BRAVEHEART 0 Posted December 27, 2008 FROM THE EDPGlennRoeder has promised a better future for Norwich City’s long sufferingsupporters. As one of the worstyears in recent memory approaches its finale, the City boss insists that theCanaries will pull away from the relegation zone, which has become a magnet formost of 2008. “Wefeel very confident that we will, over the course of the second half of theseason, pull ourselves away from that,” said Roeder after yesterday’s 3-1defeat at Crystal Palace. “It would be nice to have got a point or three todaywhich would have been fully deserved. It is frustrating, not just for me, foreveryone involved at Norwich – it’s frustrating for the players, it’sfrustrating for our supporters, because we know we are good enough to have morethan just back-to-back wins, to go on a run of wins. There is no doubt about it.There isn’t any team in this division we fear, as we proved when we beat Wolves5-2 – but we have not had enough of those.”___________________________________________________________________________________________THE FUTURE AND EXPECTATIONS FOR NORWICH CITYWhat will the future be like for Norwich City this season? Norwich not consistent enough - I still stand by what I said at the start of theseason, I believe a realistic expectation for Norwich City is to finishmid-table but if they are going to they have to start winning games away fromhome or go on a run of 4/5 games unbeaten. Yes Norwich have suffered, it is painful for us but we have to keep beingpatient with Glenn Roeder. Remember when Glenn Roeder first came in as Norwich City manager. ___________________________________________________________________________________________"I was appointed to make sure we stay in the championship, in a hopeless, hopeless position, with 8 points in Novemeber. So I achieved that with asquad that I wasn’t happy with and I had to hit the loan market, and the loanmarket with the players that I was happy here kept us in the championship. Hugeturn around, massive turn around in the summer – both at backroom staff level,a a plan that had to be done. I had to take an assault into what I inherited, Ididn’t want it to be like that because we have such a big upheaval it is veryhard to expect everyone to gel you know straight away but it had to be donethere was no one stage to as far as the playing staff were concerned. You knowthey weren’t good enough and now we have to go on a recruitment drive to bringin players knowing what the financial world is in football at the moment, youknow and we lost a major investor in the Turners you know that and that justmade the job even tougher. So again Iknew we wouldn’t be able to replace 17 players back on with 17 new contractedplayers that would have to be basically stage 1, 2, 3. Stage 1 is probably 7 or8 of our own players, or 7 or 8 loan players and that is what I have done untilsuch times we can have our own players which is what our supporters would wantI understand that. Every manager would like to have contracted players, allcontracted players. The fact of the matter is the loan players that we have gothere we couldn’t afford to buy anyway. We are very grateful that there are PremierLeague clubs that loaned them to us have done so. We have some very talentedloan players here, and let’s be absolutely clear about this once and for all theloan players at this club give everything for the shirt. Whoever sits theresaying “loan players don’t give their best is wearing a pair of glasses thathave been blown out by black paint. They are not seeing anything out of thoseglasses.”_______________________________________________________________________________________________________I think what really didn''t help Glenn Roeder was when the Turners decidely to leave, they were very unloyal/unfaithful. So as a result Roeder has no money to spend to bring in permanent signings, which is why he has to bring in so many players in on loan. Until Norwich get an investor in Roeder won''t have money to play with.Roeder was not happy with the squad he inherited - i.e. the group of players he had. "Not good enough," said RoederPLAYERS INCM - Pattison – good playerCM - Clingan – good player LM - Bell – good playerAM - Hoolahan – good player CF Cort – too early to sayRB, CB - Omozusi – goodplayerCB - Stefanovic – goodplayer GK Rudd – don’t know untilI see him play CB - Taylor (on loan) goodplayerLB - Bertrand (on loan) –good player CF - Evans (on loan) – goodplayerCF - Lita (on loan) CF - Sibierski (on loan) –good playerCF - Koroma (on loan) –crapCF - Lupoli (on loan) –above average CB - Kennedy (on loan) –good playerCB - Pearce (on loan) -above averageLB - Gibbs (on loan) –above averageValesco (on loan) – aboveaverageRB - Bates (on loan) – goodplayerRB - Henry (on loan) – goodplayer PLAYERS OUTHuckerby – should have beensoldLewis – shouldn’t have beensoldDublin - retiredShackell - shouldn’t havebeen soldBrellier – he was crap hadto goStirhavka – he was crap hadto goBrown – he was crap had togoMurray – he was crap had togoHartson– would have been good if he kept fitederBELL COULD HAVE PLAYED ON THE RIGHT FOR CITY AGAINST PALACEOne criticism of Roeder is why didn’t he playDavid Bell on the right hand side? you would think it would be the idealopportunity with Croft out injured, but instead he opted to play Pattison inthat position. But then come to think of it who would you play on left handside instead? Pattison maybe.Results need to improve but at least Norwich are performing, that is better than Norwich losing and playing badly. Sooner or later results will get better, and I think we will beat Nottingham Forest tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Chops 7 Posted December 27, 2008 CF - Sibierski (on loan) –good playerValesco (on loan) – aboveaverageRB - Henry (on loan) – goodplayerDubious ratings, to say the least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Match Day Pie 0 Posted December 27, 2008 Interesting post. The funny thing is, GR pointed out just how dire our situation was before anyone else did. And yet he''s still getting slagged off by the warriors on here for the situation we''re in.He doesn''t get things right all the time but can anyone really expect any other manager to come in and do better under the circumstances - which are out of the manager''s control?It''s not like we''re playing like we did under Grant - no passion etc - the team look like they''re enjoying their football most of the time (and they do play some nice stuff), they''re just shocking in defence.All this nonsense about protesting will get us nowhere unless someone has a cast-iron solution. And we have yet to hear one. If people want Delia out, they should offer up someone else. But in the meantime, let Roeder get on with what is a tricky job, and maybe a knight in shining armour will see what potential we have and help us out. That might sound fanciful, but it''s no less fanciful than thinking getting on the manager''s back will make everything alright. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
missing in action? 0 Posted December 27, 2008 [quote user="Mister Chops"]CF - Sibierski (on loan) –good playerValesco (on loan) – aboveaverageRB - Henry (on loan) – goodplayerDubious ratings, to say the least.[/quote]velasco was a good player, he knew he wasnt getting another contract though...sibs is a good player, but only in prem where he has more time and space, because here you dont have time on the ball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arthur Whittle 0 Posted December 27, 2008 [quote user="Mister Chops"]CF - Sibierski (on loan) – good playerValesco (on loan) – above averageRB - Henry (on loan) – good playerDubious ratings, to say the least.[/quote]Dubious? Thats being very kind chops my friend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gissing canary 2 Posted December 27, 2008 [quote user="Mister Chops"]CF - Sibierski (on loan) – good playerValesco (on loan) – above averageRB - Henry (on loan) – good playerDubious ratings, to say the least.[/quote]I agree with you about these being dubios, but agree with original post. The lack of money, we have made a profit in both transfer windows! With players constantly leaving and more money needing to be found, I agree GR needs to be given time, as long as we dont slip into relegation, I dont mind, he has to be given the opportunity to build slowly. We need to move away from this IN/OUT process the whole time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Flashheart 0 Posted December 27, 2008 That''s far too level headed for this place, MDP. I salute your efforts though.Badger said elswhere on here that he knows some billionaires. I''ll be interested to see who. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricky knight 0 Posted December 27, 2008 so if we go down, will he still have done a good job, check his win section, its pathetic and i am sick of this backing for a numpty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Flashheart 0 Posted December 27, 2008 [quote user="ricky knight"]so if we go down, will he still have done a good job[/quote]Ofcourse not but then we haven''t gone down. Cue the "WE NEED TO SACK HIM BEFORE WE DO!!" response. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Syteanric 1 Posted December 27, 2008 [quote user="Lord Flashheart"]That''s far too level headed for this place, MDP. I salute your efforts though.Badger said elswhere on here that he knows some billionaires. I''ll be interested to see who.[/quote]so why has badger sat on his arse for so long whilst the club has declined when he knows people who could "help"?jas :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Flashheart 0 Posted December 27, 2008 Ask Badger, Jas. I was thinking the same thing as you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Chops 7 Posted December 27, 2008 I accept half your argument, but there are two things in play here.1. Has Roeder done well to assemble a squad under huge financial constraints? - Yes.2. Are Roeder''s tactical decisions evidence of doing a "good job"? - No.Evidence? Deploying and persisting with Sibs as a target man.Dropping Otsemobor for Omosuzi who looks twice the player at centre back than at right back.Persisting with Fozzy as captain but changing on a game on, game off basis.Russell as target man.Tinkering with the back 4 so Doc, who''s been solid all season, is dropped for Kennedy.Troy Archibald-Henville III Jr. Everything about it.In other words, yes, half the job is good but the important on the field stuff doesn''t seem to be right - and that''s as important as assembling a batch of loan players.To use a Delia analogy, he''s blagged some decent ingredients, but he''s not making much of a finished product. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Boubepo 0 Posted December 27, 2008 It''s ironic that he stated the players he inherited were the worst players he''s ever inherited and weren''t good enough, yet it was with those same players he actually put his only string of results together!As for the old excuse he hasn''t had any money to bring in players - he has brought in 21 players, that''s an entire squad!I honestly think GR is a poor manager and we wouldn''t be doing any better if he was given twice the amount he''s already spent Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,216 Posted December 27, 2008 All very well Braveheart but there is still no sign of the GR assembled squad going on an unbeaten run in the same manner as the "worst squad ever" did. I accept we are playing better football but unfortunately that still is not translating into any sort of consistency, and we have yet to eradicate the old failings of not being able to defend set pieces. Not sure about your assessment of some of the GR signings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,553 Posted December 27, 2008 It''s a results based business.....and whether we''re playing cute football or not.....we''re not getting the results.Table, don''t lie..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badger 0 Posted December 27, 2008 [quote user="jas the barclay king"][quote user="Lord Flashheart"]That''s far too level headed for this place, MDP. I salute your efforts though.Badger said elswhere on here that he knows some billionaires. I''ll be interested to see who.[/quote]so why has badger sat on his arse for so long whilst the club has declined when he knows people who could "help"?jas :)[/quote]Not some - lots - all looking for a club where the fans protest more!The link is below - the irony was a bit too subtle for Barclay Boy!http://new.pinkun.com/cs/forums/4/1509459/ShowPost.aspx#1509459"oh a protest that should do the trick. Iknow lots of billionaires who are looking to invest money in footballclubs but they can''t find a group of fans that complain enough. If wehave a jolly good protest everything will be sorted - why don''t theyall see how simple it is!"Nothing like a good protext to attract a billionaire investor eh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheCardinal 0 Posted December 27, 2008 [quote user="Mello Yello"]It''s a results based business.....and whether we''re playing cute football or not.....we''re not getting the results.Table, don''t lie.....[/quote]Unfortunately completely right. Whether we like to admit it or not, we wanted to see progress. We''re not seeing that. Yes, of course, the football is better - but we''re not scoring goals and we''re conceeding silly goals. That''s not progress.Sadly I think we need a manager who can get the best out of what we''ve got. That''s not Roeder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Chops 7 Posted December 28, 2008 [quote user="Mister Chops"]I accept half your argument, but there are two things in play here.1. Has Roeder done well to assemble a squad under huge financial constraints? - Yes.2. Are Roeder''s tactical decisions evidence of doing a "good job"? - No.Evidence? Deploying and persisting with Sibs as a target man.Dropping Otsemobor for Omosuzi who looks twice the player at centre back than at right back.Persisting with Fozzy as captain but changing on a game on, game off basis.Russell as target man.Tinkering with the back 4 so Doc, who''s been solid all season, is dropped for Kennedy.Troy Archibald-Henville III Jr. Everything about it.In other words, yes, half the job is good but the important on the field stuff doesn''t seem to be right - and that''s as important as assembling a batch of loan players.To use a Delia analogy, he''s blagged some decent ingredients, but he''s not making much of a finished product.[/quote]No reply, Braveheart? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cuckoo in the nest 0 Posted December 28, 2008 Is Roeder doing a decent job sans dosh ? No. He is spending more money on football and backroom staff wages and salaries than 14 other teams in this league . Yet he is doing worse than almost all of them . Why is that ? Is he simply not good enough ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve b 0 Posted December 28, 2008 So Roeder has promised us a better future, fantastic a promise from a liar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Fish Seller 0 Posted December 28, 2008 [quote user="cuckoo in the nest"]Is Roeder doing a decent job sans dosh ? No. He is spending more money on football and backroom staff wages and salaries than 14 other teams in this league . Yet he is doing worse than almost all of them . Why is that ? Is he simply not good enough ?[/quote]Could you provide your source for this ''FACT'' please? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZLF 334 Posted December 28, 2008 Not find the link but I am sure it was widely reported that we have the 8th largest player wage bill in the league - which is 16 teams with smaller budgets.Either way its clear that this squad, incl the manager, are completely under-performing, and performing only when they can be ar$ed. If ROeder cant change that now he has HIS players/squad he is no manager at all. 80% of a managers job is player motivation, and its clear he is not up to that job as the only consistent thing about this team is we never know whether more than 3 players are going to turn up or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Fish Seller 0 Posted December 28, 2008 Fair enough I just have this bee in my bonnet that certain Public figures at our Club are obfuscating the financial situation by deliberately interchanging the figures for ''overall club wage bill (inc approx 150 non playing staff)'' with ''playing budget'' and ''player wage bill''. If we have a player wage bill of £8.5m then we are in deeper trouble than I first thought since the non-playing staff wage bill comes to an amount in excess of £5m alone besides all our other liabilities. The sums just don''t add up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lets go fucking mental 0 Posted December 28, 2008 sibierski good player, lupoli above average???????????????????? dont know what game u been watching Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Binky 0 Posted December 28, 2008 [quote user="Mister Chops"]I accept half your argument, but there are two things in play here.1. Has Roeder done well to assemble a squad under huge financial constraints? - Yes.2. Are Roeder''s tactical decisions evidence of doing a "good job"? - No.Evidence? Deploying and persisting with Sibs as a target man.Dropping Otsemobor for Omosuzi who looks twice the player at centre back than at right back.Persisting with Fozzy as captain but changing on a game on, game off basis.Russell as target man.Tinkering with the back 4 so Doc, who''s been solid all season, is dropped for Kennedy.Troy Archibald-Henville III Jr. Everything about it.In other words, yes, half the job is good but the important on the field stuff doesn''t seem to be right - and that''s as important as assembling a batch of loan players.To use a Delia analogy, he''s blagged some decent ingredients, but he''s not making much of a finished product.[/quote]Agree 100% Mr C - and I had this urge to remove the Let''s Go.. avatar from my screen....(I watched Velasco on his debut at Watrford - he got praised on this board by some but I thought he was terrible. Played right in front of me in the first half and got beaten everytime. Then came that thankfully brief appearance in the home match...I do hope Cort is not of the same ilk) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Carrow 394 Posted December 28, 2008 [quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"]Not find the link but I am sure it was widely reported that we have the 8th largest player wage bill in the league - which is 16 teams with smaller budgets.Either way its clear that this squad, incl the manager, are completely under-performing, and performing only when they can be ar$ed. If ROeder cant change that now he has HIS players/squad he is no manager at all. 80% of a managers job is player motivation, and its clear he is not up to that job as the only consistent thing about this team is we never know whether more than 3 players are going to turn up or not.[/quote]"Widely reported" hey? Well i scan this board every day and i never saw it. Also, no-one knows what their player wage bill will be as reported in the accounts next year because they are only half-way through paying it- and all manner of things can change by the end of the financial year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
max 0 Posted December 28, 2008 [quote user="Mello Yello"]It''s a results based business.....and whether we''re playing cute football or not.....we''re not getting the results.Table, don''t lie.....[/quote] We was rock bottom when he took over, we''re not any more... Slight improvement... :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wizard 0 Posted December 28, 2008 [quote user="max"][quote user="Mello Yello"] It''s a results based business.....and whether we''re playing cute football or not.....we''re not getting the results.Table, don''t lie.....[/quote] We was rock bottom when he took over, we''re not any more... Slight improvement... :)[/quote]Err? we''re a point worse off than this stage last season..................some improvement![:|] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
max 0 Posted December 28, 2008 [quote user="1st Wizard"][quote user="max"][quote user="Mello Yello"] It''s a results based business.....and whether we''re playing cute football or not.....we''re not getting the results.Table, don''t lie.....[/quote] We was rock bottom when he took over, we''re not any more... Slight improvement... :)[/quote]Err? we''re a point worse off than this stage last season..................some improvement![:|][/quote] Hence the word "slight".... :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites