Number9 272 Posted October 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Feedthewolf said: This could go round in circles forever. You carry on. Look at the League table before posting againĀ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,846 Posted October 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, Number9 said: Look at the League table before posting againĀ Do you think I don't know where we are in the league? Stop being ridiculous. We've played four bloody games.Ā Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Number9 272 Posted October 16, 2020 Just now, Feedthewolf said: Do you think I don't know where we are in the league? Stop being ridiculous. We've played four bloody games.Ā Ā Which have continued on in a similar style to last season.Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,846 Posted October 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Number9 said: Which have continued on in a similar style to last season.Ā This is a waste of both our Friday nights. I think we need a bit more time to allow the team to settle, you don't. Let's just leave it at that. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1902 1,167 Posted October 16, 2020 Urgh, I commented on another thread that both Farke and Webber can count and there must be a plan to bring in a youth player who they think is ready to step up. Unfortunately I was wrong, they have counted, they knew there was a problem and havent solved it. That much is clear from Farkes quotes. Im genuinely both surprised and frustrated by this tonight, first time I have really felt something the current management have done that has been completely inexcusable. Now I'm not saying we wont have a decent season and I hate the doom and gloom, plenty of sides go on a run after 4 games, but this does feel like a completely unforced error. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unique 435 Posted October 16, 2020 Iām sure we will be told in due course that they left no stone unturned, this last 24 hours, to bring in cover at centre back. 1) Able to head away opposition set-pieces -Ā not a requirement. 2) Able to put foot through ball - not a requirement. 3) A degree in zonal marking a strong requirement. 4) Able to keep possession of the ball between penalty area and centre circle providing no opposition player within 20 yards. 5) Able to make 5-yard sideways passes. 6) Able to pass back to the keeper ad finitum. Probably not many centre halves out there fitting the bill. Ā Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,676 Posted October 16, 2020 Well, Webber proved the same geniuses on here to be incomprehensibly wrong 2 seasons ago. Will he do it again? I do hope so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,676 Posted October 24, 2020 So, do we start campaigning for Webber out now...or do we wait for Zimmerman to be out for the season?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,609 Posted October 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, hogesar said: So, do we start campaigning for Webber out now...or do we wait for Zimmerman to be out for the season?! Eh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real Buh 3,444 Posted October 24, 2020 If we donāt get a centre back Iām going huff and puff and stomp my feetĀ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,145 Posted October 24, 2020 On 14/10/2020 at 17:48, corbs said: Hard to remember a time when we were last solid at the back. Donāt think Hanley has let us down but we do need to buy for the centre. At times itās been comical, riches in midfield and make shift centre backs ( a la Godfrey - who did good).Ā Godfrey is not a āmakeĀ shiftā centre back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,676 Posted October 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, king canary said: Eh? Well the OP said if we didnt sign a CB he wanted rid of Webber and Farke. I think that then changed to just Webber. I just wondered with Zimmerman not being fit for today whether he wanted us to start getting things ready forĀ Webber Out campaign now or if we only work this stuff in hindsight? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,301 Posted October 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, hogesar said: Well the OP said if we didnt sign a CB he wanted rid of Webber and Farke. I think that then changed to just Webber. I just wondered with Zimmerman not being fit for today whether he wanted us to start getting things ready forĀ Webber Out campaign now or if we only work this stuff in hindsight? I still donāt get this, we signed two, Sorensen been playing CB for the Danes u21. From all accounts is as good as holding midfielder or CB then thereās Gibson! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,609 Posted October 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Indy said: I still donāt get this, we signed two, Sorensen been playing CB for the Danes u21. From all accounts is as good as holding midfielder or CB then thereās Gibson! No, we signed one (Gibson) and a player who may potentially be able to do a job there but isn't his main position. Look at the announcement when he signed- described exclusively as a midfielder.Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,301 Posted October 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, king canary said: No, we signed one (Gibson) and a player who may potentially be able to do a job there but isn't his main position. Look at the announcement when he signed- described exclusively as a midfielder.Ā Iāve seen it King but doesnāt hide the fact heās played CB at a good level! Godfrey wasnāt a CB initially š Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,821 Posted October 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, hogesar said: Well the OP said if we didnt sign a CB he wanted rid of Webber and Farke. I think that then changed to just Webber. I just wondered with Zimmerman not being fit for today whether he wanted us to start getting things ready forĀ Webber Out campaign now or if we only work this stuff in hindsight? Maybe we should all wait until January before judging the decision to go with only three centre backs- and that goes for those on both sides of the argument. Ā 4 minutes ago, king canary said: No, we signed one (Gibson) and a player who may potentially be able to do a job there but isn't his main position. Look at the announcement when he signed- described exclusively as a midfielder.Ā Exactly, Sorensen said himself that he's a midfielder and Farke is grooming him as one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,821 Posted October 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Indy said: Iāve seen it King but doesnāt hide the fact heās played CB at a good level! Godfrey wasnāt a CB initially š As I said above, Sorensen and Farke don't see him as a centre back. Sorenson gave an interview to Michael Bailey a couple of weeks ago and said that he's initially more of an '8' alongside a more defensive midfielder but will probably be more of a '6' long term in the holding role.Ā If he ends up at centre back, it will not be the result of a plan: it will be because of desperation and poor planning by leaving us a centre-back short. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,609 Posted October 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Indy said: Iāve seen it King but doesnāt hide the fact heās played CB at a good level! Godfrey wasnāt a CB initially š A quick glance at the Denmark u21 team suggests he's generally on the bench to be honest- not a regular starter in that position. Checking out his profile on Transfermarkt suggests he's played central defence once in 2020, in an u21 friendly against Slovakia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,533 Posted October 24, 2020 Ā Just now, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said: As I said above, Sorensen and Farke don't see him as a centre back. Sorenson gave an interview to Michael Bailey a couple of weeks ago and said that he's initially more of an '8' alongside a more defensive midfielder but will probably be more of a '6' long term in the holding role.Ā If he ends up at centre back, it will not be the result of a plan: it will be because of desperation and poor planning by leaving us a centre-back short. The fact that Sorensen can play centre back if needed is a bonus. If you sign any player it is a good thing to think they can cover other areas as well, so it is a win win situation.Ā So it is not "desperation". There is an issue about having enough cbs because we could do with replacing Klose, but nothing to worry about in the short term. From Sorensen's point of view, if he was called upon to be CB for a while, then at least he would be getting some game time, because as things are at the moment, he might not get in the team in his favoured position for quite a while. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted October 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, Indy said: I still donāt get this, we signed two, Sorensen been playing CB for the Danes u21. From all accounts is as good as holding midfielder or CB then thereās Gibson! Well the person who bumped this post (not entirely sure why) was saying just a couple of days ago that Sorenson isn't a centre back and will be below Tettey in the pecking order.Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Foggo 1,116 Posted October 24, 2020 Sorensen is not a centre back ... Have to hope Hanley and Gibson don't pick up an injury or else we will lose points because of a lack of cover... Bit stupid really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,301 Posted October 24, 2020 1 minute ago, TeemuVanBasten said: Well the person who bumped this post (not entirely sure why) was saying just a couple of days ago that Sorenson isn't a centre back and will be below Tettey in the pecking order.Ā Fair enough, Iām only conveying we have a youngster who can cover the position with three CB here. Do we need another one when all are fit sitting on the bench? Then is Bushiriās loan till January with a recall option if needed? Iām not convinced we need another CB, Iām happy to have Tettey & Sorensen to coverĀ on the bench. Just my view. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted October 24, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said: Maybe we should all wait until January before judging the decision to go with only three centre backs- and that goes for those on both sides of the argument. You can't win on this forum though. If you wait until something causes a problem and then people say "we should have" or "if we'd" people throw out the oldĀ "oh that'sĀ OK to say in hindsight".Ā What I've done here is the opposite, which is clearly state the desperate need for a centre back before the transfer deadline. And yet, oddly, people still use the word hindsight: 38 minutes ago, hogesar said: Ā or if we only work this stuff in hindsight? Clearly if we end up using Tettey at centre back then its foresight isn't it?Ā Really not sure why Hogesar picked this particular battle, his argument was lost the moment Farke told the press publicly that he wanted us to sign a centre back. Edited October 24, 2020 by TeemuVanBasten Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Greenthumb 750 Posted October 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Kenny Foggo said: Sorensen is not a centre back ... Have to hope Hanley and Gibson don't pick up an injury or else we will lose points because of a lack of cover... Bit stupid really. Tettey is viewed as the cover. Heās not great, but heās not the worst. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,821 Posted October 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, lake district canary said: Ā The fact that Sorensen can play centre back if needed is a bonus. If you sign any player it is a good thing to think they can cover other areas as well, so it is a win win situation.Ā So it is not "desperation". I'm going to disagree. If you sign a player for a position and are then forced into using him in another position which isn't his best one, then it is arguably a 'lose-lose' situation. You're having to put a square peg into a round hole whilst depriving yourself of said player in his main one- a bit like Amadou and Tettey last season when they were in defence and we needed them in midfield. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted October 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Indy said: Fair enough, Iām only conveying we have a youngster who can cover the position with three CB here. Do we need another one when all are fit sitting on the bench? Then is Bushiriās loan till January with a recall option if needed? Iām not convinced we need another CB, Iām happy to have Tettey & Sorensen to coverĀ on the bench. Just my view. If we'd kept one of Famewo or Bushiri at the club then that would also have worked, but we didn't and this thread appeared after we'd loaned out Famewo but before the deadline closed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,301 Posted October 24, 2020 Just now, TeemuVanBasten said: If we'd kept one of Famewo or Bushiri at the club then that would also have worked, but we didn't and this thread appeared after we'd loaned out Famewo but before the deadline closed. Yes I never understood that, but then if theyāre getting game time then itās good for developing rather than sitting on our bench. Thatās why I asked about recall option, if they have this built in then no worries we can recall one of them should we need to. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,301 Posted October 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said: I'm going to disagree. If you sign a player for a position and are then forced into using him in another position which isn't his best one, then it is arguably a 'lose-lose' situation. You're having to put a square peg into a round hole whilst depriving yourself of said player in his main one- a bit like Amadou and Tettey last season when they were in defence and we needed them in midfield. I agree on game squad but cover on the bench to have a flexible player comfortable in two positions is OK. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted October 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Indy said: Yes I never understood that, but then if theyāre getting game time then itās good for developing rather than sitting on our bench. Thatās why I asked about recall option, if they have this built in then no worries we can recall one of them should we need to. There are 16 games between now and the point that we can recall a centre back (I know we can recall Famewo). That's one third of a season. I mean, if we were to end up with no centre backs at any point then that's long enough to completely wreck the season. We can't recall and add to our squad until 1st January.Ā Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,609 Posted October 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said: You can't win on this forum though. If you wait until something causes a problem and then people say "we should have" or "if we'd" people throw "oh that'sĀ OK to say in hindsight".Ā What I've done here is the opposite, which is clearly state the desperate need for a centre back before the transfer deadline. And yet, oddly, people still use the word hindsight: Clearly if we end up using Tettey at centre back then its foresight isn't it?Ā Really not sure why Hogesar picked this particular battle, his argument was lost the moment Farke told the press publicly that he wanted us to sign a centre back. I've made this point before. Say you're not sure about a new signing- 'writing him off before he's kicked a ball.' Say it a year later its hindsight. Be a bit negative about a performance after a win- 'we've won, why are you being negative?' Make those criticisms when results stop going well- 'well I didn't hear you saying this while we were winning!' 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites