McLean

[Ken Hairy 3,811]

Please don't come out after the game spouting crap again, there's a good fella 👍

[canarydan23 4,144]

Please don't come out for the next game.

Or any after that.

[Petriix 2,858]

We needed to upgrade his position in the summer. He is an average Championship player at best.

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,907]

I've maintained for the last three years that he's a very good Championship midfielder but not a 'starting XI' Premier League player. 

The fact he keeps getting picked despite not being good enough isn't his fault; it's just sums up our lack of decent options.

[Ward 3 386]

How does this clown play week after week. He's so crap

[Petriix 2,858]

52 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

I've maintained for the last three years that he's a very good Championship midfielder but not a 'starting XI' Premier League player. 

The fact he keeps getting picked despite not being good enough isn't his fault; it's just sums up our lack of decent options.

You misspelled 'average'.

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,907]

3 minutes ago, Petriix said:

You misspelled 'average'.

Bit harsh; he was a regular after his injury in the 18/19 and 20/21 seasons and we won the league both times. 

[Worthy Nigelton 1,092]

Just now, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

Bit harsh; he was a regular after his injury in the 18/19 and 20/21 seasons and we won the league both times. 

Yep. Six goals in four seasons where he's played virtually every minute, two of those seasons we walked the league at Champs level. He's not a CDM - he's a number 8 type midfielder. This stat about his lack of goals doesnt get mentioned enough. He doesnt score, create, break up play, spread it around, carry the ball... all he does is run around and head it. Awful player at this level, average in the Champ.

[Capt. Pants 4,334]

His cross this afternoon was so poor that someone had to jump out the crowd to get on the end of it.

Not even close to Premier League standard.

[canarydan23 4,144]

1 hour ago, Petriix said:

We needed to upgrade his position in the summer. He is an average Championship player at best.

Yep, another absolutely obvious issue that needed addressing that Webber completely ignored. Utterly negligent for a second Premier League campaign running.

[spencer 1970 208]

1 minute ago, Capt. Pants said:

Not even close to Premier League standard.

Who do we have who's close to Premier League standard then?

[Petriix 2,858]

10 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

Bit harsh; he was a regular after his injury in the 18/19 and 20/21 seasons and we won the league both times. 

You must have missed all the goals we conceded when he left gaping holes in the midfield or simply passed the ball to the opposition. He was clearly the weakest player in our midfield. Plenty of effort but a real lack of footballing intelligence and ability.

[Capt. Pants 4,334]

1 minute ago, spencer 1970 said:

Who do we have who's close to Premier League standard then?

Not one single player really.

Max and Krul and that's it.

[overthebordercanary 143]

1 minute ago, Capt. Pants said:

Not one single player really.

Max and Krul and that's it.

Is Max really as good as we are making out?

[hogesar 9,820]

1 hour ago, Ward 3 said:

How does this clown play week after week. He's so crap

Because we didn't get anyone better. Well, Normann is but he's injured. None of the other midfielders have outperformed him.

[Ward 3 386]

2 minutes ago, hogesar said:

Because we didn't get anyone better. Well, Normann is but he's injured. None of the other midfielders have outperformed him.

Why do you love him so much? Sorensen should be given a chance to play. Let me guess you're now going to say sorensen was poor when he played there, he's played 3 or 4 games in how long? And how many in his preferred position? PLM could play deeper bigger and more physical than mcclown. Who costs us most goal, McLean 

[Midlands Yellow 4,122]

3 minutes ago, hogesar said:

Because we didn't get anyone better. Well, Normann is but he's injured. None of the other midfielders have outperformed him.

So he is crap but slightly less shi£e than the others around him? That’s a glowing endorsement. 

[Ward 3 386]

2 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

So he is crap but slightly less shi£e than the others around him? That’s a glowing endorsement. 

Hahah 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[1902 1,167]

McLean, Rupp, Gilmore, PLM et al. would dominate most championship sides. 

That's not an endorsement of them, that's just a reflection on the huge, huge gap between the championship and the premier league.

The issue is we have one midfielder out of 6 who is good enough at the level we play at now which is the relevant thing.

Edited December 28, 2021 by 1902

[canarybubbles 1,966]

2 minutes ago, 1902 said:

McLean, Rupp, Gilmore, PLM et al. would dominate most championship sides. 

That's not an endorsement of them, that's just a reflection on the huge, huge gap between the championship and the premier league.

The issue is we have one midfielder out of 5 who is good enough at the level we play at now which is the relevant thing.

If you mean Normann, he plays about 10 games a year, so he's not good enough either.

[1902 1,167]

Just now, canarybubbles said:

If you mean Normann, he plays about 10 games a year, so he's not good enough either.

There's that.

[Ken Hairy 3,811]

19 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Not one single player really.

Max and Krul and that's it.

Max isn't anywhere near. 

[hogesar 9,820]

13 minutes ago, Ward 3 said:

Why do you love him so much? Sorensen should be given a chance to play. Let me guess you're now going to say sorensen was poor when he played there, he's played 3 or 4 games in how long? And how many in his preferred position? PLM could play deeper bigger and more physical than mcclown. Who costs us most goal, McLean 

I dont love him. The fact he's started nearly every game this season, and is now starting every game under yet another manager just shows we don't have anyone better. If McLean was worse than Sorensen and PLM then don't you think Smith or Shakespeare with his years of coaching would have been able to identify that? Even if you say Farke was deluded its a bit of a stretch to claim these guys are as well. It could just be that you're wrong.

14 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

So he is crap but slightly less shi£e than the others around him? That’s a glowing endorsement. 

Well yes, quite. It is a problem that he has started every game this season - it shows we haven't strengthened well enough in midfield whatsoever - but its not his fault that yet another manager has decided he should start every game 

[The Bristol Nest 521]

12 minutes ago, hogesar said:

I dont love him. The fact he's started nearly every game this season, and is now starting every game under yet another manager just shows we don't have anyone better. If McLean was worse than Sorensen and PLM then don't you think Smith or Shakespeare with his years of coaching would have been able to identify that? Even if you say Farke was deluded its a bit of a stretch to claim these guys are as well. It could just be that you're wrong.

Well yes, quite. It is a problem that he has started every game this season - it shows we haven't strengthened well enough in midfield whatsoever - but its not his fault that yet another manager has decided he should start every game 

But surely someone has to take the blame. Insert here is fluking sh1te!😄

[Dr Greenthumb 753]

14 minutes ago, hogesar said:

I dont love him. The fact he's started nearly every game this season, and is now starting every game under yet another manager just shows we don't have anyone better. If McLean was worse than Sorensen and PLM then don't you think Smith or Shakespeare with his years of coaching would have been able to identify that? Even if you say Farke was deluded its a bit of a stretch to claim these guys are as well. It could just be that you're wrong.

Well yes, quite. It is a problem that he has started every game this season - it shows we haven't strengthened well enough in midfield whatsoever - but its not his fault that yet another manager has decided he should start every game 

Sorensen has to keep playing centre back to cover for the duds we’ve signed there, it’s such an embarrassment 

[Commonsense 676]

40 minutes ago, overthebordercanary said:

Is Max really as good as we are making out?

Yes certainly relative to the others. Also Teemu when given service

[Commonsense 676]

36 minutes ago, Ward 3 said:

Why do you love him so much? Sorensen should be given a chance to play. Let me guess you're now going to say sorensen was poor when he played there, he's played 3 or 4 games in how long? And how many in his preferred position? PLM could play deeper bigger and more physical than mcclown. Who costs us most goal, McLean 

Why do you have a love affair with Sorensen? Did you see that miss today?

[rock bus 875]

46 minutes ago, overthebordercanary said:

Is Max really as good as we are making out?

No.

Byram showed today that even after 2 years out he is much better than Max

[1902 1,167]

7 minutes ago, Dr Greenthumb said:

Sorensen has to keep playing centre back to cover for the duds we’ve signed there, it’s such an embarrassment 

Ok, it's been a rubbish day in a very bad season, but let's not make stuff up to add to our worries. Sorenson played there because of players out and Kabak not being fit after the weekend.

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,907]

54 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

So he is crap but slightly less shi£e than the others around him? That’s a glowing endorsement. 

But he's right. McLean isn't good enough at this level, but aside from Normann who is out for a while, we don't have any central midfielders who are actually any better than him.

It's too early to judge Sorensen, for me.