Knapper and the aftermath of saturday

[Bert 236]

If we think the unthinkable for a second and we get beat on Saturday where does that leave the credibility of Knapper?

he will have had the chance to change things but didn’t , does he lose credibility through being caught like a rabbit in the headlights or does he get some leeway? 

[essex canary 622]

We should concentrate on winning some points at FCR. Enjoy the Railway Tavern.

[Hank shoots Skyler 2,094]

No way - regardless of who is in charge a loss on Saturday would be entirely unsurprising so where does any blame come in?

I also don't think Knapper can be blamed for not immediately making a knee jerk decision RE the management, having just joined the club, yes Wagner probably won't be here after this season but there's a hell of a lot for Knapper to get through already before giving himself even more unstable ground to work on. Let him at least familiarise himself with his role, his staff and the squad - I'm sure a better understanding of the team would play a part in his decision making when it does eventually come to getting a new coach?

Also is anyone 100% convinced that a new manager would be able to improve us that much anyway? I think we'll do well to even stay close-ish to the play-offs and can see this season panning out much like the last one... IMO no need to rush any decisions - unless results completely tank but we've at least scraped by these past few weeks. 

[Thirsty Lizard 3,215]

I think we all know who lacks credibility on this thread don't we?

[rock bus 1,059]

I'm not sure it will have any impact.

He could've changed the manager and then still see us lose or.

On other hand if we win on Saturday that doesnt mean it is the right decision to keep Wagner.

Our problems extend far beyond just the manager (although he may indeed be part of the problem).

Whilst Saturday may be hugely important to us fans it is critical that we have a sporting director who thinks far more long term and strategically than basing decisions on one result.

Edited December 12, 2023 by rock bus

[Positive_Canary 48]

I actually like the fact that he has come in and spent time assessing things first hand. 
Win or lose I believe he is empowered by making the Wagner decision based on personal experience. 
A loss doesn’t guarantee a shift in momentum in the longer term. Fortunes have usually see-sawed until 2009 onwards has obviously seen us dominate. 
Whilst a loss to them is clearly unacceptable, it may be a blip which lasts 14 months rather than fourteen years. 
I’m hoping for a good performance and to hurt them in some way. Whether that be by taking points or leaving them with players out against Leeds and Leicester. 

[TIL 1010 5,246]

Wagner has to go and Knapper has to act of that there is no doubt but until he has a replacement lined up the thought of either Andy Hughes or Neil Adams in temporary charge fills me with dread.

The man who brought about this situation has thankfully left the building.

[Number9 272]

25 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Wagner has to go and Knapper has to act of that there is no doubt but until he has a replacement lined up the thought of either Andy Hughes or Neil Adams in temporary charge fills me with dread.

The man who brought about this situation has thankfully left the building.

It's very difficult to find any kind of mitigation in favour of Wagner. 

Below average manager with below average tactics, who brings in below average players and surprisingly gets below average results. 

 

 

[Capt. Pants 5,008]

We have the small matter of Sheff Wed yet. That result could influence Saturdays team selection and also the atmosphere with the fans going into the game.

 

[repman 752]

1 hour ago, Bert said:

If we think the unthinkable for a second and we get beat on Saturday where does that leave the credibility of Knapper?

he will have had the chance to change things but didn’t , does he lose credibility through being caught like a rabbit in the headlights or does he get some leeway? 

I think there has been hesitancy to put a new manager in for the Ipswich game when it's likely we're going to lose anyway. With the results we've got over the last month it's meant we haven't had to make an urgent change but long term there's I can't see Wagner surviving.

[norfolkngood 1,174]

Knapper  is not as experienced as other DOF's which i think might be the reason he wants to get things 100 % right before Wagner goes ,

this is his way of doing things and as long as he gets it right in the end ,we should be happy ,

Other more Experienced DOF's maybe would have come in and sacked Wagner maybe got in a Manager they have worked with etc,

No way is the right  way .Webber had a 1 in 3 success rate for managers and he was far more experienced than Knapper,

it is the end result that Knapper will be judged on and if he needs time to get there then fair enough ,

IF he keeps Wagner on i will be worried 

 

 

[BurwellCanary 256]

3 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

We have the small matter of Sheff Wed yet. That result could influence Saturdays team selection and also the atmosphere with the fans going into the game.

 

We do indeed although @TIL 1010is still correct

[Bomber 57]

1 hour ago, Bert said:

If we think the unthinkable for a second and we get beat on Saturday where does that leave the credibility of Knapper?

he will have had the chance to change things but didn’t , does he lose credibility through being caught like a rabbit in the headlights or does he get some leeway? 

He gets some leeway - he is his own man and is not going to bullied by supporters who think they know best most of which have had no involvement in football whatsoever - what will be will be we just got to let it ride, enjoy Xmas and see what the new year brings - happy holidays 

[Canario 268]

It is really when he goes rather than if.

A lot of the comments against changing him are looking at the short term.  If the new manager comes in and stays at or around his record then fine. So long as he is building a style of play, formation and team.

We won't go down and it's highly unlikley we'll go up. So use the next 6 months or so to build something and hit next season running. Otherwise we sack him at the end of the season and waste all the next one "transitioning"

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[Capt. Pants 5,008]

1 minute ago, BurwellCanary said:

We do indeed although @TIL 1010is still correct

Yes he is, which is why I liked his post. 

 

[Capt. Pants 5,008]

1 minute ago, Canario said:

It is really when he goes rather than if.

A lot of the comments against changing him are looking at the short term.  If the new manager comes in and stays at or around his record then fine. So long as he is building a style of play, formation and team.

We won't go down and it's highly unlikley we'll go up. So use the next 6 months or so to build something and hit next season running. Otherwise we sack him at the end of the season and waste all the next one "transitioning"

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Agreed. And by that time any preferred replacement has been snapped up elsewhere.

I think Knapper's clinging on to hope that we stay in contention for the play-offs and doesn't have to make the decision yet.

I also suspect he's pretty alarmed by the lack of quality in the squad so arguably it doesn't matter who the Head Coach is.

[hogesar 10,762]

2 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Agreed. And by that time any preferred replacement has been snapped up elsewhere.

I think Knapper's clinging on to hope that we stay in contention for the play-offs and doesn't have to make the decision yet.

I also suspect he's pretty alarmed by the lack of quality in the squad so arguably it doesn't matter who the Head Coach is.

I don't think that's true. Generally, if you want a manager that's employed somewhere, you stand a better chance of getting them pre-season than during the season.

If we're only looking at unemployed then you generally have to ask why they are midway through a season and determine if they're really a worthwhile step up.

I don't think not changing the manager now is a hindrance to getting the man we want, assuming in all of this that Knapper actually want's a new man. He might not do.

[repman 752]

31 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Agreed. And by that time any preferred replacement has been snapped up elsewhere.

I think Knapper's clinging on to hope that we stay in contention for the play-offs and doesn't have to make the decision yet.

I also suspect he's pretty alarmed by the lack of quality in the squad so arguably it doesn't matter who the Head Coach is.

I think another reason I've given Knapper some leeway up to this point is that if he sacks Wagner then he's also going to have to get rid of the whole coaching team too.

When we sacked Smith we had somewhat of a coaching infrastructure where things could keep running for a few weeks until a new man was appointed. Since Wagner came in though he's been allowed to replace those staff with 'his' people, this means that they're far more likely to stick together and go down as one unit. When he joined we had both a set piece coach and a GK coach who were independent from any previous coaching staff. The in game analysis has also been taken over this season by Buhler (this also raises a separate question about a lack of dissenting voices but that's possibly for another time), leading to more staff reshuffling. The only man who seemingly has some independence is Pelach but despite the fact they hadn't worked together he was still a Wagner choice as opposed to a club driven appointment.

 

 

[ridgeman 154]

1 hour ago, TIL 1010 said:

Wagner has to go and Knapper has to act of that there is no doubt but until he has a replacement lined up the thought of either Andy Hughes or Neil Adams in temporary charge fills me with dread.

The man who brought about this situation has thankfully left the building.

Delia will want a word with you.lol

[norfolkngood 1,174]

3 hours ago, hogesar said:

I don't think that's true. Generally, if you want a manager that's employed somewhere, you stand a better chance of getting them pre-season than during the season.

If we're only looking at unemployed then you generally have to ask why they are midway through a season and determine if they're really a worthwhile step up.

I don't think not changing the manager now is a hindrance to getting the man we want, assuming in all of this that Knapper actually want's a new man. He might not do.

i am coming round to the thinking it maybe someone employed who he wants ,

Like the rumour of Arsenal No2 he has a chance of a PL medal maybe once in a lifetime chance ,

Also loyalty like a farke about breaking contract so hopefully that's the case ,

If Knapper thinks Wagner is the future which of course is a slim possibility we are in trouble 

[S_81 1,101]

5 hours ago, Bert said:

If we think the unthinkable for a second and we get beat on Saturday where does that leave the credibility of Knapper?

he will have had the chance to change things but didn’t , does he lose credibility through being caught like a rabbit in the headlights or does he get some leeway? 

If we get hammered on Saturday then it will firmly be the fault of Delia and whoever else went along with the nonsense initial plan of Webber’s dragged out departure and handover plans. It left us in limbo with a dross manager in charge. Her assurance phone call also another factor at play. 
 

I’ll blame Knapper if Wagner isn’t out the job come Monday.