Roeder, what do you think of him?

[bigbear 0]

When Roeder 1st came to the club, I wasn''t too impressed.  He then turned my thoughts of him around.  Then in the run-in at the end of the season, I went back to being very unsure about him.  His initial team selection left a bit to be desired, then some strange tactics, bad substitutions,  it all went wrong, and we were very lucky not to be relegated.

In some games (usualy just half a match) we were brilliant, in others (or the other half of the match), we were absolutely dreadful, and worse than we were under Grant.  Is there a reason behind that, is anyone to blame??

With what has happened since the start of the closed season, I am very dissappointed with him at present.  Hopefully he will turn it around with some good signings, and it will make me think differently about him again.  I will give him the benefit of any doubt, but I have my suspicions.  I still can''t understand why he as been getting rid of the backroom staff, except for money reasons, maybe too many people on the wage bill.  If he repaces every single one of them with someone else, then you have to ask why, because surely, they would all have had some sort of pay-off or redundency package.

Norwich need a good start to the season, and the only way to do that is by getting players in, and he hasn''t started doing that yet.  Hopefully the next few weeks will be fruitful in terms of signings.

[Hog 0]

can''t say I think much of his only permanent signing to date either!

[manbearpig 0]

judging him what he has done so far im impressed the club needed a shake up and hes doing that i just hope he hasnt left himself a mountain to climb but we have to be patient,  he has a plan and if it comes off il have faith in him to take us on the bigger better things. the thing with managing is if you change a squad or make a sub and you win you get all the praise but if it doesnt you get slated yeah some of his decisions made me scratch my head but all managers make mistakes you just have to live with it. my main reason for sticking with him is who else are we going to get thats better, nobody can offer us much as glen his contacts in the game are everything to us without them we would be screwed.  

[William Darby 0]

IMO I see Roeder as a short term ''fixer upper'' type manager.  Excellent in a few short months but in the long term Mr Average.Obviously I hope he does well and prove me wrong

[Terry Fied 0]

Being serious something that is out of character for me when talking about a sport which is after all all we are discussing. Glen Roeder’s management record is to say the least patchy. This does make me wonder whether his motive is to manoeuvre the club into a situation where they cannot get rid of him because he is the only one who can understand what is going on.

 

In my opinion player loans should be short term to cover unforeseen emergencies or pending a decision whether to buy the said player permanently or not. Loan players merely to prop up and fill the gaps in the squad is a very, very short term strategy fraught with dangers.

 

Mr Roeder needs very careful watching.  

[Icecream Snow 762]

Next thread "What do you think about all the players we haven''t signed yet" [:P]

[Unlucky Fried Kitten 0]

To be fair, he fulfilled his initial task, which was to keep City in the Championship (just!). I''m still unsure whether he''ll be good enough in the long term - nobody can say at this moment in time. We''ll just have to wait and see what he does in this coming season. He may be good, he may be bad or he might just be indifferent. One thing''s for certain, after the sweeping changes both to the backroom staff and the playing staff, he can blame nobody but himself if things go a bit awry this year.

[2Cakes 0]

[quote user="Terry Fied"]

In my opinion player loans should be short term to cover unforeseen emergencies or pending a decision whether to buy the said player permanently or not. Loan players merely to prop up and fill the gaps in the squad is a very, very short term strategy fraught with dangers.

[/quote]I''m not so sure. The loan route seems to me a good way to get some  premiership-ish quality which isn''t available to be bought permanently. I think last seasons examples did pretty good on the whole.Roughly what do people think it would have cost to get the equivalent standard of players in permanently?Roeder seems to have the right sort of contacts to exploit this means of bolstering the team.Clearly I''d prefer 16 near premership quality permanent players, but perhaps this just isn''t realistic for us at the moment.

[The Voice of the Thorpe Area 0]

I seriously can''t understand the apathy towards Roeder.

He saved us from League 1, got us playing some decent football, and has attracted good players in so far, albeit on loan. I can''t see what more he could have done to date.

[2Cakes 0]

[quote user="The voice of the Thorpe Area"]

I seriously can''t understand the apathy towards Roeder.

He saved us from League 1, got us playing some decent football, and has attracted good players in so far, albeit on loan. I can''t see what more he could have done to date.

[/quote]Overall, I''m pleased so far with Roeder. And I''m optimistic for next season.He

did what required and kept us up. And for a while (albeit brief) it

looked like he might perform the miraculous and get us into the

playoffs.  However, the drastic reduction in the number of

staff, both playing and backroom, sows a seed of doubt in mind. It

really could go either way. This transfer window is now absolutely

critical. This is making me, and I guess lots of other fans, a little

impatient to see some progress. Until things start to move frustration and nerves are causing me to question my faith.

[ca 1]

Haven''t made up my mind yet although I''m pleased he saved us from relegation and not so pleased with some of the stuff he''s said and done.

[0ridgemanddMMyyyy0Falseen-USTrue 0]

If we dont hit the ground running I can see the fans turning against him especially with Huckerby sitting in the stands.

[bobfleck 0]

Frankly, I think he has performed a minor miracle to keep us up. Remember that horrific feeling in the pit of your stomach after watching the QPR game last season?

I can''t fault him or his decisions so far (tho perhaps that winger may have deserved another year...)

[chicken 0]

For what it is worth I think he is a victim of his own success.He got a decent run together with a limited squad and then people feel he should have kept it going. I would agree that some of his tactical decisions were a bit strange but then do we know enough to say that those decisions were not enforced by factors out of his controll. For example we now know that Hux was struggling with his hip on and off this season.I sometimes wonder that if that run had not been and we had had the same results but in a different order with a much shorter unbeaten streak, would people still be saying he under-achieved towards the end of the season?Its all about context. If you look at those 12 games as 12 games rather than 12 games in a so-many-game period you realise that for that period the team performed above its average consistancy.I will wait for my judgement of the man who has completed his first task until I have seen what signings have been made and how we look in pre-season and the first few games of the season.In all fairness you can''t really do anything until then because he may sign a whole load of players we don''t like the look of but if he can get someone in and get the best out of them I couldn''t care less who it was.For example Andy Cole - sure he is not the future and all that but you can not tell me that if he comes in and bangs in 15-20goals and we reach the play-offs or better you will still be complaining?

[Dr. Bunsen 0]

done a great job so far and deserves a lot more credit than what he is getting from the fans at the minute.

[DONT REMEMBER YOUR TENURE AS ENGLAND MANAGER 0]

The guy is a genius, how he saved our shower of shizzle from relegation, I will never know, Call it luck, skill or whatever, he did what he said on the tin. Now is his opportunity. He certainly has the potential to be our greatest ever manager. However in the outback lurks a dark and prudent board who use panini football stickers to purchase players, so he may not get a fair crack of the whip.

I feel Roeder has learned from his mistakes as in the past. Mistakes are a poweful source for us all to develop and grow. Added to this he has suffered extreme adversity and bad luck, again a vital ingredient in making us stronger, so hopefully a potion has been formulated and made Mr Roedor the individual to make us the English version of Villareal!!

[John Boubepo 0]

Ironically he seemed to do ok in the beginning when he played the bulk of Grants players, as soon as he started to put his own stamp on things, it all went horribly wrong, the more he tinkered the worse it got, selling Englands next keeper for peanuts without seeing him play was probably the worst managerial decision in living memory, the decision to show Hux the door was probably the second worst decision. His tactics/substitutions/team selection/man management/relationship with fans/general decision making are abysmal. Quite frankly I don''t think he has a Scooby Doo what he''s doing!Other than that I guess he''s ok

[Mello Yello 2,302]

Only time will tell......Depends on how much time he''s given.....

[Shack Attack 0]

[quote user="John Boubepo"]Ironically he seemed to do ok in the beginning when he played the bulk of Grants players, as soon as he started to put his own stamp on things, it all went horribly wrong, the more he tinkered the worse it got, selling Englands next keeper for peanuts without seeing him play was probably the worst managerial decision in living memory, the decision to show Hux the door was probably the second worst decision. His tactics/substitutions/team selection/man management/relationship with fans/general decision making are abysmal. Quite frankly I don''t think he has a Scooby Doo what he''s doing!

Other than that I guess he''s ok
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"Never argue with an idiot! They''ll just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"

The more I read that the more I think you''re on a wind up.

Englands next keeper indeed [:$]

[Evil Monkey 52]

I was dubious at first, but am cautiously optimistic for the coming season.  I think a lot of people have gotten carried away by our unbeaten run mid-season and expecting that we should be challenging at the top of the table, and should have reached the play-offs last term.  What they''ve obviously forgotten was our position when Roeder arrived, which has been stated and documented so many times its not even worth mentioning again.  Some people are just fickle with short memories, others will simply moan no matter what or who is in charge or where we are in the overall Football League; the rest of us are realists and know that the problems at this club are going to take a lot longer to overcome and it helps, in this situation, to have a strong leader who isn''t afraid to make drastic changes to get results.  That man, it seems, is Glenn Roeder.

[Desi Rascall 0]

Dropped the ball badly in january, when he failed to persue taylor rigourously enough.Let down badly by the attitude of some of his players but any manager would have struggled with the hand he was delt. He has got his work cut out this this summer simply because he has to make his budget stretch further than his rival managers. Rumours of backroom bustups and the like have served as a unwelcome distraction.

I think the sooner we get dome signings pn board the better,settle a few nerves.  

[Empty Mirror 0]

Roeder’s achievement in avoiding relegation was considerable.   

 

It’s easy to focus on the “thirteen match unbeaten run” and the “failure” to sustain it, but the fact is that we had a fair bit of good fortune during that run (e.g., Colchester away, Wolves at home – but don’t tell Camolodnum and We8wba!) and a fair bit of bad fortune after it (Stoke and West Brom at home, Bristol City away).  If the luck had evened out a bit the results would have been much more consistent, and there’s no denying that the team’s performances were consistently improved once Roeder came in.  Ok, so we lost at home to Stoke and WBA, and away at Bristol, but no one who was at any of these games would not say that we were hugely improved – unrecognisable even – from the shower that lost at home to Sheffield Wednesday or away at Wolves or QPR under Grant.  

 

So, on the pitch, lots of grounds for optimism.   Taking Roeder’s time as a whole, we didn’t look like a team that is about to run away with the Championship, but nor did we look like a team that would get relegated, and given what was served up before he came, that’s a real achievement.

 

Off the field, and particularly since the end of the season, I’m concerned that a pattern is starting to emerge:

 

1.                  Roeder sacked Huckerby.   I don’t want to go over into the debate about the footballing merits again, there’s more than one view, but it was poorly handled.  And yes, Huckerby has made all the right noises in the media, but if you believe that……

 

2.                  Three physios left.   Two were sacked by Roeder.    One, we are told, chose to leave and was not sacked but, again, if you believe that…..

 

3.                  There’s no shortage of rumours about Roeder falling out with others.  The Evening news carried a headline “Roeder at Odds with Gunn” the other day, just by way of an example.

 

All of which could be, either (1) a necessary “new broom” coming in, and sweeping away the dead wood, or (2) a manager who is falling out with everyone and destroying morale at the club.  We can’t know, though if it was (1) (a necessary new broom sweeping away the dead wood) we’d expect to see those who were not swept away by the new broom welcoming and being invigorated by the new regime, and, in Roeder’s words, “new heroes” joining the cause.  If it was (2) (manager falling out with everyone and destroying morale at the club) we’d expect to see reluctance among those left to commit to new contracts, and reluctance among those approached to join this (not very) happy band (since football is a small world, and word gets around quick). 

 

My concern is that, whilst it’s early days yet, the emerging pattern is more consistent with (2) (manager falling out with everyone and destroying morale at the club, reluctance among those left to commit to new contracts, and reluctance among those approached to join) than it is with (1):

 

1.                  Doc has been offered a new contract.  So, clearly, Roeder wants him.  Doc won’t sign.

 

2.                  No other club has come in for Doc.   Still he won’t sign.   He seems keener on going to the USA at what, for him, would be very young age, rather than signing.

 

3.                  Hooligan has apparently been here for a medical, and terms have been agreed.  It’s fairly plain that Roeder thought the acquisition was in the bag, hence his public comments, and we were in touch with him long before the Hucks sacking.   But, Hooligan won’t sign.

 

4.                  No new physios have arrived.  It’s inconceivable that the club sacked or allowed to leave three physios without having any replacements lined up.   But, no one has signed.  I understand that the physios are a particularly tightly knit community, and word about who is good to work for travels fast.

 

5.                  Even Fozzy, Roeder’s captain and the principal beneficiary of the new regime, would not sign the three year contract offered to him.  Eventually, he signed a one year contract only, which means he’ll be looking to be off it things don’t go well, which is no kind of commitment at all.

 

Yes, it’s early days.   I hope the next few days and weeks prove that there is no trend there.  And yes, each of these failures to get people to sign on the dotted line can, for now, and looked at in isolation, be explained away (Doc is fed up with the fans’ criticism, Hooligan’s agent is waiting for a better offer, Fozzy’s wife wants to go back to Scotland, and maybe – just maybe, though it takes some believing – we really did lose three physios without making any plans, or maybe the entire world is on holiday).   But taken together, it’s beginning to look like a worrying trend.   For the sake of our great club, I hope I’m wrong.

 

 

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="Salahuddin"]can''t say I think much of his only permanent signing to date either![/quote]

Spot on!

For sure he talks a good game, but thats all, if he fails to sign talented, rated players this summer, then he will have done far more long term damage than Grunt and Duffo ever did.

His constant tinkering damn near did get us relegated, well, he''s tinkering again, and that tells me one thing, and that is he''s.......................crap!.

[Unlucky Fried Kitten 0]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

[quote user="Salahuddin"]can''t say I think much of his only permanent signing to date either![/quote]

Spot on!

For sure he talks a good game, but thats all, if he fails to sign talented, rated players this summer, then he will have done far more long term damage than Grunt and Duffo ever did.

His constant tinkering damn near did get us relegated, well, he''s tinkering again, and that tells me one thing, and that is he''s.......................crap!.

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If he fails to sign talented, decent players this summer, then we are deep in the brown and smelly stuff.

[WeAreYellows49 0]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

[quote user="Salahuddin"]can''t say I think much of his only permanent signing to date either![/quote]

Spot on!

For sure he talks a good game, but thats all, if he fails to sign talented, rated players this summer, then he will have done far more long term damage than Grunt and Duffo ever did.

His constant tinkering damn near did get us relegated, well, he''s tinkering again, and that tells me one thing, and that is he''s.......................crap!.

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So Wiz are you saying that if we don''t sign players like Ronaldo (rated and talented), Stevie G (rated and talented), Crouchie (rated and talented), that GR is no better than Grant or Duffy?  I just don''t understand your logic.  GR is in a totally different league of football management to those two, if you cannot see that then there really is no hope.

We all know how much you don''t like GR, but he''s a manager and you aren''t which tells me he knows a little more about players and the game than you do, or you would be sitting where he is.  So why don''t you give the guy a chance to make realistic signings for a club that is at the moment nothing more than mediocre?  If at the end of this up-coming season the club is once again facing relegation, god forbid, then I will be the first to want him gone.

I think you know as well as I do, this club aint rolling in money, and big rated, talented players come with a big pricetag, hand on heart can you tell me you''d want to see this club on it''s knees for the sake of getting in ''''big named'''' players that might not do anything anyhow to improve the clubs chances of promotion.  I had you down as more realistic and reasonable than your posts of late have been.  Obviously I was terribly wrong.

[Robert N. LiM 4,467]

You judge a manager on his record.Since the international break after the The Plymouth Debacle TM (ie the last 30 games of the season), our record under Roeder was the seventh best in the league. This was achieved with a team which was adrift at the bottom after the first 16 games of the season.It really is that simple. If you think ''anyone could have kept us up,'' go and have a word with some Leicester fans...

[First Wizard 0]

[quote user="WeAreYellows49"][quote user="1st Wizard"]

[quote user="Salahuddin"]can''t say I think much of his only permanent signing to date either![/quote]

Spot on!

For sure he talks a good game, but thats all, if he fails to sign talented, rated players this summer, then he will have done far more long term damage than Grunt and Duffo ever did.

His constant tinkering damn near did get us relegated, well, he''s tinkering again, and that tells me one thing, and that is he''s.......................crap!.

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So Wiz are you saying that if we don''t sign players like Ronaldo (rated and talented), Stevie G (rated and talented), Crouchie (rated and talented), that GR is no better than Grant or Duffy?  I just don''t understand your logic.  GR is in a totally different league of football management to those two, if you cannot see that then there really is no hope.

 

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I had a lot of respect for your posts 49'' but to use the players you have used as examples is silly, purile and a bit naughty mate.

I had in mind your Eastwood/Taylor/Hulse/Hoolihan type signings.............and I think you knew that! You just wanted to quote unrealistic names to try and support your point............

So I''m standing firm on this............sorry mate.

[WeAreYellows49 0]

[quote user="1st Wizard"][quote user="WeAreYellows49"][quote user="1st Wizard"]

[quote user="Salahuddin"]can''t say I think much of his only permanent signing to date either![/quote]

Spot on!

For sure he talks a good game, but thats all, if he fails to sign talented, rated players this summer, then he will have done far more long term damage than Grunt and Duffo ever did.

His constant tinkering damn near did get us relegated, well, he''s tinkering again, and that tells me one thing, and that is he''s.......................crap!.

[/quote]

 

So Wiz are you saying that if we don''t sign players like Ronaldo (rated and talented), Stevie G (rated and talented), Crouchie (rated and talented), that GR is no better than Grant or Duffy?  I just don''t understand your logic.  GR is in a totally different league of football management to those two, if you cannot see that then there really is no hope.

 

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I had a lot of respect for your posts 49'' but to use the players you have used as examples is silly, purile and a bit naughty mate.

I had in mind your Eastwood/Taylor/Hulse/Hoolihan type signings.............and I think you knew that! You just wanted to quote unrealistic names to try and support your point............

So I''m standing firm on this............sorry mate.

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And Im sorry but those players are rated and talented, so tell us who you would like to see in your starting eleven Wiz.  I am sure most on here would be very interested.  We are all entitled to our views, and the above is how I have seen yours, if that''s wrong then dont argue like a child, debate like an adult and tell me why my thoughts about your post are wrong.  It''s not rocket science is it?

Personally I''m not worried if my posts are rated by you or anyone else.

I have quoted unrealistic players because that is how your posts have been lately, unrealistic.  You don''t rate GR, then who would you have come in to replace him?  All sensible questions from me Wiz.

 

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

Done a fantastic job so far!!

[can u sit down please 0]

[quote user="1st Wizard"]

[quote user="Salahuddin"]can''t say I think much of his only permanent signing to date either![/quote]

Spot on!

For sure he talks a good game, but thats all, if he fails to sign talented, rated players this summer, then he will have done far more long term damage than Grunt and Duffo ever did.

His constant tinkering damn near did get us relegated, well, he''s tinkering again, and that tells me one thing, and that is he''s.......................crap!.

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What about his impressive batch of loan players? Ignoring them? (Go on bring up Henry) A very shrewd dealer in the transfer market. Kept a shower of s**t squad up with hardly spending a penny.

The constant tinkering......was that not brought on by injuries and suspensions? Moan moan moan old man.