Transfer Policy

[Doomcaster 10]

Just to bring back the biggest bug-bear I have with NCFC & Webber ...

Why leave the squad with 3 CB's of unknown fitness, & just 1 LB

Webber got this area of defence wrong last season & apologised to Farke 

It is 100% wrong again - why make the same mistake twice?

Fully understand we are doing very well within the Championship - as fully expected as we planned to be ok with relegation (as I expected as well - but free bat to Farke)

No 2nd LB is a failure once again - no cover for CB is a failure again by Webber

Farke may want to play 3 CB's to win matches = no chance with just 2 CB's available

Fully understand our DM is coving spaces left very well - but not acceptable 

LB & CB loaned out without replacements = bonkers

Poor transfer trading x 2 = very poor squad depth in defense

Hope we get through to Jan with the luck we are currently getting - then buy another CB & LB (or get a decent LB back from another bonkers loan to Coventry)

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[NeymarSmith 130]

I would agree that it seems weird that we do have the players available in terms of owning them ie. McCallum but loaned them. Clearly cov think he is good enough for this level so we can't use that as an excuse 

Then there is rocky bushri and famewo, unknown for this level so I can understand them going but no replacements in, especially with klose going is a worry. But then the argument is who can we get who fits our profile of cheap to be possibly fourth choice

[Well b back 3,208]

Seems to be going ok so far, 3rd in the league, 2nd with a win on Saturday and a defensive record the best we have had in years. Any club can be unfortunate with injuries ( Liverpool currently ), likewise any club can be lucky with injuries.

[Doomcaster 10]

Also - our two players that no one else wants to take on loan or on even buy on the cheap - that is a 100% waste of NCFC cash

Webbers mistake again - not to offload them during the off season

Have to say in Webbers defense - he done well within his first season 

[Doomcaster 10]

3 minutes ago, NeymarSmith said:

I would agree that it seems weird that we do have the players available in terms of owning them ie. McCallum but loaned them. Clearly cov think he is good enough for this level so we can't use that as an excuse 

Then there is rocky bushri and famewo, unknown for this level so I can understand them going but no replacements in, especially with klose going is a worry. But then the argument is who can we get who fits our profile of cheap to be possibly fourth choice

Just a duplicated mistake by Webber with another poor Transfer Policy

We loaned out too many defensive players without replacements in situ

Always agree - that we are doing good (but not great) within the Championship - but could have been better perhaps

[chicken 2,625]

3 minutes ago, Doomcaster said:

Also - our two players that no one else wants to take on loan or on even buy on the cheap - that is a 100% waste of NCFC cash

Webbers mistake again - not to offload them during the off season

Have to say in Webbers defense - he done well within his first season 

It isn't that easy to offload players that are contracted.

[Doomcaster 10]

4 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Seems to be going ok so far, 3rd in the league, 2nd with a win on Saturday and a defensive record the best we have had in years. Any club can be unfortunate with injuries ( Liverpool currently ), likewise any club can be lucky with injuries.

Fully agree - as Farke always said & often quoted  - the Premier League is a huge step up in quality for NCFC (in reverse the Championship is a huge step down)

We are doing good - but not great

Just the question asked  - why does Webber leaves Farke with just 3 (pretty injury prone) CB's & 1 LB again this season - Webber got it wrong last season, he must learn from his basic mistakes two seasons in a row  IMHO

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[Doomcaster 10]

5 minutes ago, chicken said:

It isn't that easy to offload players that are contracted.

Agreed - if they want to see out their contract on good money

[Gordon Bennett 783]

I’m really glad this subject has finally been raised on this message board, well done sir. 

[Doomcaster 10]

Dermic = useless from day 1 (waste of NCFC, every penny of the loan money & wages|

Leitner = sad to see him fall out of favour with Farke - looked a quality player within the Championship

Both players could leave NCFC no problem - but they are happy to take their huge wages, & sit |& do nothing (don't blame them to be honest)

If Webber offered me a huge salary for my limited football qualities (Norfolk Senior Squad)  - I would take the cash & enjoy an easy life

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[Don’t be Krul 399]

It may have been done to death elsewhere on this board, but some really valid points raised. I also don't understand, knowing full well Byram out till at least January, the wisdom of letting McCallum go on loan. They said that it was for his (and in the long run our) benefit to be playing week in, week out rather than sit on the bench. But from what I understand, he has been on the bench until only recently and is playing the right wing-back position when played

[Doomcaster 10]

6 minutes ago, Gordon Bennett said:

I’m really glad this subject has finally been raised on this message board, well done sir. 

No problem - it needs to be highlighted again & again, due to repeated failures with our Transfer Policy

Fully recognise the players are doing good, & a top 3 place is very welcome

Just saying clearly & openly - Farke should have been supported a lot better after the same failings last season

No problem with the team or Farke - just our repeated failure with transfers within Defense

4 (5) CB's & 2 RB's & 2 LB's - are just basics

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[Doomcaster 10]

14 minutes ago, Don’t be Krul said:

It may have been done to death elsewhere on this board, but some really valid points raised. I also don't understand, knowing full well Byram out till at least January, the wisdom of letting McCallum go on loan. They said that it was for his (and in the long run our) benefit to be playing week in, week out rather than sit on the bench. But from what I understand, he has been on the bench until only recently and is playing the right wing-back position when played

I rate Byram highly as a player - but his history is injury / injury / injury

McCallum was clearly not fancied by Farke atm - but is was stupidity to be left with just 1 LB within our squad

Klose - he wanted to go bless him - but why let him go until we had a replacement.  3 injury prone CB's is dicing with danger - for just a loan fee or appeasing Klose???

Hope Webber has at least 1 or 2 C/Bs lined up, & a L/B (as Bryram is never reliable but quality IMHO)

There is loads of cash with NCFC for this season - promotion should be available if Farke is well supported

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Edited November 5, 2020 by Doomcaster

[Hank shoots Skyler 2,094]

45 minutes ago, Doomcaster said:

Hope we get through to Jan with the luck we are currently getting 

What luck are we getting?

[Doomcaster 10]

Results - I assume you have watched all the matches so far ????????

Anyway - your post is well away from the topic Hank

[Doomcaster 10]

Back on track ...

3 injury prone C/B's & 1 L/B within the NCFC squad

This post is to highlight that Fasrke needs a lot better defensive support from Webber

Webber made the same mistake last season - to do it again is bonkers IMHO

[Doomcaster 10]

Now off to cook supper - have fun guys ...

[Nuff Said 5,141]

41 minutes ago, Don’t be Krul said:

It may have been done to death elsewhere on this board, but some really valid points raised. I also don't understand, knowing full well Byram out till at least January, the wisdom of letting McCallum go on loan. They said that it was for his (and in the long run our) benefit to be playing week in, week out rather than sit on the bench. But from what I understand, he has been on the bench until only recently and is playing the right wing-back position when played

Hang on, one minute we are being told Webber has cocked up loaning him to another Championship club which means he is good enough to play for us. Now he's not good enough for the Championship. 

 

If we're going to slag off the club for having a poor defence when we have conceded 8 goals in 10 games and are third in the table, can we at least get our arguments consistent?

[Don’t be Krul 399]

3 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

Hang on, one minute we are being told Webber has cocked up loaning him to another Championship club which means he is good enough to play for us. Now he's not good enough for the Championship. 

 

If we're going to slag off the club for having a poor defence when we have conceded 8 goals in 10 games and are third in the table, can we at least get our arguments consistent?

Where have I slagged the club off or said McCallum isn't good enough for the Championship? All I pointed out was that if he went to get game time and wasn't getting it, then he may as well have stayed and warmed the bench here

[Number9 272]

1 hour ago, Don’t be Krul said:

It may have been done to death elsewhere on this board, but some really valid points raised. I also don't understand, knowing full well Byram out till at least January, the wisdom of letting McCallum go on loan. They said that it was for his (and in the long run our) benefit to be playing week in, week out rather than sit on the bench. But from what I understand, he has been on the bench until only recently and is playing the right wing-back position when played

McCallum wasn't good enough. 

[Hank shoots Skyler 2,094]

2 hours ago, Doomcaster said:

Results - I assume you have watched all the matches so far ????????

Anyway - your post is well away from the topic Hank

Sorry - I don't really think our results have been that lucky at all. Do you just mean because of the nature of us scoring late goals? 

In most of those games we have been unfortunate not to be way in the lead before the late goals come!

[pete 319]

We have an option of of 4th CB, currently operating as a LB.  Sorenson rated by Denmark as a CB.  Famewo on loan at Charlton currently injured but integral in last 5 clean sheets can be back in 8 weeks.  Quintella will be back after internationals.

We are getting results our problem is not at the back it is putting them in at the other end.  Maybe this was Webbers plan and its working so far.  

[seanthecanary 168]

Player playing well at left back is unacceptable?  Would you rather have a specialist left playing there but doing worse?  Would that be acceptable?  The truth is, not many left backs in the world are playing the pass ours did to Pukki vs Bristol

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[astro 360]

The size of a squad doesn’t allow for perfect duplicity of places, combined with the ability to have enough substitutes of differing capabilities, that are different enough to change games. It’s a juggling act for all teams, and Webber was never going to satisfy all possible outcomes during a season, without a slice of luck in terms of injury. 

[Beefy is a legend 224]

It seems fairly clear that we believed that Gibson would provide adequate cover at left back to allow McCallum out and give him the regular game time that might make him more of a viable option upon his return. 

The Klose transfer seems to have come as something of a surprise but at the time he was 4th choice for centre half and it was a move to Basel that he always wanted to make, and given his service to the club he was treated with decency and allowed the move. 

It has left us temporarily light but we are 12 games away from the next window when it seems clear that we will be targeting the CB and LB positions. It seems likely given the two week break that we will have Quintilla back for most of those fixtures and we have three fit centre halves and Gibson/Hanley are forming a strong partnership. 8 goals conceded in 10 games is a big improvement and Gibson has hardly put a foot wrong. 

After those 12 games we can bring back Famewo and McCallum if necessary and so the situation is perhaps not as worrying as the OP has suggested, in my humble view...

[Trevor Hockey's Beard 527]

As we are digging over old ground again i will repeat my point that I'm sure we tried to get additional cover in, but also had in mind the long term cost - a decent loan signing would come with a clause about game time, and could we sign anyone decent who would be happy to just be cover?

The goal here is promotion and any cover signed is unlikely to be decent enough to play in the Prem, so will just be playing for the U23s and drawing a wage if we get promoted.

[seanthecanary 168]

24 minutes ago, Trevor Hockey's Beard said:

As we are digging over old ground again i will repeat my point that I'm sure we tried to get additional cover in, but also had in mind the long term cost - a decent loan signing would come with a clause about game time, and could we sign anyone decent who would be happy to just be cover?

The goal here is promotion and any cover signed is unlikely to be decent enough to play in the Prem, so will just be playing for the U23s and drawing a wage if we get promoted.

Exactly this. What sort of player would you get coming in that's prepared to be 4th choice in the champs. It would be a youngster or a player past his best, both of which would be criticised. 

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

46 minutes ago, Beefy is a legend said:

It seems fairly clear that we believed that Gibson would provide adequate cover at left back to allow McCallum out and give him the regular game time that might make him more of a viable option upon his return. 

The Klose transfer seems to have come as something of a surprise but at the time he was 4th choice for centre half and it was a move to Basel that he always wanted to make, and given his service to the club he was treated with decency and allowed the move. 

It has left us temporarily light but we are 12 games away from the next window when it seems clear that we will be targeting the CB and LB positions. It seems likely given the two week break that we will have Quintilla back for most of those fixtures and we have three fit centre halves and Gibson/Hanley are forming a strong partnership. 8 goals conceded in 10 games is a big improvement and Gibson has hardly put a foot wrong. 

After those 12 games we can bring back Famewo and McCallum if necessary and so the situation is perhaps not as worrying as the OP has suggested, in my humble view...

Ran out of likes, but that comment re. Klose was spot on. Allowed a popular player who'd done well for us but was struggling to recover from injury to make a homecoming. Not to mention that at a push, both Tettey and Sorensen can play centre-half, whilst Gibson (and indeed Aarons) can also help out at left-back. And if Aarons goes left, Mumba or Rupp play on the right.

I would agree we were a centre-half down in an ideal scenario and we probably got lucky that Sorensen hit the ground running like he did.

[Beefy is a legend 224]

Exactly and you suspect that the management team must have thought playing Mumba and then Aarons at left back was a better option than McCallum. Aarons isn't exactly going to let us down at left back, he's been playing left wing back during games for two seasons. 

Sorensen's physique and how he's performed in the last week suggest that he is a perfectly decent option as a 4th centre back. 

All in all, not too bad. 

The other thing to mention is that the entire rest of the squad is absolutely packed with quality and depth at this level .

[wcorkcanary 4,334]

Can I bring this debate to a conclusion , by stating that we are doing ok at the back, with options, completely the opposite of what that p1llock Dooomcaster was trying to state. Shoite  stirring.