hoolahan a luxury we can ill afford right now

[pennywise 0]

time and again in the 1st half drury was left on his own down the left whilst wesley was god knows where..i was urging gunny to get carney on..don`t get me wrong wes would be a super little player if it was the 1970s when mavericks seemed to thrive.. but  we need to keep some sort of shape in our predicament.the only place i can see him fitting in is central alongside clingan but i doubt he`s got the discipline for it, he`s got to be sacrificed for the greater good  [:D]

[First Wizard 0]

Totally agree pennywise..........Hucks replacement?..pah!

[king canary 8,944]

Yet we shouldnt drop a striker with one goal all season?

[twinkle toes silvester 0]

Drop them both..Simple as that...

[can u sit down please 0]

So could we afford Huckerby at the moment? He left every full back exposed. Hooly is the one of a couple of players who look as though they may make things happen.

A holding midfielder should be able to sweep the midfield and plug the gap.

[Camuldonum 0]

You could put him on the FL available for loan list on Tuesday and get shot of him.  There''ll be lots of takers I fancy................[;)]

I suspect he may have come to the wrong club.  As I want him in the Republic team I''d be quite pleased if you ship him out.

[GJP 79]

Think there were bigger problems in our team today than Hoolahan. He pulled his weight a lot more than some.

[pennywise 0]

he worked hard but it a lot of it was misguided, i assume he was supposed to be on the left in the 1st half ? i don`t know for sure where he was supposed to be playing  do you ?  there were times in the 1st half when we had no one down the left at all , which led to the 1st goal [:@]

[GJP 79]

Have to assume he was allowed to roam.

I''d have probably stuck Carney wide left and played Hoolahan off Cort. Had a look at that.

But Gunn wanted to make a point of sticking with Cureton.

[Huddy 0]

The player Hoolahan is, he is always likely to give the ball away, it comes with the trrritory. But, Hoolahans good involvements this season, far outweigh the bad; without him we wouldnt have picked up alot of the points we have got.. and the huckerby comparison is stupid anyway, Hucks was  a one off, an incomparable...give the guy a break!

[gazzathegreat 0]

Agreed Huddy, what do people want, he''s in a creative position, some things come off, others don''t. He was making plenty of incisive passes yesterday.

[canary cherub 1]

[quote user="Camuldonum"]

You could put him on the FL available for loan list on Tuesday and get shot of him.  There''ll be lots of takers I fancy................[;)]

I suspect he may have come to the wrong club.  As I want him in the Republic team I''d be quite pleased if you ship him out.

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Hoolahan had a release clause at Blackpool so they couldn''t refuse to sell him if a club came up with the asking price.  But could he have refused to sign?  If more than one club met the valuation, did he have a choice or was it first come first served?  If not, are release clauses really of any benefit?

 

[ZLF 342]

Were people watching the same game as me?

There were only 2 midfielders on the pitch who could be bothered today and theywere croft and hoolahoop.  Wes'' efforts were misguided?  what sort of comment is that?  He tried to create an opening more than any other player but like croft also covered an enormous amount of ground defending and both put in sigtnificantly more effort and tackles that our shockingmidfield duo in the first half.

Our only real efforts on goal came from wes in teh second half.

There remains plenty of mis placed passes but that puts in sharp contrast the bizarre fans view of him and croft;  crofts effort was excellent yesterday but his crossing and passing was yet again woeful,  hoolahans effort yest was no more no less excellent but his quality was just that little bit better -  not wonderful,  but better - yet Wes gets criticism while croft gets MOTM!!! 

Fans - they amaze me...  

[Pyro Pete 2,395]

Hoolahan was appalling in the first half yesterday. Constantly abandoning his position, leaving the team lopsided. Forcing others to do his defensive work.After the first goal Doc could be seen arguing with Clingan, asking him why he wasn''t picking up the scorer on the edge of the box. Why? Clingan visibly pointed out he was forced to cover the left flank vacated by Hoolahan!The difference between Croft and Hoolahan is that Croft fulfills his defensive duties on the right flank, and only ever breaks position when we have possession. While Hoolahan does his own thing all the time, and the team be damned. He can be an asset going forward. But in defence he is a liabiliity. The lad needs some discipline.

[pennywise 0]

[quote user="Pyro Pete"]Hoolahan was appalling in the first half yesterday. Constantly abandoning his position, leaving the team lopsided. Forcing others to do his defensive work.

After the first goal Doc could be seen arguing with Clingan, asking him why he wasn''t picking up the scorer on the edge of the box. Why? Clingan visibly pointed out he was forced to cover the left flank vacated by Hoolahan!

The difference between Croft and Hoolahan is that Croft fulfills his defensive duties on the right flank, and only ever breaks position when we have possession. While Hoolahan does his own thing all the time, and the team be damned. He can be an asset going forward. But in defence he is a liabiliity. The lad needs some discipline.[/quote]

exactly pyro  we can`t afford to have someone fannying about all over the place  leaving vast expanses of the pitch to the opposition to do what they will..after we equalised yesterday the bench called hoolahan over and had a long chat with him whilst we were celebrating, i bet it was to tell him exactly that [:D]

[Don,tPanic 0]

quote user="Huddy "The player Hoolahan is, he is always likely to give the ball away, it comes with the trrritory. But, Hoolahans good involvements this season, far outweigh the bad; without him we wouldnt have picked up alot of the points we have got.. and the huckerby comparison is stupid anyway, Hucks was  a one off, an incomparable...give the guy a break!

Are you serious!!!!!!!!!!!!! the guy is a muppet get rid of him....pathetic

[Don,tPanic 0]

quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"

Were people watching the same game as me?

There were only 2 midfielders on the pitch who could be bothered today and theywere croft and hoolahoop.  Wes'' efforts were misguided?  what sort of comment is that?  He tried to create an opening more than any other player but like croft also covered an enormous amount of ground defending and both put in sigtnificantly more effort and tackles that our shockingmidfield duo in the first half.

Our only real efforts on goal came from wes in teh second half.

There remains plenty of mis placed passes but that puts in sharp contrast the bizarre fans view of him and croft;  crofts effort was excellent yesterday but his crossing and passing was yet again woeful,  hoolahans effort yest was no more no less excellent but his quality was just that little bit better -  not wonderful,  but better - yet Wes gets criticism while croft gets MOTM!!! 

Fans - they amaze me...  

Yep fans like you.....Hoolahan is one of the biggest wastes of space we have ever signed and i,ve been going to Carrow road since 1972

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,886]

I can''t recall such a one sided player for years in our team. Wes CANNOT play off his right side. He would rather use the outside of his left foot and play the ball into the defender than play a percentage right footed pass. He shapes his body as the ball comes to him to play off his left and often loses possession as a result. In the second half when he was on the right, it cancelled out a whole quater of the pitch becuse Wes was ineffective down the right flank, and had to cut inside. The Bristol left back thought it was Christmas come early.  When there is a lot a space (ie we had one striker and space to play in) you cannot take your options away like we did yesterday. I thought we were very naive yesterday tactically.

And as for Cureton.....

[grantroederdisaster 0]

Agree!

 

Hoolahans a circus act, a guy who looks brilliant on his day but that isn''t to often. He puts the team out of shape most of the time and his givign the ball away puts other players under pressure!

[Huddy 0]

...i suppose all of you hoolahan critics who think he''s two one footed, think Croft is amazing, when yes he has done ok, but he is as one footed as anyone; and his crossing 9 times out of 10 is useless!

Hoolahan''s a good player, and if people can''t see that, well im speechless!

[LDC 0]

In my humble opinion Hoolahan was pretty poor in the first half but much better in the 2nd, he was the one player (along with Croft) who worked hard and really tried, he was our one creative player and every team needs one. I would stick with him, after all yesterdays game should have been 2-2!!!! (the penalty we never got given).

I think it will go to the wire, but i still dont think Norwich will go down!!

[Bury Yellow 2]

Must agree that Hoolahan is a luxury we cannot afford in the position we are in and the way we play him! We simply cannot have him on the left if he is going to expose Drury. Someone argues that Hucks did a similar thing. Yes to a point he did, but he was twice the player Hooiahan is and though not a great defender, did drop back more and was much more aware of his position on the pitch.

Playing him, say, just behind a striker and allowing him full mobility may be his best position which after all was how Blackpool mainly played him.

He can also be an effective sub. More worrying to me is the time limit Gunn has to give his players chances to make amends for these woeful individual mistakes then making the decision to drop them however big a name they are.

This will be the measure of Gunny and if he truly is going to make a good manager

[one 4 the future 0]

Gunny should take JC out bring Carney in put Hoola Just behind Cort and play 4-5-1                            Cort

                                                                                                                                  Carney   Rusty    Wes    Clingers  Cofty

[walks on water 0]

[quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"]

Were people watching the same game as me?

There were only 2 midfielders on the pitch who could be bothered today and theywere croft and hoolahoop.  Wes'' efforts were misguided?  what sort of comment is that?  He tried to create an opening more than any other player but like croft also covered an enormous amount of ground defending and both put in sigtnificantly more effort and tackles that our shockingmidfield duo in the first half.

Our only real efforts on goal came from wes in teh second half.

There remains plenty of mis placed passes but that puts in sharp contrast the bizarre fans view of him and croft;  crofts effort was excellent yesterday but his crossing and passing was yet again woeful,  hoolahans effort yest was no more no less excellent but his quality was just that little bit better -  not wonderful,  but better - yet Wes gets criticism while croft gets MOTM!!! 

Fans - they amaze me...  

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Well I was watching the same game as you Zipper ...we know what Hoolahan is... and isn''t about. To accommodate his invention (which I think we''d be foolish not to) you need to play him behind the strikers, or play a system that covers his space when he wanders -this involves particular awareness on the part of our other midfeilders/strikers.

Hoolahan makes things happen, commits players and links play well. Obviously yesterday wasn''t his finest shift in the yellow & green, but you could say that about everyone except Cort. He certainly showed more desire than most yesterday and it could/would have been a different game if most of the Norwich players hadn''t stood off Bristol and let them play.

I too Zipper wonder what on earth other fans are seeing.