England V Italy

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

50 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

First time in my lifetime and most on here I would imagine.

I really didn't think we ever beat them in their own backyard, but they are nothing special.

Mankini out!

We did win at Italia 90 of course.

[Newtopia 522]

1 hour ago, wcorkcanary said:

And because England were time wasting an fouling.  

I thought we were fouling a lot, but I did not see much time wasting, not compared to what goes on in the EPL, I felt it was a reaction to the crowd.

[GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,821]

3 hours ago, TheDarkKnight said:

I have to say, I have no idea why Bellingham is rated so highly.

He had 12 successful passes in 85 minutes. And he was playing deep midfield.

It's the usual English media building up English players. They all said that Sancho was going to world class.

Before that it was Foden. Before that it was Ali.

It has me thinking about the Billy Gilmour hype.

Some Norwich fans still feel jilted. I get it.

But Norwich fans have got to put things into perspective. Jadon Sancho cost £73.4m and he's showed nothing. Unless you count dancing with the ball, in front of a right back, before backing it backwards, something.

Gilmour cost you nothing. Chelsea were probably still paying his wages.

Gilmour cost us one of two Premier League loan spots...which was completely wasted and could have been used elsewhere

[NFN FC 1,123]

3 hours ago, TheDarkKnight said:

I have to say, I have no idea why Bellingham is rated so highly.

He had 12 successful passes in 85 minutes. And he was playing deep midfield.

It's the usual English media building up English players. They all said that Sancho was going to world class.

Before that it was Foden. Before that it was Ali.

It has me thinking about the Billy Gilmour hype.

Some Norwich fans still feel jilted. I get it.

But Norwich fans have got to put things into perspective. Jadon Sancho cost £73.4m and he's showed nothing. Unless you count dancing with the ball, in front of a right back, before backing it backwards, something.

Gilmour cost you nothing. Chelsea were probably still paying his wages.

He wasn't playing deep, more advanced, like a no10. He was good in the first half. I got bored and didn't watch the 2nd. 

[BroadstairsR 2,232]

Bellingham is just 19. He is, without doubt, an exceptional player in the making. His movement in and contribution to the game last night was top class, imo.

[Commonsense 676]

11 hours ago, Capt. Pants said:

We haven't won in Italy for 70 years and it won't be tonight either.

That aged well

[Robert N. LiM 4,667]

5 hours ago, TheDarkKnight said:

I have to say, I have no idea why Bellingham is rated so highly.

 

The trouble with these parody accounts is that they always go too far in the end and break their cover.

[king canary 7,705]

5 hours ago, TheDarkKnight said:

I have to say, I have no idea why Bellingham is rated so highly.

He had 12 successful passes in 85 minutes. And he was playing deep midfield.

It's the usual English media building up English players. They all said that Sancho was going to world class.

Before that it was Foden. Before that it was Ali.

It has me thinking about the Billy Gilmour hype.

Some Norwich fans still feel jilted. I get it.

But Norwich fans have got to put things into perspective. Jadon Sancho cost £73.4m and he's showed nothing. Unless you count dancing with the ball, in front of a right back, before backing it backwards, something.

Gilmour cost you nothing. Chelsea were probably still paying his wages.

Think you could be on to something here.

All that praise from well know English media figures David Alaba and Pep Guardiola. Or that well known machine of pro English bias Whoscored whose numbers have him ranked as their best player in the Bundesliga thus far this season.

Or...maybe...and I'm sure it won't be this but...could it be that your very well hidden and not at all obvious biases against English players could be showing.

Surely not. 

[Robert N. LiM 4,667]

11 minutes ago, king canary said:

All that praise from well know English media figures David Alaba and Pep Guardiola. Or that well known machine of pro English bias Whoscored whose numbers have him ranked as their best player in the Bundesliga thus far this season.

this is all very well, but he's not getting in Scotland's midfield any time soon, is he? 😉

[canarydan23 4,144]

12 hours ago, ron obvious said:

Yeah communism's great isn't it? Try reading The Gulag Archipelago or read about the deliberately engineered famines in the Ukraine & elsewhere when millions died. 

Learn more.

And mind that blood pressure. 

Edited March 24, 2023 by canarydan23

[Ken Hairy 3,810]

11 hours ago, Newtopia said:

Were you watching the second half, once they man marked bellingham they were the better side.

Obviously I hope you are right.

2nd half was more Southgate dropping us 20 yards deeper, yet even with an extra man Pickford was barely bothered. 

[Ken Hairy 3,810]

10 hours ago, CANARYKING said:

I thought that Rice and Walker were both booked twice ?

Rice should have been, the "first" Walker booking was a graphic error by the TV company, it was actually an Italian who was booked then.

[Ken Hairy 3,810]

6 hours ago, TheDarkKnight said:

I have to say, I have no idea why Bellingham is rated so highly.

He had 12 successful passes in 85 minutes. And he was playing deep midfield.

It's the usual English media building up English players. They all said that Sancho was going to world class.

Before that it was Foden. Before that it was Ali.

It has me thinking about the Billy Gilmour hype.

Some Norwich fans still feel jilted. I get it.

But Norwich fans have got to put things into perspective. Jadon Sancho cost £73.4m and he's showed nothing. Unless you count dancing with the ball, in front of a right back, before backing it backwards, something.

Gilmour cost you nothing. Chelsea were probably still paying his wages.

Not sure football is your bag fella 🤣🤣

[ron obvious 1,518]

11 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

Learn more.

And mind that blood pressure. 

Perhaps you could give me some references?

[hogesar 9,820]

6 hours ago, TheDarkKnight said:

I have to say, I have no idea why Bellingham is rated so highly.

He had 12 successful passes in 85 minutes. And he was playing deep midfield.

It's the usual English media building up English players. They all said that Sancho was going to world class.

Before that it was Foden. Before that it was Ali.

It has me thinking about the Billy Gilmour hype.

Some Norwich fans still feel jilted. I get it.

But Norwich fans have got to put things into perspective. Jadon Sancho cost £73.4m and he's showed nothing. Unless you count dancing with the ball, in front of a right back, before backing it backwards, something.

Gilmour cost you nothing. Chelsea were probably still paying his wages.

For someone who claims to watch so much football across so many leagues you really are dog awful at judging players abilities.

[canarydan23 4,144]

22 minutes ago, ron obvious said:

Perhaps you could give me some references?

For one, it's a socialist song.

And two, blaming an ideology excuses the perpetrators. It wasn't communism that starved millions and millions of people to death. It was Stalin and his Soviet Union responsible for that atrocity. Furthermore, it's not difficult to argue that for the majority of its time, the Soviet Union was a state capitalist government as opposed to communist, but that's by the by.

Logically, it's no different to saying we should despise capitalism as it is responsible for the slave trade and led to the commidifying of human beans.

I've not read the Gulag Archipelago, but I wonder if it will make reference to the origins of concentration camps, of which the Gulag labour camps evolved from. It wasn't a communist state that devised the idea, but an imperial capitalist government during the Second Boer War, in which thousands upon thousands of people perished, the vast majority of whom were women and children. Any guesses as to which country was responsible for that wonderful idea?

 

 

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1 hour ago, king canary said:

Think you could be on to something here.

All that praise from well know English media figures David Alaba and Pep Guardiola. Or that well known machine of pro English bias Whoscored whose numbers have him ranked as their best player in the Bundesliga thus far this season.

Or...maybe...and I'm sure it won't be this but...could it be that your very well hidden and not at all obvious biases against English players could be showing.

Surely not. 

I also note he said Bellingham was playing as a deep midfielder despite occupying the 10 spot for most of the game. Not totally sure he even watched it

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

55 minutes ago, Ken Hairy said:

Not sure football is your bag fella 🤣🤣

Winding people up is though.

[Capt. Pants 4,334]

I didn't think Bellingham would last the incredible pace that he set himself in the first half. He was also clearly injured and couldn't get around at all. It was a great 1st half performance from him where he was one of the best players on the pitch.

[wcorkcanary 4,355]

5 minutes ago, hogesar said:

I also note he said Bellingham was playing as a deep midfielder despite occupying the 10 spot for most of the game. Not totally sure he even watched it

Yep, it'd  be much easier to admit BG hasnt lived up to early promise. Then we wouldn't have to put up with badly judged appraisals of other players in comparison . 

[Robert N. LiM 4,667]

2 hours ago, Robert N. LiM said:

The trouble with these parody accounts is that they always go too far in the end and break their cover.

Hugely enjoying the irony of Cambs liking this post. I think our resident chatbot has developed self-awareness. A frightening moment. Alan is turing in his grave.

[TheGunnShow 6,104]

17 hours ago, Ken Hairy said:

Now that's an anthem, not like our dreary, outdated piece of ****

Funny thing is - at least personally, I don't think Italy's anthem is as good as some others. But the British one has to be one of the very worst in Europe, having listened to most of them.

Heck, I even prefer Liechtenstein's anthem, and that's the same bloody tune!

Poland and Romania, ideally at a bit of pace, before anyone asks.

[king canary 7,705]

24 minutes ago, TheDarkKnight said:

I'm sure I could pull up some quotes and jargon that stated that Jadon Sancho was lauded by Pep, etc, that he was the most productive player in the Bundesliga and that we was destined to be the best player in the world.

Pundits, managers and experts aren't Oracles.

I have no bias against English players. However, we're living in a world where Declan Rice is apparently worth £100m and Jude Bellingham is worth £150m

Maybe England's players are a wee bit overrated:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." ~ Joseph Goebbels

Some people overrate Englands players. Some people underrate them.

The idea you're free of bias on them is laughable looking at your posting history on here.

[NFN FC 1,123]

29 minutes ago, TheDarkKnight said:

I'm sure I could pull up some quotes and jargon that stated that Jadon Sancho was lauded by Pep, etc, that he was the most productive player in the Bundesliga and that we was destined to be the best player in the world.

Pundits, managers and experts aren't Oracles.

I have no bias against English players. However, we're living in a world where Declan Rice is apparently worth £100m and Jude Bellingham is worth £150m

Maybe England's players are a wee bit overrated:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." ~ Joseph Goebbels

Only took 6 pages to fulfill Godwins law 

[Well b back 3,310]

32 minutes ago, TheDarkKnight said:

I'm sure I could pull up some quotes and jargon that stated that Jadon Sancho was lauded by Pep, etc, that he was the most productive player in the Bundesliga and that we was destined to be the best player in the world.

Pundits, managers and experts aren't Oracles.

I have no bias against English players. However, we're living in a world where Declan Rice is apparently worth £100m and Jude Bellingham is worth £150m

Maybe England's players are a wee bit overrated:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." ~ Joseph Goebbels

Can’t think of many Pep signings that haven’t become amongst the best in the world in their positions. 
Look at Englands achievements recently, clearly they are rather good.

Did Pep say Harry Kane was the worst player to ever wear a Norwich shirt. 

Edited March 24, 2023 by Well b back

[hogesar 9,820]

12 minutes ago, TheDarkKnight said:

Enlighten me, where have I showed even a slight modicum of bias?

It is possible to have opinions and for their be no agenda. Same as it's entirely possible for people to have their own opinion.

Hey, a fair few people here think Gilmour is sh*t. Bias hasn't once crossed my mind. They just think he's s*it. 😛

The bit where you said BILLY GILMOUR would walk into the England squad would be a pretty good place to start.

[ron obvious 1,518]

3 hours ago, canarydan23 said:

For one, it's a socialist song.

And two, blaming an ideology excuses the perpetrators. It wasn't communism that starved millions and millions of people to death. It was Stalin and his Soviet Union responsible for that atrocity. Furthermore, it's not difficult to argue that for the majority of its time, the Soviet Union was a state capitalist government as opposed to communist, but that's by the by.

Logically, it's no different to saying we should despise capitalism as it is responsible for the slave trade and led to the commidifying of human beans.

I've not read the Gulag Archipelago, but I wonder if it will make reference to the origins of concentration camps, of which the Gulag labour camps evolved from. It wasn't a communist state that devised the idea, but an imperial capitalist government during the Second Boer War, in which thousands upon thousands of people perished, the vast majority of whom were women and children. Any guesses as to which country was responsible for that wonderful idea?

 

 

I agree with this to some extent. The Christian Church has committed the most appalling atrocities in the name of Jesus Christ; it seems to be almost inevitable that any ideology that takes root evolves into a tool to justify the wielding of tyrannical powers. Dostoevsky's "Grand Inquisitor" is an instructive parable on the Church's unspoken aims.

Nevertheless too many western intellectuals turned a blind eye to what was going on in the Soviet Union & upheld it as some sort of nirvana that we should aspire to, smash society up & put the bourgeoisie to the sword. There's a wonderful moment in I'm All Right Jack when Fred Kite dreamily recounts how much he'd like to visit Russia: " All them cornfields & ballet in the evenin's" ..." this sort of rubbish was being taught in our schools & universities - probably still is. I was there, so I know. And naive students swallowed it whole.

I hate ideology. At any rate, all ideologies that lead to the concentration of absolute power in the hands of the elite. Which covers just about all of them.

[canarydan23 4,144]

4 minutes ago, ron obvious said:

this sort of rubbish was being taught in our schools & universities

No school or university I went to. And Stalinist Russia was a unit in my History A-Level and I did a module on 20th century Russia for my History degree. The atrocities committed were not glossed over at all.

[ron obvious 1,518]

2 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

No school or university I went to. And Stalinist Russia was a unit in my History A-Level and I did a module on 20th century Russia for my History degree. The atrocities committed were not glossed over at all.

I can only say your experience is different to mine. And if the extent of the atrocities was so widely known, how on earth did the worship of the USSR by the intellectuals come about?

[canarydan23 4,144]

10 minutes ago, ron obvious said:

I can only say your experience is different to mine. And if the extent of the atrocities was so widely known, how on earth did the worship of the USSR by the intellectuals come about?

They probably weren't as intellectual as they'd like you to believe.