What were Hull so mad about?

[Ken Hairy 3,782]

2 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

Yeah, there was one at the World Cup in Qatar (a Japan game I think?) where it looked miles out, but they then showed it using technology and it was overhanging ever so slightly when from the 'normal' camera angle it looked a long way out.

As mentioned previously, though, the assistant was miles behind play so in no position to make a decisive call on it anyway.

I remember that decision. Agree about the lino too well off the pace.

It may well have been out, but one thing is definite its not 'miles out'

Edited August 6, 2023 by Ken Hairy

[hogesar 9,776]

6 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

To be fair, the assistant did the right thing there. When it deflected off the Hull player into Idah's path, Idah was in an offside position. Because it was a massive scramble the assistant probably wasn't sure who it had deflected off, so he'd have called Stroud over. He'd then have said "Idah was in an offside position when the ball deflected to him, but I didn't see who it deflected off." Stroud would have told him it deflected off a Hull player, so the assistant would then have known the goal was legit. Not quite sure what took them so long, though.

No, the linesman didn't flag for the corner offside.

He flagged for an earlier offside on Idah that wasn't offside, which is what @The Real Buh is referring too, even though Idah was 3 or 4 yards onside.

The problem was like you mention there, the linesman was again about 30 yards behind play so panicked. 

That entire refereeing team is completely incompetent and seeing Stroud grin like a demented dwarf everytime he gives a free kick that isn't one just compounds it.

[Feedthewolf 4,901]

Just now, hogesar said:

No, the linesman didn't flag for the corner offside.

He flagged for an earlier offside on Idah that wasn't offside, which is what @The Real Buh is referring too, even though Idah was 3 or 4 yards onside.

The problem was like you mention there, the linesman was again about 30 yards behind play so panicked. 

That entire refereeing team is completely incompetent and seeing Stroud grin like a demented dwarf everytime he gives a free kick that isn't one just compounds it.

Ah okay, hadn't realised there was a separate incident... must have been erased from my memory in all the celebrations and hullaballoo!

In the aftermath of the goal, though, the assistant did the right thing in calling Stroud over to check who the deflection had come off. Can't comment on the other incident because I don't remember it!

[hogesar 9,776]

Just now, Feedthewolf said:

Ah okay, hadn't realised there was a separate incident... must have been erased from my memory in all the celebrations and hullaballoo!

In the aftermath of the goal, though, the assistant did the right thing in calling Stroud over to check who the deflection had come off. Can't comment on the other incident because I don't remember it!

Haha yeah they did converse, although don't know if it was the lino who initiated it, he never raised his flag...

I just saw an opportunity to rant at Stroud and Co, so took it 😅

[Ian 1,136]

Pretty sure they were just mad because they conceded with basically the last kick of the game. We've all been there, and whilst close, all of the decisions the ref gave (or rather didn't give) in the lead up to the goal were correct and justified. 

I am sure in the cold light of day they will realise that it was a legitimate goal, and that they would have got away with one had they left Carrow Road with a point.

[Feedthewolf 4,901]

4 minutes ago, hogesar said:

Haha yeah they did converse, although don't know if it was the lino who initiated it, he never raised his flag...

I just saw an opportunity to rant at Stroud and Co, so took it 😅

Ah okay, I assumed that because Stroud went over to him that he must have raised his flag. No harm in taking the time to ensure you get the decision right given its importance. Presume Stroud just wanted to be absolutely certain that nobody was offside from the original ball in.

[Thirsty Lizard 3,184]

14 minutes ago, TheBaldOne66 said:

As an ex ref the fault lies only with the Assistant, as he’s supposed to be level with the last man in defence, excluding the keeper, and he’s a good metre away which can make it impossible to see clearly. Stroud will have gone by his call and he’s said it’s in play so that’s that. As for Idah, he looks offside, but, the ball is played into his path by a defender as an action rather than a deflection, so again the call is correct.

Having said all that, I’m sure we would all be peed off if it had been the same set of circumstances for a Hull winner. The old cliche everything evens out so we will be victims no doubt sometime through the season too. 

The luck evened itself out in yesterday's game. We should have had two stonewall penalties for handball within 2 seconds of each other (they would both have been given if VAR looked at them). 

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,459]

Hull got the hump . They just lost in the last minute. Their claims on the pitch were about offside - you could see the players trying to get Stroud to look at the screen . It wasn’t offside .

In the post match presser the argument then went to added time (see GK getting booked for time wasting) and the ball being out . 
The Hull reporter evens queries a foul on the player the ball bounces off to set up Idah.

They didn’t know what to moan about next. But I get that . Everyone hates losing .   
 

 

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,459]

39 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

Ah okay, I assumed that because Stroud went over to him that he must have raised his flag. No harm in taking the time to ensure you get the decision right given its importance. Presume Stroud just wanted to be absolutely certain that nobody was offside from the original ball in.

Nope he didn’t raise his flag. He didn’t return to the half way line either . He stood and spoke with  Stroud on the comms. Presumably asking who the ball had come off. The complaints were about offside . It was only later that Hull found 10 other things to moan about. 
 

Edit - as Hoggy has just said the earlier “offside” against Idah was horrendous. The 2-ish players standing in offside decisions (Stacey was one ) aknowldged and jogged away from being active . Idah was miles onside - and the Lino flagged. 

Edited August 6, 2023 by Graham Paddons Beard

[dylanisabaddog 5,031]

The only legitimate argument they have is that the corner that eventually led to the goal was clearly a goal kick. But as someone above has said, the ref missed a clear penalty earlier. When several thousand people shout handball together it's a pretty big clue. 

If I was a Hull fan I would be worried. They got one goal due to a schoolboy error and could easily have conceded 5.

Stroud is an appalling ref but at least he gets it wrong both ways. The big problem with refs that bad is that it winds up the players and someone ends up getting hurt. 

[The Real Buh 3,486]

It’s pretty funny that, for one reason or another, Keith Stroud has to be escorted by security off the pitch and probably out of the stadium at every game he officiates.
 

Surely, at some point somebody would connect those dots. Just search his name of google news, he at it all over the place not just us.

Edited August 6, 2023 by The Real Buh

[Feedthewolf 4,901]

1 minute ago, dylanisabaddog said:

The only legitimate argument they have is that the corner that eventually led to the goal was clearly a goal kick. But as someone above has said, the ref missed a clear penalty earlier. When several thousand people shout handball together it's a pretty big clue. 

If I was a Hull fan I would be worried. They got one goal due to a schoolboy error and could easily have conceded 5.

Stroud is an appalling ref but at least he gets it wrong both ways. The big problem with refs that bad is that it winds up the players and someone ends up getting hurt. 

Wouldn't say it was 'clear' that it was a goal kick. As previously discussed, balls can look well out of play but in reality there's a tiny amount of the ball overhanging the line. And as for the handball, it was at the other end to me so I didn't see it clearly, but you know very well that the Barclay will yell 'handball' in unison for anything even remotely close to a player's hand! If the ref goes with the home crowd every time there's a handball shout, we'd see an awful lot of incorrect penalties given!

[Ian 1,136]

4 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

The only legitimate argument they have is that the corner that eventually led to the goal was clearly a goal kick. 

It really was not clearly a goal kick.

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,459]

2 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

It’s pretty funny that, for one reason or another, Keith Stroud has to be escorted by security off the pitch and probably out of the stadium at every game he officiates.
 

Surely, at some point somebody would connect those dots. Just search his name of google news, he at it all over the place not just us.

Buh, I can’t be bothered to find my posts last year about Stroud but you will see (I recall) that he did get in the prem for a very short while and then quickly removed/ demoted. He has tried ever since to get on The List but fails every year. 
The pool of refs has reduced over the last few years with people going to VAR , retiring or taking a job “upstairs”. There isn’t a plethora of newbies. This is why the hapless Simon Hooper finally made it after being demoted twice. 
 

Stroud is awful. Refs often talk about percentage decisions . These are the decisions taken at least risk. Stroud gave decisions yesterday to the defending team (that are quickly forgotten) that he doesn’t give to attacking teams (that are debated if they result in a goal ) 

Players don’t like him. It starts by kissing the ball . Mocking a player and waving them away like a school master. 
 

Oliver and Taylor are our best refs . Webb was better than both of them. Imagine any of them kissing the ball as they walk out ? 

[horsefly 4,318]

14 minutes ago, Graham Paddons Beard said:

Nope he didn’t raise his flag. He didn’t return to the half way line either . He stood and spoke with  Stroud on the comms. Presumably asking who the ball had come off. The complaints were about offside . It was only later that Hull found 10 other things to moan about. 

I think this report from a balanced Hull journo neatly dismisses all but one of Hull's moans. As for the remaining one (the non-award of a goal kick) the linesperson was simply in no position to award it. End of! 

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hull-city-norwich-keith-stroud-8656543

[The Real Buh 3,486]

1 minute ago, Graham Paddons Beard said:

Buh, I can’t be bothered to find my posts last year about Stroud but you will see (I recall) that he did get in the prem for a very short while and then quickly removed/ demoted. He has tried ever since to get on The List but fails every year. 
The pool of refs has reduced over the last few years with people going to VAR , retiring or taking a job “upstairs”. There isn’t a plethora of newbies. This is why the hapless Simon Hooper finally made it after being demoted twice. 
 

Stroud is awful. Refs often talk about percentage decisions . These are the decisions taken at least risk. Stroud gave decisions yesterday to the defending team (that are quickly forgotten) that he doesn’t give to attacking teams (that are debated if they result in a goal ) 

Players don’t like him. It starts by kissing the ball . Mocking a player and waving them away like a school master. 
 

Oliver and Taylor are our best refs . Webb was better than both of them. Imagine any of them kissing the ball as they walk out ? 

It’s embarrassing to watch to be honest. The guy will cause a riot one day with the way he’s running a game. I certainly wouldn’t give him a tense Derby or anything.

[Ken Hairy 3,782]

10 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

It’s embarrassing to watch to be honest. The guy will cause a riot one day with the way he’s running a game. I certainly wouldn’t give him a tense Derby or anything.

You just know we'll get him against the binners

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Controversy with or without VAR. Its been around in football forever. No doubt we will have something to dispute sooner or later.

What gets me is that the controversy is overshadowing the fact that we played them off the pitch first half and it took two defensive additions for them just to stop us playing.

Yet their assistant manager tells the world they were robbed and deserved a draw. They didn't deserve anything. They were only in with a chance of a draw mainly because we hadn't scored more with the amount of chances we created.

[TheRock 171]

Idah could not be deemed offside.

The Hull defender intentionally tried to play the ball, it hits his abdomen and fell kindly for Idah to tap in.

It is classed as a 'Deliberate Play' by IFAB rules, therefore no offside offense can be awarded, as no advantage has been gained as a result of the Hull Player's failed clearance.

Edited August 6, 2023 by TheRock

[Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,042]

8 hours ago, Ken Hairy said:

Those saying 'well out' are obviously not clear on the exact rule. I don't think you can tell 100% and doubtful the lino could either at real speed, but as it just has to overhang even just 1mm and not actually be touching the white stuff I'd be inclined to say it's still in.

My initial reaction was that the ball went out of play, discussion amongst the people I sit with was 7-2 in favour of the ball being out. That said you can understand why the lino could not see it as he could not keep up with Stacey's blistering pace and he did not have a good line of sight...........

[BroadstairsR 2,218]

Hardly a game goes by without a bad decision on corners, even more so throw-ins. Does VAR cover corner decision can't recall? It is easy to appreciate the linesman's miscall on this one.

We did not score directly from that corner in any case. The fact that Hull could not clear it properly was down to their failings.

As for the complaints about added time. Perhaps they should have studied the new rulings more carefully.

We were also denied 100% penalty for that handball of Rowe's attempted cross.

[TheRock 171]

2 hours ago, BroadstairsR said:

Hardly a game goes by without a bad decision on corners, even more so throw-ins. Does VAR cover corner decision can't recall? It is easy to appreciate the linesman's miscall on this one.

We did not score directly from that corner in any case. The fact that Hull could not clear it properly was down to their failings.

As for the complaints about added time. Perhaps they should have studied the new rulings more carefully.

We were also denied 100% penalty for that handball of Rowe's attempted cross.

 

I think VAR checks if the ball goes out of play if it was within the phase of play that a goal was scored from. However there is no definitive evidence to this!

Remeber the Qatar world cup game, Japan v Germany i think it was? It was not unanimous as to whether the ball fully crossed the bi-line.

Edited August 7, 2023 by TheRock

[Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,297]

22 hours ago, Feedthewolf said:

Wouldn't say it was 'clear' that it was a goal kick. As previously discussed, balls can look well out of play but in reality there's a tiny amount of the ball overhanging the line. And as for the handball, it was at the other end to me so I didn't see it clearly, but you know very well that the Barclay will yell 'handball' in unison for anything even remotely close to a player's hand! If the ref goes with the home crowd every time there's a handball shout, we'd see an awful lot of incorrect penalties given!

If it looked well out of play, then a goal kick should’ve been given. The linesman isn’t seeing a “tiny amount” 

We got lucky. But on balance we deserved it.

[Google Bot 3,342]

Friend sat in the River end said we were lucky to get away with Dimi tripping one of their players in the box second half, anyone else see that?

I remember there being shouts for a pen but not seen anything shown in replays so there couldn't have been much in it, surely?  But then, there's been nothing put out in highlights (that I've seen) regarding the corner incident either.

[canarydan23 4,066]

20 minutes ago, Google Bot said:

Friend sat in the River end said we were lucky to get away with Dimi tripping one of their players in the box second half, anyone else see that?

I remember there being shouts for a pen but not seen anything shown in replays so there couldn't have been much in it, surely?  But then, there's been nothing put out in highlights (that I've seen) regarding the corner incident either.

Yeah I saw that, he definitely put his leg across the Hull player but I'm not convinced there was much, if any, contact. And the Hull appeal wasn't top enthusiastic either.

[Kenny Foggo 1,118]

On 06/08/2023 at 11:31, dylanisabaddog said:

The only legitimate argument they have is that the corner that eventually led to the goal was clearly a goal kick. But as someone above has said, the ref missed a clear penalty earlier. When several thousand people shout handball together it's a pretty big clue. 

If I was a Hull fan I would be worried. They got one goal due to a schoolboy error and could easily have conceded 5.

Stroud is an appalling ref but at least he gets it wrong both ways. The big problem with refs that bad is that it winds up the players and someone ends up getting hurt. 

Rosenior major blub but conveniently forgets the stone wall penalty we were denied. Selective gripes...