This is a good example of ”disconnect”

[Capt. Pants 4,236]

I can see both sides to this. Had the tickets been for 4 seats in the Lower Barclay for example, then yeah it would seem a bit risky. However, this is for seats in a corporate box, presumably the ones in the River End? Not sure what harm can be done in one.

Are Binner Ultras seriously going to spend £20 on raffle tickets in the forlorn hope they all win?

 

[......and Smith must score. 1,343]

9 hours ago, nutty nigel said:

I'm just glad you guys finally found reason to post. The board has been like a morgue all weekend.

You'll probably be bitter about the wicked club on your deathbed when perhaps it will dawn on you that you're not gonna get another go with a club that suits your needs...

 

53 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

You're really not normal, old boy.

I’d say it’s mission impossible to find anyone on here who’s normal ( whatever that is )

[Capt. Pants 4,236]

Just to add as a gesture I hope the club provides an alternative prize for the charity over the coming weeks and games.

[essex canary 496]

23 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

I can see both sides to this. Had the tickets been for 4 seats in the Lower Barclay for example, then yeah it would seem a bit risky. However, this is for seats in a corporate box, presumably the ones in the River End? Not sure what harm can be done in one.

Are Binner Ultras seriously going to spend £20 on raffle tickets in the forlorn hope they all win?

 

On the first paragraph, it seems to be a totally erroneous policy interpretation as 4 people sharing a corporate box of 10 people cant't reasonably be a security risk.

The Company said it was unaware of the T&C's and these are far from obvious on the Club Website in connection with corporate bookings.

On your second paragraph the Club may have a point in terms of general ticketing T&C's as tickets can't be sold at a profit which technically is happening here albeit with the charity dimension. If so why didn't NCFC use that explanation.

Where does this 5 year purchase history for the Ipswich Home Match come from? It certainly didn't apply to the away match. 

The Club's handling of this with a heavy handed email and lack of clear explanation is a superb example of the problems.  

[Capt. Pants 4,236]

3 minutes ago, essex canary said:

On the first paragraph, it seems to be a totally erroneous policy interpretation as 4 people sharing a corporate box of 10 people cant't reasonably be a security risk.

The Company said it was unaware of the T&C's and these are far from obvious on the Club Website in connection with corporate bookings.

On your second paragraph the Club may have a point in terms of general ticketing T&C's as tickets can't be sold at a profit which technically is happening here albeit with the charity dimension. If so why didn't NCFC use that explanation.

Where does this 5 year purchase history for the Ipswich Home Match come from? It certainly didn't apply to the away match. 

The Club's handling of this with a heavy handed email and lack of clear explanation is a superb example of the problems.  

If the club are going as far as 5 year purchase history for this fixture, I hate to think what would happen if we have to play them Wembley. Neither club has enough ST holders and members to prevent general sale. It will be carnage.

[A Load of Squit 5,167]

 

The explanation is quite clear, PSE Live agreed to the T&C's when they hired the box, if they didn't read them then that's their problem.

If they weren't sure they should've contacted the club to make sure what they were doing was OK.

 

[Badger 2,405]

11 hours ago, nutty nigel said:

It's also not a surprise to see the ones attacking our club yet again. But I guess it gave them a reason to post this weekend...

Trying to find any stick possible to beat them with...

[nutty nigel 7,537]

2 hours ago, canarydan23 said:

You're really not normal, old boy.

If normal is to go right up the pole about wanting Farke sacked and then back to the top again a couple of days later because the wicked club sacked him. Or if normal is to go right back up the pole because the wicked club won’t reschedule a game because something else you want to see on tv clashes. Then no, I’m not normal, and glad of it.

[shefcanary 2,409]

Where is the box in question?

I've experienced a situation where I have caused a mini-riot by cheering a Norwich goal (well actually two in quick succession) in a corporate box at an away match and the home fans have nearly tried to break the glass to get at me for doing so as well as attacking their own stewards. Quite a few of the protagonists were then escorted from the ground, which didn't placate the remaining lads, so I was asked to retreat to the rear of the box for the remainder of the game. Things can and do get out of hand.

If the box is in the River End chances of this happening are remote, maybe more chance in the Barclay. Am I right in thinking there are corporate facilities in the South Stand now, but the "box" ticket holders sit in the stand? If this is what is on offer then there is a real potential for trouble.

Having said all that, I'm sure a little common sense could have seen the club work with the promoters of the raffle to ensure such a situation did not develop. It does seem a rather strange and heavy handed response to a potential audience development project.

Like others I can see both points of view on this. The biggest issue seems to be a lack of direct conversation between the box holder / promoter and the club officials. A missed opportunity.

Edited February 6 by shefcanary

[Captain Holt 522]

This could so easily have been avoided by giving them an alternative prize. We really do have useless, tone-deaf management at all levels. It is no coincidence that a lot of staff have recently jumped ship to Ipswich. Football clubs are about so much more than footballers on a football pitch.

Edited February 6 by Captain Holt

[Jim Smith 2,319]

This is a Norfolk charity and a raffle organised in conjunction with one of the club sponsors. Read between the lines of the announcements put out about this. Both are clearly upset with the way the club has stopped this. They said the prize is only open to Norwich fans. I doubt Ipswich fans would even be aware of this raffle. There will also be other sc*mmers in the corporate seats, I have no doubt.

I trust Delia will not be inviting her pal Ed Sheeran to or allowing him to attend the game. 

 

[essex canary 496]

2 hours ago, Capt. Pants said:

If the club are going as far as 5 year purchase history for this fixture, I hate to think what would happen if we have to play them Wembley. Neither club has enough ST holders and members to prevent general sale. It will be carnage.

Indeed. A gulf between that and attending 5 away games in 1 year for rhe Portman Road experience.

[essex canary 496]

2 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

 

The explanation is quite clear, PSE Live agreed to the T&C's when they hired the box, if they didn't read them then that's their problem.

If they weren't sure they should've contacted the club to make sure what they were doing was OK.

 

Can you direct us to the relevant T&C"s?

[essex canary 496]

19 minutes ago, Jim Smith said:

 

I trust Delia will not be inviting her pal Ed Sheeran to or allowing him to attend the game. 

 

Just like Kings Lynn supporting MP James Wilde got an invite to a Carrow Road match with only 1,000 supporters in attendance.

[Google Bot 3,278]

2 hours ago, Capt. Pants said:

I can see both sides to this. Had the tickets been for 4 seats in the Lower Barclay for example, then yeah it would seem a bit risky. However, this is for seats in a corporate box, presumably the ones in the River End? Not sure what harm can be done in one.

I disagree as 4 supporters in the home end aren't going to cause much trouble beyond getting their faces kicked in if it kicked off.  They'd be pulled out by stewards in the opening minutes anyway.

However, people acting like **** in the dining and lounge areas where business and sponsors gather is a different matter.  That can reflect very bad on the club.  You can just be a rude **** in those areas and offend a lot of people without actually being kicked out, and after the match anything goes really.

[essex canary 496]

1 minute ago, Google Bot said:

I disagree as 4 supporters in the home end aren't going to cause much trouble beyond getting their faces kicked in if it kicked off.  They'd be pulled out by stewards in the opening minutes anyway.

However, people acting like **** in the dining and lounge areas where business and sponsors gather is a different matter.  That can reflect very bad on the club.  You can just be a rude **** in those areas and offend a lot of people without actually being kicked out, and after the match anything goes really.

Riff raff in corporate areas - perish the thought. Best ask @shefcanary

[hogesar 9,676]

12 hours ago, canarydan23 said:

Listen to yourselves. Just for once.

You've got nutty nigel having to make out that I, an overtly pro-Delia and MWJ fan, is some anti-club fundamentalist. You've got Branston Pickle making out that there is a genuine threat that a raffle promoted by a Norwich-based company for a Norfolk-based charity is going to be swamped by Ipswich fans that might win and therefore be in the hazardous position of watching the Derby from, *gasps* indoors in a private box?!

Just be honest with yourselves, the club could take up seal-clubbing for sport and you nutters would watch from the dunes screaming encouragement.

I mean, ignoring the ranting nature of your post...

The underlying point is none of this points to a "disconnect" as referenced by the general nature of replies to this thread.

I also think you're a bit naïve to think that a couple Ipswich fans in a box can't cause a problem. I don't know where the box is but in a high-risk game (as far as high-risk exists at Carrow Road) it doesn't surprise me that in areas where there are likely sponsors and club partners attending such a big game, they don't want the embarrassment that they stupidly allowed the possibility of Ipswich fan's getting into a home box.

The club could probably offer something else or simply donate to the charity which perhaps they will do, although if they mentioned they'd done that i'm sure there'd be alternate criticism that they were "fishing" for gratitude or something ridiculous.

[A Load of Squit 5,167]

9 minutes ago, essex canary said:

Can you direct us to the relevant T&C"s?

Hire a box for the season & then you'll see them.

[Commonsense 624]

As has been pointed out earlier the recent upturn in form has left the moaners with nothing to rant about so they have all jumped on this particular bandwagon. Imagine if this had been allowed and the presence of Ipswich fans in the box had caused an incident. The very same people would be criticising the club!! The point is that you cannot and should not break the rules of ticket sale even of ‘it is for charity’ without prior agreement!

[Mello Yello 2,295]

2 hours ago, Capt. Pants said:

Just to add as a gesture I hope the club provides an alternative prize for the charity over the coming weeks and games.

Maybe a prize of a dozen or so breast pumps in NCFC colours full of fresh bitty?....

[essex canary 496]

5 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

Hire a box for the season & then you'll see them.

They should be available for shareholders regardless.

[Google Bot 3,278]

7 minutes ago, essex canary said:

Riff raff in corporate areas - perish the thought.

They'd make a right mess of your conditional formatting.

[Mello Yello 2,295]

12 hours ago, canarydan23 said:

Listen to yourselves. Just for once.

You've got nutty nigel having to make out that I, an overtly pro-Delia and MWJ fan, is some anti-club fundamentalist. You've got Branston Pickle making out that there is a genuine threat that a raffle promoted by a Norwich-based company for a Norfolk-based charity is going to be swamped by Ipswich fans that might win and therefore be in the hazardous position of watching the Derby from, *gasps* indoors in a private box?!

Just be honest with yourselves, the club could take up seal-clubbing for sport and you nutters would watch from the dunes screaming encouragement.

Didn't David Essex have a clubbin' song in the seventies? An' I think the lyrics to the chorus went...."Me an' my girl seal clubbin'....me an' my girl out on the ice"....?

[Mello Yello 2,295]

3 hours ago, Capt. Pants said:

I can see both sides to this. Had the tickets been for 4 seats in the Lower Barclay for example, then yeah it would seem a bit risky. However, this is for seats in a corporate box, presumably the ones in the River End? Not sure what harm can be done in one.

Are Binner Ultras seriously going to spend £20 on raffle tickets in the forlorn hope they all win?

 

I think our Club's worried that the bin fan's may covertly gain access to the River End stand roof and then plant a young shrub in the roof guttering....FACT!....

[nutty nigel 7,537]

Just take some torches and a bed sheet to the game. That’ll larn the wicked busterds! If you wave the torches about enough the binners may even finally win to make all your pantwetting worthwhile..,

[Mello Yello 2,295]

3 hours ago, ......and Smith must score. said:

 

I’d say it’s mission impossible to find anyone on here who’s normal ( whatever that is )

Me...me...I'm normal...yeah I'm pretty normal...me....

[A Load of Squit 5,167]

33 minutes ago, essex canary said:

They should be available for shareholders regardless.

No they shouldn't. You're being an idiot.

[canarydan23 4,060]

56 minutes ago, hogesar said:

I mean, ignoring the ranting nature of your post...

The underlying point is none of this points to a "disconnect" as referenced by the general nature of replies to this thread.

I also think you're a bit naïve to think that a couple Ipswich fans in a box can't cause a problem. I don't know where the box is but in a high-risk game (as far as high-risk exists at Carrow Road) it doesn't surprise me that in areas where there are likely sponsors and club partners attending such a big game, they don't want the embarrassment that they stupidly allowed the possibility of Ipswich fan's getting into a home box.

The club could probably offer something else or simply donate to the charity which perhaps they will do, although if they mentioned they'd done that i'm sure there'd be alternate criticism that they were "fishing" for gratitude or something ridiculous.

I think one of the traits of a club that's "connected" to its community is one that supports initiatives by local businesses that support local charities. So by that metric, yes, this is an example of disconnect.

And naivety? In a thread where people, in their absolute desperation to defend the club regardless of what it does, are positing that;

Ipswich fans are going to flood a raffle by a local, Norwich-based business to try and get tickets

AND

Those Ipswich fans might win the raffle

AND

Those Ipswich fans are going to cause significant trouble inside of a corporate box

That is naivety.

And had the club done what you said and said "Sorry guys, we can't let you use the box for that purpose because of the T&Cs and concerns over the volatile nature of the derby but here is a contribution to NARS to make up for it", it would never have made the news, would it? And the reason it made the news is because it's a surprising story, as in not many people will read it and think that it was a pleasant way for the club to behave.

Interestingly, I wonder what thought-process went through the Own the Pitch competition at the end of last year that offered two season tickets for the rest of the year. OHMYGOD! For only £12 Ipswich fans can enter and might win the tickets AND THEY WOULDN'T EVEN BE BEHIND GLASS!!! Where is the due diligence?!?!

Ironically, entering that competition also led to a boost in the number of AEDs in Norfolk. Do you know what saves more lives than AEDs? Norfolk Accident Rescue Service.

So guys, particularly the intellectual giant that is @Branston Pickle, make it make sense.

Are the club correct in shutting down something that could lead to Ipswich fans watching the derby behind a box in the home end and therefore incorrect at running their own competition that could lead to two Ipswich fans sitting in the ground for the derby?

Or were they correct in running the Own the Pitch competition that could lead to two Ipswich fans sitting among fans in the actual seats for the derby and therefore incorrect at shutting down the raffle that would benefit NARS?

Or have we established that it doesn't matter what the club does in your eyes and I'm actually right about what I thought was a tongue-in-cheek reference to seal clubbing?

[Yobocop 1,099]

11 hours ago, Google Bot said:

Is this the same Zoe who does nothing, until the club does something people aren't happy with, and then it's all her doing? 

It's a Pinkun paradox, I tell yee!

Also the same people who scream blind that they’re not targeting Zoe due to her husband yet refer to her as Zoe Webber 

[stratton canary 134]

15 hours ago, Branston Pickle said:

It’s only an example of a ‘disconnect’ if you aren’t thinking. If anyone can’t see the conflict here, they are being rather dense. Saying that the raffle tickets would be ‘strictly to Norwich fans only’ is something you simply can’t police in a raffle for which tickets could be sold to literally anyone.  This is a high risk game, we saw only recently at WBA what can happen if away fans get into home areas - and there could yet be a lot riding on the game. And I hope the ginger haired lucky busker is told to eff off if he tries to get in this time. 

That ginger haired **** head will probably be sitting on Delia's lap!