howzer14 5 Posted December 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, king canary said: Yeah exactly. You can think the law is silly (I personally think dissent should be cracked down on hard but each to their own) but it isn't the referees fault for applying the law as it is now. No but it is his fault when he then doesn't apply the rules, and I'm pretty sure (willing to be proved wrong) the foul he waved play on from so saw was a yellow and the fact a player asks (I've still seen no evidence of this btw) for a yellow doesn't negate the WBA player getting one for the foul? But I mean you have to feel sorry for the refs it a tough gig knowing when to apply the rules and when not to  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian 1,136 Posted December 26, 2023 Definitely should have been more yellows in that game, but Sainz can't complain at either. Very stupid to do that gesture when you have just been booked, and hopefully he has apologised to his teammates. Difficult to say he cost us a point today, but I would have fancied us to at least score if we had 11 on the pitch. PS. Thought Kenny was good at both CB and CM throughout today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarydan23 4,060 Posted December 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said: You are pointing out that King is wrong - I think that makes it three counts. I dare say he’ll soon be along to call you an idiot. Will he be calling him an idiot in hindsight? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mason 47 1,402 Posted December 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said: You are pointing out that King is wrong - I think that makes it three counts. I dare say he’ll soon be along to call you an idiot. Oh, I don't necessarily know that KC is wrong, but I do disagree with the viewpoint. And in fairness, I am a bit of an idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,689 Posted December 26, 2023 7 minutes ago, canarydan23 said: Will he be calling him an idiot in hindsight? Are you sure that isn’t fundamentalism? You appear to be nowhere near as clever as you think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 6,006 Posted December 26, 2023 Busy night on here compared to the 2-0 home win at home to Hudds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,882 Posted December 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said: Busy night on here compared to the 2-0 home win at home to Hudds. Do you think... there might be... some sort of correlation? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 891 Posted December 26, 2023 25 minutes ago, Monty13 said: He’s applied the law of the game as it stands and direction to referees how to apply it, whether that should be the law is a separate argument. eh ? Have another read "Cards should not be used for non football actions" And it is NOT a law of the game. Refs have been urged to clamp down, that's all. There is NO law, unless you can point out a law. Here's a staring point https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarydan23 4,060 Posted December 26, 2023 7 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said: Are you sure that isn’t fundamentalism? You appear to be nowhere near as clever as you think. You might also want to look up irony as well after that 🤣 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,801 Posted December 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said: Busy night on here compared to the 2-0 home win at home to Hudds. It is always funny how much more slow and empty this board feels when we win Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 6,006 Posted December 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said: Do you think... there might be... some sort of correlation? Lemme think! 😄 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Haus 259 Posted December 26, 2023 3 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said: It is always funny how much more slow and empty this board feels when we win People off having a drink or enjoying their evening probably. People have more to say and debate when things go wrong 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,800 Posted December 26, 2023 Maybe his lack of English meant that he was trying to convey his point with hand gestures? Either way, does every ref book every player who makes this gesture in every game the world over? I will suspect not ,the only ones that do are the sort of jobsworths who actively want to 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,678 Posted December 26, 2023 22 minutes ago, howzer14 said: No but it is his fault when he then doesn't apply the rules, and I'm pretty sure (willing to be proved wrong) the foul he waved play on from so saw was a yellow and the fact a player asks (I've still seen no evidence of this btw) for a yellow doesn't negate the WBA player getting one for the foul? But I mean you have to feel sorry for the refs it a tough gig knowing when to apply the rules and when not to  I largely think referees have a very tough gig and about 90% of the criticism comes from fans who are too one eyed to see their own bias. I think whether the foul was or wasn't a yellow is irrelevant. Dissent isn't decided on whether you're right or not, it's still dissent. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 891 Posted December 26, 2023 20 minutes ago, howzer14 said: No but it is his fault when he then doesn't apply the rules, and I'm pretty sure (willing to be proved wrong) the foul he waved play on from so saw was a yellow and the fact a player asks (I've still seen no evidence of this btw) for a yellow doesn't negate the WBA player getting one for the foul? But I mean you have to feel sorry for the refs it a tough gig knowing when to apply the rules and when not to There was no rule here other than the foul by the WBA should have warranted a yellow card. However, that is down to the refs decision. The myth being spread on this forum is that it is some new rule or law relating to what Sainz did THERE IS NOT Therefore the ref was under NO requirement to book Sainz for a non football action. More so given the known consequences of that yellow card. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 6,006 Posted December 26, 2023 Dissent is probably the stupidest way to get a yellow card, and certainly the most ill-disciplined. Anyone can mistime a tackle on occasion, but it takes a special brand of idiocy to argue with the referee - AND ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'VE ALREADY HAD A YELLOW CARD. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monty13 2,252 Posted December 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, RobJames said: eh ? Have another read "Cards should not be used for non football actions" And it is NOT a law of the game. Refs have been urged to clamp down, that's all. There is NO law, unless you can point out a law. Here's a staring point https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules Law 12 CAUTIONABLE OFFENCES A player is cautioned if guilty of dissent by word or action That was hard 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
littleyellowbirdie 2,595 Posted December 26, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, king canary said: I largely think referees have a very tough gig and about 90% of the criticism comes from fans who are too one eyed to see their own bias. I think whether the foul was or wasn't a yellow is irrelevant. Dissent isn't decided on whether you're right or not, it's still dissent. That's fine fans taking a phlegmatic cut and dry approach to it if the referees consistently take a cut and dry approach as you're presenting it, but they don't, which puts the referee firmly in the spotlight as to why they decided to act on that occasion and so radically alter the game as a result. Edited December 26, 2023 by littleyellowbirdie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,678 Posted December 26, 2023 27 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said: You are pointing out that King is wrong - I think that makes it three counts. I dare say he’ll soon be along to call you an idiot. Wasn't planning to as his point actually has some merit unlike your nonsense. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,678 Posted December 26, 2023 1 minute ago, FenwayFrank said: Â This is a great example of this referee being consistent, which is apparently all anyone is asking for. So I expect several apologies to him soon... Â 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarydan23 4,060 Posted December 26, 2023 1 minute ago, king canary said: This is a great example of this referee being consistent, which is apparently all anyone is asking for. So I expect several apologies to him soon... Â It does prove he's a traffic warden style ****. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarydan23 4,060 Posted December 26, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, RobJames said: There was no rule here other than the foul by the WBA should have warranted a yellow card. However, that is down to the refs decision. The myth being spread on this forum is that it is some new rule or law relating to what Sainz did THERE IS NOT Therefore the ref was under NO requirement to book Sainz for a non football action. More so given the known consequences of that yellow card. So you're saying Sainz could have given the w@nker sign and escaped punishment? I need to revisit a couple of my Sunday League fines... Edited December 26, 2023 by canarydan23 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pete 320 Posted December 26, 2023 Lots of part time referees on here are calling the Albion player brandishing a card and therefore should havde been duly booked, can't comment wasn't there. Perhaps he did but maybe it wasn't in the referres face as was shown on SSN at the time. Maybe the ref failed to see but he certainly couldn't fail to see Sainz. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 891 Posted December 26, 2023 Just now, Monty13 said: Law 12Â CAUTIONABLE OFFENCES A player is cautioned if guilty of dissent by word or action That was hard As stated, it is subjective not absolute, as being claimed on here. Sending someone off in those circumstances was not proportionate, and had he merely 'lectured' Sainz there was no rule broken. If all refs took the action, you are suggesting the game would be a six a side game with the first half. He made the wrong decision. Â Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian 1,136 Posted December 26, 2023 Wonder if all these people making excuses for Sainz would also be making excuses for Kenny or Idah had they done the same thing? 🤔 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 891 Posted December 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, king canary said: This is a great example of this referee being consistent, which is apparently all anyone is asking for. So I expect several apologies to him soon. What an absurd comment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 891 Posted December 26, 2023 Just now, Ian said: Wonder if all these people making excuses for Sainz would also be making excuses for Kenny or Idah had they done the same thing? 🤔 No one is making excuses for Sainz. Stop making up stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian 1,136 Posted December 26, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, RobJames said: No one is making excuses for Sainz. Stop making up stuff. So nobody has said it was poor refereeing/harsh/the wrong decision/not a yellow card offence then? Edited December 26, 2023 by Ian Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 891 Posted December 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, canarydan23 said: So you're saying Sainz could have given the w@nker sign and escaped punishment? I need to revisit a couple of my Sunday League fines... No I am saying what I posted. The clue is the words in my post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites