Jersey Canary 143 Posted July 21, 2022 With the sale of Zimmermann, Lees Melou, potential loan fees for Tzolis, Placheta etc. I was wondering how much cash we have manged to realise as part of these deals? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaberry2 554 Posted July 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Jersey Canary said: With the sale of Zimmermann, Lees Melou, potential loan fees for Tzolis, Placheta etc. I was wondering how much cash we have manged to realise as part of these deals? £3.00 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 5,972 Posted July 21, 2022 Considering we've dropped a league, I think it's reasonable enough to say we'll try to cut our wage bill considerably so that less is going out, especially if we don't get promotion and also not to put as much strain on the parachute payments. We've got two new midfielders in, sold off a fair few players who seemed to be falling a bit short, and got a couple of promising looking loans for players to develop. Most importantly, we've got arguably the two most important ones in first, namely a defensive midfielder and a genuine box-to-box one. We also know we spent more upfront than ideally wanted when getting Sara in. So unless one of the major assets goes, I wouldn't expect to see much more spending unless it's a small fee on a promising youngster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,153 Posted July 21, 2022 1 minute ago, TheGunnShow said: Considering we've dropped a league, I think it's reasonable enough to say we'll try to cut our wage bill considerably so that less is going out, especially if we don't get promotion and also not to put as much strain on the parachute payments. We've got two new midfielders in, sold off a fair few players who seemed to be falling a bit short, and got a couple of promising looking loans for players to develop. Most importantly, we've got arguably the two most important ones in first, namely a defensive midfielder and a genuine box-to-box one. We also know we spent more upfront than ideally wanted when getting Sara in. So unless one of the major assets goes, I wouldn't expect to see much more spending unless it's a small fee on a promising youngster. You are Stuart Webber and I claim my £5. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shefcanary 2,435 Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) Zimbo was nominal, wouldn't be surprised its a free. Lees Molou is £3.5m (€4m euros). For Tzolis, my hunch is the fee is the amount Enschede will contribute to his salary rather than a fee per se. Placheta will be a six-figure fee at best, which again could be lower dependent upon what element of his salary Brum pays. So c. £4m to transfer coffers, maybe £5m off the salary bill. Edited July 21, 2022 by shefcanary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 5,972 Posted July 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Nuff Said said: You are Stuart Webber and I claim my £5. Sorry, we couldn't afford it. 😉 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terminally Yellow 2,471 Posted July 21, 2022 27 minutes ago, jaberry2 said: £3.00 Enough for a Tesco Meal Deal. Score. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sooty57 403 Posted July 21, 2022 35 minutes ago, Jersey Canary said: With the sale of Zimmermann, Lees Melou, potential loan fees for Tzolis, Placheta etc. I was wondering how much cash we have manged to realise as part of these deals? I heard no cash changed hands, but Webber accepted the payment in Nepalese Luncheon Vouchers 😉 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBaldOne66 693 Posted July 21, 2022 Maybe the club is really in a financial mess big time after selling so many but bringing only 2 in? It will be interesting to see if we actually spend anymore this Summer, or just get loans and freebies Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shefcanary 2,435 Posted July 21, 2022 Just now, TheBaldOne66 said: Maybe the club is really in a financial mess big time after selling so many but bringing only 2 in? It will be interesting to see if we actually spend anymore this Summer, or just get loans and freebies Hearsay your honour! The key fact was that a lot of last year's squad were ****ing useless - a sea change was required! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
repman 635 Posted July 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, TheBaldOne66 said: Maybe the club is really in a financial mess big time after selling so many but bringing only 2 in? It will be interesting to see if we actually spend anymore this Summer, or just get loans and freebies We've sold 2 first team players and have spent more on a single player than the 2 outgoing fees combined. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terminally Yellow 2,471 Posted July 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, TheBaldOne66 said: Maybe the club is really in a financial mess big time after selling so many but bringing only 2 in? It will be interesting to see if we actually spend anymore this Summer, or just get loans and freebies Honestly, the **** you people come out with. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaberry2 554 Posted July 21, 2022 16 minutes ago, Terminally Yellow said: Enough for a Tesco Meal Deal. Score. Not if you dont have a club card - £3.50 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terminally Yellow 2,471 Posted July 21, 2022 Just now, jaberry2 said: Not if you dont have a club card - £3.50 Come on. Everyone has a club card. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaberry2 554 Posted July 21, 2022 The clubs been pretty transparent in the respect that to expect more out than in. Trimming of the squad was necessary, with only a couple (2/3) incoming quality first team players. Not many more unless a big money out was made. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBaldOne66 693 Posted July 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Terminally Yellow said: Honestly, the **** you people come out with. Whereas people like you only speak the truth don’t you 🤣🤣🤣 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AJ 1,224 Posted July 21, 2022 Definitely more about cutting costs rather than creating room for investments. We appear to have put all our eggs in one basket with Sara. Admittedly we didn't spend any money in January so maybe we did have a little left over from last seasons budget Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terminally Yellow 2,471 Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, TheBaldOne66 said: Whereas people like you only speak the truth don’t you 🤣🤣🤣 My opinions are based on what I know. I know (because it's a well established fact, you can read the accounts released yearly yourself) we are (external) debt free, one of very few clubs to be so. I also know (because it's been said by numerous officials at the club) that we follow a self funded model. We spend what we make. The budgets are set accordingly. So to see someone come on here and suggest we're in "a financial mess big time" leads me to the opinion that either you don't read a ****ing thing about the football club you invest your free time into writing on a football forum about or you're too ****ing thick to understand the basics about how this club is run. Which is it? Edited July 21, 2022 by Terminally Yellow 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,577 Posted July 21, 2022 2 hours ago, TheGunnShow said: Considering we've dropped a league, I think it's reasonable enough to say we'll try to cut our wage bill considerably so that less is going out, especially if we don't get promotion and also not to put as much strain on the parachute payments. We've got two new midfielders in, sold off a fair few players who seemed to be falling a bit short, and got a couple of promising looking loans for players to develop. Most importantly, we've got arguably the two most important ones in first, namely a defensive midfielder and a genuine box-to-box one.We also know we spent more upfront than ideally wanted when getting Sara in. So unless one of the major assets goes, I wouldn't expect to see much more spending unless it's a small fee on a promising youngster. I think we paid both more than we wanted to as a basic fee (especially given that apparently we fancied an initial loan with a buy option/obligation) and more than we wanted to as an immediate first instalment! The question is whether we cash in - if we get an offer - on Aarons, since I assume now we will hold onto Rashica. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shefcanary 2,435 Posted July 21, 2022 42 minutes ago, Terminally Yellow said: My opinions are based on what I know. I know (because it's a well established fact, you can read the accounts released yearly yourself) we are (external) debt free, one of very few clubs to be so. I also know (because it's been said by numerous officials at the club) that we follow a self funded model. We spend what we make. The budgets are set accordingly. So to see someone come on here and suggest we're in "a financial mess big time" leads me to the opinion that either you don't read a ****ing thing about the football club you invest your free time into writing on a football forum about or you're too ****ing thick to understand the basics about how this club is run. Which is it? Or he's just **** stirring, following the BoJo theory of chaos - keep on telling lies often enough and some of the other idiots out there start to believe it as the truth! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crafty Canary 497 Posted July 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, shefcanary said: Or he's just **** stirring, following the BoJo theory of chaos - keep on telling lies often enough and some of the other idiots out there start to believe it as the truth! Cheer up, we’ll soon have Bizzy Lizzy running the country. A Norflok constituency PM 👏👏 - you know it makes sense. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Angry 1,570 Posted July 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Terminally Yellow said: My opinions are based on what I know. I know (because it's a well established fact, you can read the accounts released yearly yourself) we are (external) debt free, one of very few clubs to be so. I also know (because it's been said by numerous officials at the club) that we follow a self funded model. We spend what we make. The budgets are set accordingly. So to see someone come on here and suggest we're in "a financial mess big time" leads me to the opinion that either you don't read a ****ing thing about the football club you invest your free time into writing on a football forum about or you're too ****ing thick to understand the basics about how this club is run. Which is it? Or Option 3 = Trolling Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chicken 2,640 Posted July 21, 2022 5 hours ago, Jersey Canary said: With the sale of Zimmermann, Lees Melou, potential loan fees for Tzolis, Placheta etc. I was wondering how much cash we have manged to realise as part of these deals? Very dangerous question to come here and ask... in that you're likely to get a lot of rubbish responses making up how we get virtually nothing for loans and they barely cover any wages etc. I think it depends upon the level and level of player. It was rumoured we paid out around £2m in a loan fee for Fahrmann when he came here on loan. Some folks on here will say we get a couple of grand for our own loans. Wouldn't surprise me if Placheta's loan was hundreds of thousands. Rumour is that Lees-Melou's sale will recoup most of what we paid for him which I believe was £3.75m, the suggestion I have seen is £3.5m. Zimmermann is likely to be hundreds of thousands I suspect. At the end of the day though, it raises funds in two ways, if players are off the wage bill altogether, those contracts are gone. So a £40k pw contract for two seasons in terms of a financial commitment is taken out of the equation. PLM would have been on half decent wages even after relegation I suspect, he had a good pedigree in France which is why a move for him has, perhaps, been easier to find. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeiranShikari 1,425 Posted July 21, 2022 Not a lot of fees but a decent amount of wage off the book I would imagine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBaldOne66 693 Posted July 21, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Terminally Yellow said: My opinions are based on what I know. I know (because it's a well established fact, you can read the accounts released yearly yourself) we are (external) debt free, one of very few clubs to be so. I also know (because it's been said by numerous officials at the club) that we follow a self funded model. We spend what we make. The budgets are set accordingly. So to see someone come on here and suggest we're in "a financial mess big time" leads me to the opinion that either you don't read a ****ing thing about the football club you invest your free time into writing on a football forum about or you're too ****ing thick to understand the basics about how this club is run. Which is it? Ooh hark at you, I don’t read accounts no, I only go on what I see happening, I see lots of players going and few coming in, it was a question not a fact so don’t be too ****ing stupid as to say I stated it as a fact ok, don’t get your blue and white knickers in a twist ok! The big clue it was a question is this thing at the end of the first sentence , ?, it is after all called a QUESTION mark 🤣🤣 Edited July 21, 2022 by TheBaldOne66 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,336 Posted July 21, 2022 5 hours ago, Terminally Yellow said: Come on. Everyone has a club card. I don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daly 506 Posted July 21, 2022 How the hell has this club no money Maximum gates 2 lots of Parachute payments Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeiranShikari 1,425 Posted July 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, daly said: How the hell has this club no money Maximum gates 2 lots of Parachute payments I feel like if you really wanted to know the answer to this you'd go and look at previous breakdowns of recent accounts. We clearly do have SOME money btw or we wouldn't have committed to spending £12m on Sara. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeiranShikari 1,425 Posted July 21, 2022 Also do you really think parachute payments stack? They don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Move Klose 303 Posted July 21, 2022 24 minutes ago, daly said: How the hell has this club no money Maximum gates 2 lots of Parachute payments I doubt a season worth of season tickets and casual tickets sold don't cover much. Parachute payments are not designed to give you a load of money to spend. It's to help you balance the wages of those players/staff you spent x amount on in the premier league. As our wage bill now is obviously alot higher than last time out in the championship. Don't get me wrong it does give you a little room for manoeuvre but not massively. For example if we don't go up this season expect the wage bill slashed and sales to increase rapidly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites