Do you think Footballers have a duty as role models to be va

[Paint Me Yellow 200]

No

[Jambomo 215]

6 minutes ago, Ray said:

Your choice Jambono, and there lies the rub I guess, it's all about freedom of choice. 

BTW, there is plenty of informed opinion (scientists, etc) which is not faceless or unnamed if you really want to research, which your heart surgeon may have done.

The BBC currently has an article stating a booster provides 85% protection against severe omicron, whooped, as far as I can see not having a booster also provides 85% protection from severe omicron, in fact the very same BBC state omicron is like a bad cold, go figure🤔🤔

Yes, the informed opinion is that of Scientists and medicine. As I said in my post, it is generally united on the need to be vaccinated thus, informed research would lead someone to understand being vaccinated is the best thing to do.

Omicron being such a new strain, and given that the boosters have only been rolled out a short while, I doubt whether they have enough data to say for sure either way yet. I will have to check, 85% might be a modelled estimate. I am not sure how you would reach the idea that not having a booster would give you 85% from Omicron, any booster is going to give at least some additional protection even if it’s not what they estimate, especially where you are having a different make than before.

Anyway I realised I didn’t answer the actual question on the thread, so I will before I go to sleep. No I don’t think footballers have a duty to be role models, but it’s easier to like, respect and cheers for them when they are. 

[Ray 111]

Jambono, OK, but you can also catch covid from a vaccinated person.

Personally I would prefer the message from the powers that be was more along the lines, eat healthily, take daily (decent) vitamin supplements and build your own immune system, and if necessary supply them foc such as they do with tests.

BTW, medical professionals have got it wrong in the past, now we can all say but we are so much more advanced now, which they probably said then but in hindsight admitted they were wrong. History does have a tendency to repeat itself😥

[Edinburgh exile 7]

Stop feeding the troll folks. I work in health policy and the enormous, vast majority of actual health professionals are as jabbed as can be and advocating everybody else does likewise. Doctors are scientists and follow scientific evidence and advice. People who post anonymously in football forums aren't the people we should listen to when deciding whether to do the right thing.

[Number9 272]

3 hours ago, Edinburgh exile said:

Stop feeding the troll folks. I work in health policy and the enormous, vast majority of actual health professionals are as jabbed as can be and advocating everybody else does likewise. Doctors are scientists and follow scientific evidence and advice. People who post anonymously in football forums aren't the people we should listen to when deciding whether to do the right thing.

I suspect those who actually work in hospitals noticed the reduction of people dying with covid after the vaccination program started rolling out more than the rest of us.

Yes, vaccinated people can still catch covid but they are less likely to do so and it's likely to not be life threatening unless you're already seriously ill.

That's nothing to do with politics, just historical facts.

 

 

[City 2nd 191]

15 hours ago, fredherring said:

Only if you're a facist. 

Not one footballer will die from covid. 

The vaccines don't stop spread. 

You're advocating the removal of body autonomy and personal freedom for a sniffle. 

Panic it appears is more easily spread than covid.

When someone ever asks you how the German people allowed, and participated, in **** germany, you can point to your suggestion of enforcing unwanted injections as an example of how people think. 

We hope!

Are you an anti Vaxer?

And what is ****Germany? 
 

So vaccines don’t stop spread - who has advocated they do? They do stop serious illness and hospitalization though, don’t they?
 

98% of Bundesliga German footballers are vaccinated!

your selfishness is personified! The sooner they make vaccination mandatory across the world the better. Maybe, just maybe, we will then see the back of this terrible disease.

[Norfolk Dan 308]

Just one of the many medical references. I am on the side of free choice, that is just me. With out it, we die. How on earth can you explain being a binner without free will ! 

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635/rr-80

 

 

[The Real Buh 3,480]

19 hours ago, Indy said:

Just reading over 25% aren’t getting jabbed, it sends a poor message to fans. Do you think clubs should make it mandatory to be vaccinated? 🤔

Difficult but given the influence of footballers and high profile sports personalities do they have the duty to get vaccinated, media is a key driver.

You should get vaccinated because we need a good baseline of immunity in the population but you can’t stop nature and jabbing people with no underlying conditions again and again and again is stupid. People are already sick to death of it all.

Its up to individuals

[Nora's Ghost 157]

Unfortunately the internet has given a voice to every nutjob who has access to a keyboard and a small number of conspiracy theorists can do a lot of damage.

 

Vaccination has to be a matter of choice for the individual....so has dying gasping for air based purely on misinformation.

[The Real Buh 3,480]

How about people that have had 2 jabs but are just tired with the fact that we now need a 3rd jab, which we were told was just for people with pre-existing conditions, but is now for everyone adult in the UK?

We now chucked in with the conspiracy nutters, yeah? Even though we played the game? Even though we aren’t anti-vaccination?

could you literally fall for propaganda any easier? basic as f@£k.

Its a complex issue but some people fail right into those 2 brackets again and again and again. Boring!

The first 2 jabs didn’t bother me and the 3rd doesn’t either but the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th … jabs for people with no pre-existing conditions does bother me.

Edited December 18, 2021 by The Real Buh

[Indy 3,314]

3 minutes ago, Nora's Ghost said:

Unfortunately the internet has given a voice to every nutjob who has access to a keyboard and a small number of conspiracy theorists can do a lot of damage.

 

Vaccination has to be a matter of choice for the individual....so has dying gasping for air based purely on misinformation.

Not to mention the hospital beds and resources not being used on other treatments which could save lives now focussing mainly on the unvaccinated! They effect others directly!

[Virtual reality 716]

No I don’t. Why should they be? 

[Norfolk Dan 308]

7 hours ago, Edinburgh exile said:

Stop feeding the troll folks. I work in health policy and the enormous, vast majority of actual health professionals are as jabbed as can be and advocating everybody else does likewise. Doctors are scientists and follow scientific evidence and advice. People who post anonymously in football forums aren't the people we should listen to when deciding whether to do the right thing.

First up @Edinburgh exile it looks like many on here you are a reader more than a poster, much like myself. With only 5 or so posts, I just looked back and you have not had the right initiation. So sir.. Binner.... 

That complete, you post leads me to a few questions from a anonymous poster In a football forum in myself to another anonymous poster In a football forum. 

To be clear I make no claims of being correct for anyone but myself as that is the only truth that I have to operate from. 

No trolls here. Fact. Just a bunch of old hard working guys and girl sharing views, that what us humans are supposed to do. With the mental capacity to be responsible for themselves. 

"You work in health policy." I do not understand what that means. Care to share your 7 year medcial degrees and you 5 year specialism on health policy? 

"Vast majority" great. Is that the same vast as the 1% of votes that took us out of Europe? Or the vast of my risk example of a discussion where you loose 25% of staff from the NHS? 

"People who post anonymously in football forums aren't the people we should listen to when deciding whether to do the right thing." 

That is 100% the problem. Doing the right thing is a soul decision on everything in life. It's never about who we should listen too. We have to listen to ourselves.  Example, try and change the football team you support... It's just not possible, that was a soul decision, it's just feels right. 

If we really are where the level of fear that is being spread is as real as your government wants you to be in, then just think how easy it would be to have enforced mandatory v for everything and everyone. Yet I can guarantee that not one person in the country has written to the MP demanding this and not will any MP try and take this forward. So you remain in a free country with free choice. But as of 1st April my choice is no longer free. So to keep myself free i walk away. As many other will. Stop forcing this agenda. Cause if you win, you are taking a very dangerous path. 

[wcorkcanary 4,337]

13 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

How about people that have had 2 jabs but are just tired with the fact that we now need a 3rd jab, which we were told was just for people with pre-existing conditions, but is now for everyone adult in the UK?

We now chucked in with the conspiracy nutters, yeah? Even though we played the game? Even though we aren’t anti-vaccination?

could you literally fall for propaganda any easier? basic as f@£k.

Its a complex issue but some people fail right into those 2 brackets again and again and again. Boring!

The first 2 jabs didn’t bother me and the 3rd doesn’t either but the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th … jabs for people with no pre-existing conditions does bother me.

Farke me Buho, are we the only people who don't think this is a black and white issue? .... with  lots of side agendas. Some clear, concise info would be nice, not opinions , or headlines  that carry caveats like ' could ' or ' may' . I am not an anti vaxxer,  I am an anti bull shoiter. Tread very carefully folks 

Cos if you tolerate  this, then your children  will be next. 

[The Real Buh 3,480]

1 minute ago, wcorkcanary said:

Farke me Buho, are we the only people who don't think this is a black and white issue? .... with  lots of side agendas. Some clear, concise info would be nice, not opinions , or headlines  that carry caveats like ' could ' or ' may' . I am not an anti vaxxer,  I am an anti bull shoiter. Tread very carefully folks 

Cos if you tolerate  this, then your children  will be next. 

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

[Norfolk Dan 308]

1 minute ago, wcorkcanary said:

Farke me Buho, are we the only people who don't think this is a black and white issue? .... with  lots of side agendas. Some clear, concise info would be nice, not opinions , or headlines  that carry caveats like ' could ' or ' may' . I am not an anti vaxxer,  I am an anti bull shoiter. Tread very carefully folks 

Cos if you tolerate  this, then your children  will be next. 

I will back this up. 

Law in the UK. You are free to choose. 

The rest is a moral freedom of choice and respect. I am dumbfounded by the lack of respect more than anything else. 

[wcorkcanary 4,337]

16 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

A bit harsh on those scared  stupid sheep Buho as we all deserve  liberty  and safety.... unless we've actually  done something very bad that warrants us losing  them.

It's up to the smarter ones to provide them for everyone,  though . ..... is that really what our governments  are doing for us right now?

[Fuzzar 1,703]

My sister in law is a consultant in virology and infectious disease at a major London hospital. 

She's worked in the field for forty years.

"I expect every one of Team xxxx to get their booster just as soon as they are eligible! Please don't delay! You really don't want to get covid (or long covid) or contribute to the tsunami of transmission!" 

Doubt this will help some of the headbangers on here, but if anybody is wavering, you're welcome...

[The Real Buh 3,480]

5 minutes ago, Fuzzar said:

My sister in law is a consultant in virology and infectious disease at a major London hospital. 

She's worked in the field for forty years.

"I expect every one of Team xxxx to get their booster just as soon as they are eligible! Please don't delay! You really don't want to get covid (or long covid) or contribute to the tsunami of transmission!" 

Doubt this will help some of the headbangers on here, but if anybody is wavering, you're welcome...

“I expect”

that language, have a day off.

Edited December 18, 2021 by The Real Buh

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Surely those working in ICU and Theatre must be pretty well protected not only for themselves but the patients. But I would also imagine they are likely to be jabbed seeing what they have witnessed.

[Monty13 2,247]

21 hours ago, fredherring said:

Only if you're a facist. 

Not one footballer will die from covid. 

The vaccines don't stop spread. 

You're advocating the removal of body autonomy and personal freedom for a sniffle. 

Panic it appears is more easily spread than covid.

When someone ever asks you how the German people allowed, and participated, in **** germany, you can point to your suggestion of enforcing unwanted injections as an example of how people think. 

They reduce it, people trying to claim otherwise are incorrect.

But then I’m not surprised when you are comparing vaccinations to **** Germany.

[TheGunnShow 5,991]

I think it's silly as all hell not to be vaccinated, (indeed I walked in for my booster shot this morning) but I'm not overly keen on force. But this "role model" stuff has me shaking my head. This may be the childfree side of me kicking right in here, or it may be a continuation of a fiercely iconoclastic/contrarian streak I've always had, but I'm going to pose a rather provocative question here:

If you are saying footballers are being role models, isn't this just lazy parenting?

I ask as if I want a hypothetical kid of mine to follow a footballer, it's for footballing skills, possibly dedication to training, maybe even sporting conduct under pressure. But I sure as bloody hell wouldn't expect them to be completely dapper chaps to my taste in all areas.

I think Floyd Mayweather Jr. is, as far as I can gauge from the persona he carries on screen, a complete bell-end. But his dedication to honing his boxing skills and craft, his obvious dedication to staying in peak condition even when not fighting, and ability to hang tough and pinch out wins are things I'd happily point a hypothetical kid of mine towards if (s)he wanted to box.

Asking sports people, often fairly tokenly schooled sorts as they chased their sporting dreams as youngsters, to be role models strikes me as being a classic case of setting them up for failure, with laziness at its core.

Edited December 18, 2021 by TheGunnShow

[Capt. Pants 4,276]

2 hours ago, Indy said:

Not to mention the hospital beds and resources not being used on other treatments which could save lives now focussing mainly on the unvaccinated! They effect others directly!

Agreed but it might be an overly simplistic view. If it really does hit the fan and NHS staff have to triage who lives who dies, natural instinct might well stray towards if the patient is vaccinated. It would with me.

I expect there will be many anti-vaxxers demand as their right, state help through Furlough or otherwise, in the event of the economy going to pot again.

 

[TheGunnShow 5,991]

As for the "vaccines don't stop spread" argument, Tim Krul doesn't stop every freakin' shot on his goal either and I'll bet not a single fan of ours would suggest we start our next match without a goalie.

[The Real Buh 3,480]

Just now, TheGunnShow said:

As for the "vaccines don't stop spread" argument, Tim Krul doesn't stop every freakin' shot on his goal either and I'll bet not a single fan of ours would suggest we start our next match without a goalie.

I’m sick of people using analogies for everything as well. It was cute when JVT used it in the press conferences but it’s just passé now.

”wEaRiNg A maSK iS LiKe gETtinG tO exTRa TimE aNd tHe REf HaS BloWN thE WhIst…”

give it a rest