age. The youth have been manipulated before in fascist and communist regimes. There is no intention to roundly educate just indoctrinate the maleable young. Youth used to rebel. Youth culture used to challenge. Now they are just very nice but sheep like and this comes from someone who loves children and young people as most grandparents do. We did not vote for ourselves, we are not the future, we know that. We despair at only 40% of young people owning their own home, having student debt, struggling to afford a family of their own, not being given ''in work'' training and qualification as our generation had, the tragic environmental problems, the list goes on. These are our children and grandchildren - who do you think we voted for? In my case the Referendum cost me financially but that balances out when I hear about major employers increasing apprenticeships to fill skill shortages. To bring this back to football. When we were in the EPL we brought in ready made from overseas. Now we have to create from our own youngsters and I''d rather be a Championship club doing that than a Premier League side ignoring them.
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[quote user="BroadstairsR"]" ... the biggest pro-European movement this county has ever seen." Yet peanuts compared with the 17+ million who wanted out and quite a poor turnout from all those who voted remain it would seem. Even the march against the significantly less important anti-fox hunting bill (which still went through the Commons comfortably incidentally) attracted some half a million. These gatherings always appear far more populated in photographs taken from the air of these narrow London streets. It would have needed many millions more to resonate in meaningful places. Where were all those energetic youngsters who were supposed to have voted en-mass for continuation, as their futures would be put in dire peril by withdrawal? They would have the movement and time presumably. They number many millions apparently. Instead we had a collection of odd-balls with silly banners and their children in tow. I always have a benign view of these protesters who turn out on such occasions with their kids, all suitably bedecked with flags and in colourful, outfits the significance of which they are clueless about. One banner carrying lady particularly amused me. Holding aloft her carefully crafted masterpiece, full of little stars, proclaiming that she "loved EU" I was left wondering if she actually had a clue about what went on in Brussels and Strasbourg. The waste, the corruption, the irrelevance, the extreme federalist undercurrents and the impact of all this upon her annual tax bill. Then, what about the mottled collection of orators assembled for the occasion. Led by that grizzled political chameleon Vince Cable -- Quote: "It would be disrespectful to voters and politically counter productive to call for a second referendum of the EU." c. 2016 Quote: "There is no great argument of liberal principle for free Eu movement; the economics is debateable, and the politics is conclusively hostile." Make up your mind Sir Vince. Then to Delia Smith. Of course our Dels had aright to attend, but who in their right mind considered that she had credence enough to speak? Who assumed that this lady, this TV chef, this NCFC legend should have any importance when placed upon a political pedestal lecturing those in the know? That''s surely taking the cult of celebrity a bit far. Scraping the bottom of the barrel, or what? I do love Anna Subrey (?) though ... not! Loser''s march? Too true. Last throw of the dice? Inevitable. If they lose the re-run they now desire will they want another until they get their self-opinionated way? Importantly they seem to be blind to the fact that should we eventually get their remain vote then the EU elite will have the UK by the short and whats it''s. The federalist gravy train would be full steam ahead, UK contributions would soar as our influence waned and we''d probably have the Euro forced upon us. In their greedy eyes our bolt would be shot. Think on.[/quote] Great post!
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[quote user="nutty nigel"]You do realise we weren''t superior just because we happened to be born in a different generation don''t you Rudolph? If you look.at our parents generations, and our grandparents generations they had very different challenges too. Some of them despaired of us.[/quote] Perhaps they just despaired of you, Nigel!
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Neil Adams gave young players a chance. I thought Hucks was referring to Alex Neil - who certainly didn''t (James Maddison in particular). From what I have seen of Cantwell his pass and move and playing on the move set him apart. He could be exceptional.
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[quote user="nutty nigel"]There''s a lot of truth in that Rudolph but those truths make their lot even harder. On balance I feel we we''re lucky to be born when we were. At least there weren''t so many different truths to confuse us.[/quote] We had the best music, the best football, the best quality of life in a basic but happy way too. But we had high unemployment, the Cold War, Industrial action, high inflation and interest rates. I come from a poor background. The poor were thick but hard working, now a large percentage are thick and lazy and crippled by various addictions from mobile phones to drugs. Lack of proper work has created significant mental illness. Their traditional work has gone through globalisation and the EU.
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I know plenty of the older generation who voted ''Remain.'' The young are highly maleable and easily influenced with their limited experience. Look how Corbyn manipulated them last election by hinting (but convincing them all the same) that Labour would wipe out their student debt. The Millenials have to be the laziest, most entitled and dumbest generation since WW1. They can''t save, can''t sacrifice, can''t think for themselves. They earned less in their 20''s pro rata than any generation before and are even reversing life expectancy. They want everything given from student loans for crap degrees to PPI. Few have languages let alone qualifications to go work 8n the EU but guess what? English is common currency as a language and EU Millenials are typically harder working, better qualified and have a better attitude. They come here and buy houses thus reducing availability and putting up the price. Millenials should be begging to leave the EU but they are seduced by cheaper phone tariffs on holiday. And befor you think I have it in for the young the generations following the Millenials are much more sensible and aspirational. One last thing. Millenials are currently being groomed to hate or resent the older generation. It is a political ploy. It makes it easier to hit pensions or as the government cqlls them, benefits. Millenials have no idea how hard older folk worked in their lives to have what they resent. They are the puppet generation and the Liberal elite or the hard left are pulling their strings.
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