Net Worth of Owners

[CirclePoint 205]

54 minutes ago, ged in the onion bag said:

Interesting table.    Is there one for how much debt each club carries?    This particular table suggests the actual wealth of owners is pretty immaterial.   

Is it? Or maybe it shows that if NCFC steps one financial foot off balance, it's over. Delia & Co simply do not have the financial strength to save the club. Further, considering the amount of money being wasted on players at the moment, the line being walked is very fine.

As to your request:

https://www.1sports1.com/ranked-premier-league-clubs-with-the-most-debts/

Apologies. It won't come through as a clickable link.

 

 

[NCPFC 11]

51 minutes ago, CirclePoint said:

Is it? Or maybe it shows that if NCFC steps one financial foot off balance, it's over. Delia & Co simply do not have the financial strength to save the club. Further, considering the amount of money being wasted on players at the moment, the line being walked is very fine.

As to your request:

https://www.1sports1.com/ranked-premier-league-clubs-with-the-most-debts/

Apologies. It won't come through as a clickable link.

 

 

https://www.1sports1.com/ranked-premier-league-clubs-with-the-most-debts/

[essex canary 503]

Should we be thankful that our debt is minimal or concerned about the thin end of the wedge as our ability to service it is also minimal?

[CirclePoint 205]

2 hours ago, essex canary said:

Should we be thankful that our debt is minimal or concerned about the thin end of the wedge as our ability to service it is also minimal?

I would honestly say both.

Having to sell key players every other season to finance the club and acquire new players is not a model that will see NCFC as a stable Premier League team.

However, if the financial world was ever to require all debts to be paid by all teams, NCFC would clearly be in an advantageous position.

 

[wcorkcanary 4,336]

4 hours ago, CirclePoint said:

 

However, if the financial world was ever to require all debts to be paid by all teams, NCFC would clearly be in an advantageous position.

 

Imagine!!!  

[ged in the onion bag 856]

So why the clamour for rich investors when all they do is load up the club with future financial problems.  Clearly they only use their wealth to secure the loans.  
 

Why aren’t Burnley able to sign anyone this window when they’ve been in the EPL for so long?    Presumably because of the debt.     End of the day, short term glory leads to long term pain.   
 

Rather take our model and hope they can learn from mistakes / improve practices and get 2 CDMs!  

[Badger 2,407]

15 hours ago, Disco Dales Jockstrap said:

Interestingly, 15 of those clubs are currently in the Premier League and two of them were last season. So the money does appear to be an important factor, in the majority of cases.

Possibly - although I think that some consideration could be given to the direction of causality - are the clubs successful because they have a rich owner or do they have a rich owner because they are successful?

Most of the clubs with rich owners were successful before they had billionaire owners: only a small percentage of them have become successful for the first time since having a billionaire owner.

[The Great Mass Debater 1,090]

On 04/01/2022 at 16:05, Satriales said:

The figures on that list are crazy! Even L1 and L2 there are billionaire owners. Surely we are a more attractive purchase than a club such as Barnsley!?

The gap between Man City and Newcastle is staggering. I know that's the owners and not the club but staggering nevertheless

[The Great Mass Debater 1,090]

On 04/01/2022 at 16:01, CirclePoint said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_owners_of_English_football_clubs

Delia & Co truly are mice at the table, both in the Premier League and the Championship.

 

 

[The Great Mass Debater 1,090]

So, If I've read that correctly, in terms of personal worth of the owners - for those listed (and there are some which arent listed), EVERY Championship team has richer owners, and only Carlisle and Shrewsbury from the lower leagues have owners with less money? *Half League One and League Two dont have a listing*

Im sorry but I just dont buy this idea that noone is interested in the club.

We are that famhouse in the middle of the M62. We are the building n Batteries Not Included.

[McWrighty 52]

On 04/01/2022 at 17:43, canarydan23 said:

That list actually makes me quite proud.

Hear hear!

[The Great Mass Debater 1,090]

On 04/01/2022 at 22:19, NCPFC said:

https://www.1sports1.com/ranked-premier-league-clubs-with-the-most-debts/

Interesting the level of debt. Leeds spiralled simply from being 30-80m in debt (I give such a wide range because the intial figure put out was 30m, but then became 80m). Apart from the two recently purchased clubs Newcastle and Villa, and ourselves, every PL team owes more than that.

[Badger 2,407]

31 minutes ago, The Great Mass Debater said:

Im sorry but I just dont buy this idea that noone is interested in the club.

 

Of course there would be people interested in making a profit if it were priced lowly enough. It is finding people to just give you money that is the hard part.

[essex canary 503]

29 minutes ago, Badger said:

Of course there would be people interested in making a profit if it were priced lowly enough. It is finding people to just give you money that is the hard part.

Not too many philanthropists and maybe those that claim to be aren't. Nothing is free.

[Midlands Yellow 4,018]

Delia and Michael could make a pitch to the Dragons Den investors. £100m for 30% of the club could swing it. 

[essex canary 503]

6 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Delia and Michael could make a pitch to the Dragons Den investors. £100m for 30% of the club could swing it. 

They would probably feel safe that they would be turned down with those numbers.

[Midlands Yellow 4,018]

1 minute ago, essex canary said:

They would probably feel safe that they would be turned down with those numbers.

Negotiate until all parties are happy. 

[Badger 2,407]

3 hours ago, essex canary said:

Not too many philanthropists and maybe those that claim to be aren't. Nothing is free.

There's a lot on here that haven't grasped this yet. 😟

[Son Ova Gunn 165]

So many failing to see the fundamental problem of a premiership club having league one owners. 
Bottom of the table and probably not buying any 1st team player in January window to try and escape because we have no money. Unable to recruit and pay for the quality players required in the league we find ourselves in. Unable to keep our best players who can double their wages in a mid table mediocre team. Still so many fans accepting of this situation and resigned to this is the way it is, has been for decades and how it should be, all the other clubs are wrong not us. Perhaps the 48% shareholders need a shake up more than the 52%ers

[Mengo 825]

38 minutes ago, Son Ova Gunn said:

So many failing to see the fundamental problem of a premiership club having league one owners. 
Bottom of the table and probably not buying any 1st team player in January window to try and escape because we have no money. Unable to recruit and pay for the quality players required in the league we find ourselves in. Unable to keep our best players who can double their wages in a mid table mediocre team. Still so many fans accepting of this situation and resigned to this is the way it is, has been for decades and how it should be, all the other clubs are wrong not us. Perhaps the 48% shareholders need a shake up more than the 52%ers

I can't find an argument against anything that you have said. I think you have put the problems in a really simple but very accurate way. There is no use being in this league if its not been treated as a place where we want to be. May I suggest that is there a possibility that the 48% are members of this forum? As the saying goes tradition dies hard. One year your up next year your down. Kind of demoralising for the majority of fans. But there again maybe not.!! RIP.

[komakino 272]

There is a heavy irony that Delia & Michael would not meet their own criteria to sell, as people who won't invest or attract investment aren't really what a football club needs...

[nutty nigel 7,555]

Those 48%ers who post on here need to own up so that we can give them a good old shake rattle and roll.....

 

 

 

Count me in🥴

[Nuff Said 5,153]

On 04/01/2022 at 18:25, Naturalcynic said:

Yes, money is no guarantee of success. But sadly no money is a guarantee of failure.

But we don’t have *no* money. We have *less* money. 

[Naturalcynic 642]

1 hour ago, Nuff Said said:

But we don’t have *no* money. We have *less* money. 

You’re not completely pedantic, just fairly pedantic.

[Overrated, over paid 22]

On 04/01/2022 at 17:38, ged in the onion bag said:

That just confirms that you lot screaming for money are clueless.     We could have investors with billions and it may not make any difference, could even be worse.    

Suggests these billionaire owners aren't actually very good at running football clubs - do we want that?

Suggests these wealthy owners have loads a dosh but don't put it into the clubs - do we want that?   

What's Vincent Tan's fortune done for Cardiff?    Gibsons Millions doing for Middlesborough?      

You're all in dreamland!!!!    This serves to confirm that rich investors means diddly!   

Looking at that list, suggests our owners have done a brilliant job.   

Well said! Anyone with half a brain cell would be applauding the club's financial miracle and sound management. The same people screaming for billionaire owners to throw cash around are the same that were outraged when the 'Big Six' wanted to do a breakaway league to, guess what, generate more money!!!! The stupidity of the 'average' fan is shocking!!! (slams head off desk)!!👍

[komakino 272]

Our majority shareholders are hardly the envy of any club. They don’t invest or attract investment, which makes them completely superfluous. 
 

 

[ged in the onion bag 856]

46 minutes ago, komakino said:

Our majority shareholders are hardly the envy of any club. They don’t invest or attract investment, which makes them completely superfluous. 
 

 

Could you explain why?   

Edited January 7, 2022 by ged in the onion bag

[komakino 272]

18 minutes ago, ged in the onion bag said:

Could you explain why?   

A pre requisite of any owner in modern football is that they would invest either themselves or attract investment, but we have owners that do neither. Therefore they are superfluous. 
 

 

 

[essex canary 503]

What is the point of having 6,863 shareholders  but an active trust owning 0.5 per cent of the shares in issue. Perhaps to ensure that the 47% have no effective influence whilst the 53 per cent are 'custodians'?

[spencer 1970 207]

From my calcapootuns I believe that the following *55 clubs have owners far richer than yows, I mean us.

Newcastle United
Manchester City
Queens Park Rangers
Chelsea
Arsenal
Aston Villa
Stoke City
Wolverhampton Wanderers
Barnsley
Fulham
Leicester City
Crystal Palace
West Ham United
Tottenham Hotspur
Manchester United
Leeds United
Everton
Liverpool
West Bromwich Albion
Bristol City
Sunderland
Preston North End
Southampton
Brighton & Hove Albion
Portsmouth
Reading
Stevenage
Burnley
Blackburn Rovers
Cardiff City
Derby County
Sheffield Wednesday
Bristol Rovers
Colchester United
Huddersfield Town
Birmingham City
S****horpe United
Hull City
Middlesbrough
Milton Keynes Dons
Swindon Town
Sheffield United
Rotherham United
Millwall
Bradford City
Watford
Fleetwood Town
Forest Green Rovers
Bournemouth
Bolton Wanderers
Blackpool
Brentford
Coventry City
Swansea City
Peterborough United

then...
Norwich City

However, We've (potentially) more money than these paupers though. Ner!

Carlisle United
Shrewsbury Town
Leyton Orient
Mansfield Town
Luton Town

...makes it seem we're over achieving a bit now ey?

*some of the data not avalible, but we know that a lot of the League one teams have more owner wealth than us, especially the 3 star wizards down the road.. Hey, I'd still prefer to be in ours shoes but it does make you wonder why we've not been bought yet.