TheGunnShow 5,940 Posted January 4, 2023 Just now, kick it off said: I read somewhere that contrary to him just being a klopp acolyte, he and klopp were room-mates and this system came about as they had long in depth discussions about the way they thought Football should be played. This system is as much Wagner as Klopp, its just klopp has had more success and therefore given the credit for it. Sort of, but Klopp's managerial career started ten years earlier than Wagner's did (he started at Mainz in 2001, Wagner started at Dortmund reserves in 2011). I've read the same that both discussed tactics together when they played at Mainz, but Klopp had ten years head-start in refining them into the Liverpool tactics you see nowadays. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,300 Posted January 4, 2023 41 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said: Didn't crash and burn twice in the prem like a certain overrated German who spent a lot of time in Norfolk either. Actually they both have one relegation on their CV, but don’t let facts get in your way! Farke has two Championships on his! 😂👍 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chichcan 148 Posted January 4, 2023 I don't know if Bethnal Y&G still posts on here or if he'd mind me linking to his blog but I found it interesting https://byag.medium.com/david-wagners-norwich-9601070c9c56 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Disco Dales Jockstrap 1,891 Posted January 4, 2023 Farke=Tuchel (possession) Wagner=Klopp (aggressive pressing) Many similarities between the two though, with both Tuchel and Klopp being influenced by Rangnick's counter-pressing. OTBC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeymarSmith 130 Posted January 4, 2023 5 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said: Mclean is the new Mooy😉 Would.mooy come here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenerationA47 752 Posted January 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Chichcan said: I don't know if Bethnal Y&G still posts on here or if he'd mind me linking to his blog but I found it interesting https://byag.medium.com/david-wagners-norwich-9601070c9c56 Nice one He’s a seasonal poster… will be dropping nuggets on here around 00.01am as the transfer window creaks open Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mengo 822 Posted January 4, 2023 6 hours ago, nutty nigel said: Huddersfield actually stayed up and didn't have Emi Buendia... Well they must have had some good (Weapons) of mass destruction to survive , YOU NEED weapons 😉 💯🤣 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratton canary 134 Posted January 4, 2023 28 minutes ago, NeymarSmith said: Would.mooy come here? I was thinking that, unsure how old he is now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,234 Posted January 4, 2023 29 minutes ago, NeymarSmith said: Would.mooy come here? Unlikely, he's only just joined Celtic. Plus he's 32. I'd be more interested to hear what Wagner's mate at Liverpool has going spare. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Raptor 1,211 Posted January 4, 2023 One of them kept a team in the premier League. One only got promoted once. About even I'd say Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkngood 1,087 Posted January 4, 2023 Farke wears really expensive Aftershave and smelt fantastic Wagner wears old spice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Angry 1,561 Posted January 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Chichcan said: I don't know if Bethnal Y&G still posts on here or if he'd mind me linking to his blog but I found it interesting https://byag.medium.com/david-wagners-norwich-9601070c9c56 If he does, Paragraph 3, Line 3, ‘tenants’ should probably be ‘tenets’. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mengo 822 Posted January 4, 2023 52 minutes ago, Mengo said: Well they must have had some good (Weapons) of mass destruction to survive , YOU NEED weapons 😉💯🤣 Norwich City. Latest official Weapon David Wagner U.S 2022/232021/222020/212019/202018/192017/182016/172015/162014/152013/142012/132011/122008/092007/08 PERSONAL DATA D NAMEDavid Wagner BIRTH DATE1971-10-19 (51 YEARS OLD)COUNTRY OF BIRTH Germany NATIONALITY U.S DUAL NATIONALITY Germany NATURALNESSfrankfurt am main SITUATIONIn activity CURRENT CLUB norwich city CURRENT CLUB norwich city Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barham Blitz 653 Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Chichcan said: I don't know if Bethnal Y&G still posts on here or if he'd mind me linking to his blog but I found it interesting https://byag.medium.com/david-wagners-norwich-9601070c9c56 Interesting article. I'm not sure I share BY&G's optimism regarding the capacity of our current midfield to carry out a gegenpress but an interesting read nonetheless. The attacking side is more of a concern given the patterns he has identified and the propensity for teams at this level to sit off us though. I will admit to only hazy recollections of that Huddersfield team beyond a few individuals but I'm fairly sure that they wouldn't have had teams parking the bus and having to unpick a massed defences in the way that we have in recent years at Champs level. Edited January 4, 2023 by Barham Blitz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet 293 Posted January 4, 2023 10 hours ago, Canary Jedi said: Ok I’m being hugely stereotypical but they’re both German, both came from BD, both successful at Champ level, both failed at Premier League level … what can we expect that is different from Wagner vs what we experienced with Farke? Hopefully Wagner will respectfully tell Webber he's wasted a load of cash and therefore let him decide who he wants to bring in and let go 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrD66M 99 Posted January 5, 2023 13 hours ago, Canary Jedi said: Ok I’m being hugely stereotypical but they’re both German, both came from BD, both successful at Champ level, both failed at Premier League level … what can we expect that is different from Wagner vs what we experienced with Farke? Hopefully he'll also have the sense to connect with fans like Klopp does, it does not need to be a Farke wave but we need to see he - and by extension the squad - cares. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
littleyellowbirdie 2,550 Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Indy said: Actually they both have one relegation on their CV, but don’t let facts get in your way! Farke has two Championships on his! 😂👍 Farke has a lot of responsibility for the second relegation you're putting all on Smith there, but don't let facts get in your way. It may have been Smith at the helm at the end of that second season, but Farke engineered that squad and was heading for massive failure after over quarter of a season with a grand total of 5 points out of a possible 33. But back to Wagner... the existence of an established dynamic for success between Wagner and Webber is interesting, and the fact that the pair of them have had different experiences since and think there's mileage in teaming up again is promising. Add to that the fact that Wagner has been out of work since March, it conveys the impression he wasn't in a rush to return to management per se. Overall, grounds to think there are the ingredients to get promotion out of this season yet, and even if not, with parachute money and a proven successful dynamic with the two, there's reason to think a second bite of the cherry next year would have a decent chance of yielding results as well. Edited January 5, 2023 by littleyellowbirdie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fuzzar 1,702 Posted January 5, 2023 13 hours ago, Chichcan said: I don't know if Bethnal Y&G still posts on here or if he'd mind me linking to his blog but I found it interesting https://byag.medium.com/david-wagners-norwich-9601070c9c56 Thanks for posting. His Huddersfield teams scoring fewer than 30 goals in each of their top flight seasons is something to look forward to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
littleyellowbirdie 2,550 Posted January 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Fuzzar said: Thanks for posting. His Huddersfield teams scoring fewer than 30 goals in each of their top flight seasons is something to look forward to. If number goals mattered, people would have been a bit more enthused at us being one of the top-scoring teams in the league this season, wouldn't they? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
