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21 hours ago, Well b back said:

Brazil followed the Ivor Cummings model, remember him, and had we listened this would have been where the world would be now.

And let's not forget Sunentra Gupta and the Great Barrington bollox. According to her and her lock-down sceptic pals the virus was "on its way out" in May 2020. 

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8 hours ago, Surfer said:

In large part because one of the two major political parties and it’s media allies have been actively campaigning AGAINST vaccinations for months. The data is already showing a higher infection rate for the Delta variant in States having the misfortune to be run by that party… 

Indeed

Didn’t go down that route, but as I understand it not many Republicans have been vaccinated.
Is there anyway that can be changed ? Over here during the next few days we will be doing things like allowing travel for double vaccinated, relaxing isolation for double jabbed and suddenly reducing the secret long COVID figures to ‘ encourage ‘ younger citizens to get jabbed.

Maybe when Delta hits, Republicans will be queueing up for the jab, at least you have huge reserves that can be used ala China immediately, which I assume to be not exported at the moment in case of this eventuality.

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@yellowfever

As predicted I see there is a press conference today at 11 am to discuss those long COVID figures that have been kept secret over the last year. With pushing out the likelihood of double vaccinated being able to travel abroad, isolation rules changing and entry to music festivals all just aimed at getting the reluctant younger groups vaccinated. At least we will finally find out how bad those long COVID figures are.

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We should be on the cabinet. I see today the government are making out they are being pushed on when booster jabs will start. How coincidental as well that the guy with the beard specifically says can we mix those that have had an AZ by giving them a Pfizer jab. 
To repeat my prediction you guys and girls with AZ will be boosted with Pfizer. 
I do hope this means as soon as our required 2nd dose AZ have been delivered into arms we will finally start exporting to countries desperately in need.

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28 minutes ago, Well b back said:

@Van wink

We should be on the cabinet. I see today the government are making out they are being pushed on when booster jabs will start. How coincidental as well that the guy with the beard specifically says can we mix those that have had an AZ by giving them a Pfizer jab. 
To repeat my prediction you guys and girls with AZ will be boosted with Pfizer. 
I do hope this means as soon as our required 2nd dose AZ have been delivered into arms we will finally start exporting to countries desperately in need.

Yes, I noted that too. 

Perhaps being read into too much but a possible implication us that we are dumping AZ. 

AZ is known to have rare complications but as far as we know these are vanishingly rare in people who did not react adversely to a first dose.  So why dump AZ in those circumstances? Not because of efficacy i would have thought as its about the same (and may prove to be better in the long  run).  Perhaps then because AZ /Oxford are not looking to reformulate? 

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1 hour ago, Barbe bleu said:

Yes, I noted that too. 

Perhaps being read into too much but a possible implication us that we are dumping AZ. 

AZ is known to have rare complications but as far as we know these are vanishingly rare in people who did not react adversely to a first dose.  So why dump AZ in those circumstances? Not because of efficacy i would have thought as its about the same (and may prove to be better in the long  run).  Perhaps then because AZ /Oxford are not looking to reformulate? 

For anyone that follows my postings you will know I how I love Sarah Gilbert and Andrew Pollard who spent the last year and a half developing a vaccine ‘ to benefit the world ‘. Their vaccine was never meant to vaccinate under 50’s in rich nations until over 50’s across the world were vaccinated. The huge amounts of Oxford that should have been manufactured around the world for Covax ect have never materialised with a lot of the Western world in particular the US, India and the U.K. keeping what they manufactured for themselves. The US in particular have the ability to manufacture tens of millions of doses, but those they do have were simply left to rot, although since the G7 meetings this does seem to be changing with 2.5 million doses sent to Thailand as a for instance. India were to be the biggest manufactures but they decided given their circumstances no AZ vaccine was leaving India. China and Russia of course have their own vaccines and after giving plenty away for political gain are now giving compulsory vaccines to their own populations, China have so far given in excess of 1 billion doses to their citizens and nobody knows the Russian numbers as they keep these secret.

In the meantime the mRna vaccines mainly Pfizer and Moderna together with the Johnson and Johnson one dose have become the Western worlds vaccines of choice. With regards efficacy Pfizer in Israel has all reduced COVID dramatically even though their take up rate only reached 60% even though they are now fully open they only record about 25 cases per day and deaths are very rare. We have just bought 60 million doses of Pfizer and the EU have done a deal to manufacture and purchase 1.8 billion doses of Pfizer. The US can make endless amounts of Pfizer and Moderna that dwarf the EU figures, and have no intention ( as things stand ) of ever regulating other vaccines. I will be controversial and even go as far as saying that when rates are quoted the results of the AZ and Pfizer are being combined rather than quoted separately. This applies to the catching of COVID rather than hospitalised and deaths.

It is my understanding that 1.2 billon extra doses could have been made and distributed worldwide by now, but we can’t turn back the clock. The western world seems to have made its choice but has the ability to manufacture 10’s of millions of the Oxford vaccine each month. Why don’t we now ( the western world ) start giving back the dream of Sarah Gilbert and Andrew Pollard and get those vaccines manufactured and exported around the world. Let’s hope personal, political or financial gain do not stop us. We must also be aware that China are not far away from vaccinating all their citizens, once they have done that they will have no hesitation in providing vaccines that the western world does not.

 

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BBC reporting that health experts reckon flu immunity has decreased due to lockdowns and flu could be more of a problem than covid this winter.

I expect some on here will be using that as an argument to lock down forever!  Perhaps now hospitalisations and deaths continue to plateau, and we’re starting to find out about the extent of other negative effects of lockdowns, some will get their perspective back a bit.

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I see Gilmour tested positive for Scotland.

Just how the *** did he catch it ?

I can only assume somebody hasn't been very careful  or isolating professionally enough in the Euros. Who else will test positive?

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Posted (edited)

Vax

163,750 first dose

109,408 second dose

lack of doses or lack of urgency?????

Hospital patients not updated yet.

Edited by ricardo

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3 hours ago, Well b back said:

For anyone that follows my postings you will know I how I love Sarah Gilbert and Andrew Pollard who spent the last year and a half developing a vaccine ‘ to benefit the world ‘. Their vaccine was never meant to vaccinate under 50’s in rich nations until over 50’s across the world were vaccinated. The huge amounts of Oxford that should have been manufactured around the world for Covax ect have never materialised with a lot of the Western world in particular the US, India and the U.K. keeping what they manufactured for themselves. The US in particular have the ability to manufacture tens of millions of doses, but those they do have were simply left to rot, although since the G7 meetings this does seem to be changing with 2.5 million doses sent to Thailand as a for instance. India were to be the biggest manufactures but they decided given their circumstances no AZ vaccine was leaving India. China and Russia of course have their own vaccines and after giving plenty away for political gain are now giving compulsory vaccines to their own populations, China have so far given in excess of 1 billion doses to their citizens and nobody knows the Russian numbers as they keep these secret.

In the meantime the mRna vaccines mainly Pfizer and Moderna together with the Johnson and Johnson one dose have become the Western worlds vaccines of choice. With regards efficacy Pfizer in Israel has all reduced COVID dramatically even though their take up rate only reached 60% even though they are now fully open they only record about 25 cases per day and deaths are very rare. We have just bought 60 million doses of Pfizer and the EU have done a deal to manufacture and purchase 1.8 billion doses of Pfizer. The US can make endless amounts of Pfizer and Moderna that dwarf the EU figures, and have no intention ( as things stand ) of ever regulating other vaccines. I will be controversial and even go as far as saying that when rates are quoted the results of the AZ and Pfizer are being combined rather than quoted separately. This applies to the catching of COVID rather than hospitalised and deaths.

It is my understanding that 1.2 billon extra doses could have been made and distributed worldwide by now, but we can’t turn back the clock. The western world seems to have made its choice but has the ability to manufacture 10’s of millions of the Oxford vaccine each month. Why don’t we now ( the western world ) start giving back the dream of Sarah Gilbert and Andrew Pollard and get those vaccines manufactured and exported around the world. Let’s hope personal, political or financial gain do not stop us. We must also be aware that China are not far away from vaccinating all their citizens, once they have done that they will have no hesitation in providing vaccines that the western world does not.

 

Great post, and every point spot on IMO.

Oxford did a fantastic job in developing the vaccine and as you also point out had tremendously philanthropic aspirations to help the whole world through this horrible pandemic, so its a great shame that the vaccine hasn't been used in the way that they envisaged and that their aspirations to 'benefit the world' have been largely thwarted by the UK and other western goverments and of course by AstroZeneca themselves - partnering with AZ was rather surprising at the time and has proven to be a poor choice although that is assuming they had a choice - perhaps there wasn't a choice and AZ were the only option on the table to produce 'at cost' - although I was reading something recently that was saying that the 'at cost' promise is not quite what we were led to believe at the time.

Anyway let's hope the west does finally get its act together and starts doing the right thing, even at this very late stage. But, of course, you are also spot on about China and Russia. I don't think that the west (other than perhaps Biden) have even thought about, never mind woken up to the scale, of the political capital and influence all around the globe that they have lost to China and Russia because of the west's selfishness whilst China and Russia have been very astutely demonstrating their friendship & 'benelovence' - cynical it may be but has unquestionably been very successful and will be extremely difficult for the west to unwind.

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Just now, ricardo said:

Vax

163,750 first dose

109,408 second dose

lack of doses or lack of urgency?????

.....or lack of people opting to take up the offer??

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1 minute ago, Creative Midfielder said:

.....or lack of people opting to take up the offer??

very possible.

there are quite a few anti vaxers about unfortunately.

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1 minute ago, ricardo said:

very possible.

there are quite a few anti vaxers about unfortunately.

There are also a lot of under 30’s, hence the governments u turns at present regards people double vaccinated to get a higher uptake and suddenly admitting to over a million cases of long COVID.

There should be no shortage of Pfizer ( and Moderna ) as the manufacturing nations ( US and EU ) are making and putting into reserve huge quantities. 
It is now far more vital to have huge reserves for the autumn when nobody knows wether the efficiency of the vaccines will be as strong in those that had their vaccines in January, February and March. From what I have read our recently purchased 60 million doses of Pfizer should arrive in September or October.

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16 minutes ago, ricardo said:

very possible.

there are quite a few anti vaxers about unfortunately.

Yes it’s certainly the case in the younger age groups Ricardo, I bet their uptake would soar if they were threatened to restrict travel, nights out etc. Without double vaccinations!

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Just now, Indy said:

Yes it’s certainly the case in the younger age groups Ricardo, I bet their uptake would soar if they were threatened to restrict travel, nights out etc. Without double vaccinations!

We already have, that is the only reason the government are currently backtracking on travel, isolation and music festivals where a double vaccination is required. Wait till they break the news that after 19/7 there will still be mask wearing and 1 meter distancing in confined indoor areas.

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3 minutes ago, Well b back said:

We already have, that is the only reason the government are currently backtracking on travel, isolation and music festivals where a double vaccination is required. Wait till they break the news that after 19/7 there will still be mask wearing and 1 meter distancing in confined indoor areas.

Indeed, there’s likely to be some form of restrictions in place by October through to February due to Flu concerns…..as Aggy said, too many people have become accustomed to as many restrictions as possible at the detriment of other factors. We need to get a grasp that we will live with this and there’s going to be a risk in the future as not everyone will want to be vaccinated.

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Posted (edited)

I don’t think there’s much more hesitancy in younger age groups than the middle aged groups. Of course fewer have been vaccinated as they’ve only been able to get vaccinated for a very short period of time. There’s also a lack of slots available so the uptake might appear slow. A friend of mine in Stockport, 30, had to wait four weeks or go to Huddersfield (almost an hour away, despite living within a 7 minute train journey of the second largest city in the country).

Where there might be some concern is over the AZ blood clots. As said on here previously, if you’re under 30, especially if you’re female, the likelihood of dying from blood clots from the AZ vaccine is not much different to the risk of dying from covid. I waited an extra week for a Pfizer jab.

Restrictions on entrance without jabs etc won’t work medium / long term and people won’t stand for it. If we’re already saying flu is likely to be more of a problem this year than covid, where’s the justification for banning people without covid jabs from doing things if we aren’t also going to ban old people without flu jabs? Then where do you end - any infectious disease could add to pressure on hospitals.

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Just found out that my 2nd AZ, that I thought would be end of July, was actually scheduled for this week 

But it is getting delayed until next week, when I am on holiday. I'll be nearly as far from home as is possible to be on Iceland when the AZ is being done 

And that might be the last AZ we have. I will try to get a local jab, or ask if I can get a different vaccine. Failing that, I might need to fly home for a day 

🤔

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2 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

Just found out that my 2nd AZ, that I thought would be end of July, was actually scheduled for this week 

But it is getting delayed until next week, when I am on holiday. I'll be nearly as far from home as is possible to be on Iceland when the AZ is being done 

And that might be the last AZ we have. I will try to get a local jab, or ask if I can get a different vaccine. Failing that, I might need to fly home for a day 

🤔

Don't stand too close to that volcano😉👍

 

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43 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Don't stand too close to that volcano😉👍

 

I don't think anyone can get too close at the moment,  the lava has already cut off one walking path and is headed for the south coast road!

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Posted (edited)

National

11625 - 27

Tuesday is usually the big day of the week.

Vax numbers unavailable

Hospital Patients         1378

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Don't know whats up but can't seem to post screenshots anymore.

 

 

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No update to England vaccinations. Following an IT issue reported to the NHS on 21 June, it has not been possible to update vaccination figures for England. UK totals only include updates from Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. More

Last updated on Tuesday 22 June 2021 at 4:00pm

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15 minutes ago, ricardo said:

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With most doses in the U.K. now being Pfizer we should be ok for 19/7. 
I still think you guys in the Oxford club will be given a dose of Pfizer as soon as our new order begins to arrive.

I can also confirm there will be boosters now as the major venues up here have been sending emails today cancelling private functions as ‘ they will be vaccinating well into the new year ‘. Their words not mine.

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43 minutes ago, Well b back said:

With most doses in the U.K. now being Pfizer we should be ok for 19/7. 
I still think you guys in the Oxford club will be given a dose of Pfizer as soon as our new order begins to arrive.

I can also confirm there will be boosters now as the major venues up here have been sending emails today cancelling private functions as ‘ they will be vaccinating well into the new year ‘. Their words not mine.

Thanks, that’s good news I’d say.

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2 hours ago, ricardo said:

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This makes no sense.  Where is it from?

The hazard ratio for 2 doses is higher in Pfizer than for 1, the figures should be the other way around or we should stop at one dose surely?

If this is a pucker source I suspect the confidence intervals tell quite a lot.  The one for for Pfizer delta 2 jabs is somewhere  between 'it gives an amazing response and you are better off going without any jab than having 2 of these'.

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3 hours ago, ricardo said:

National

11625 - 27

Tuesday is usually the big day of the week.

Vax numbers unavailable

Hospital Patients         1378

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

Don't know whats up but can't seem to post screenshots anymore.

 

 

Pretty steep plateau Ricardo.

Just more painters getting nearer corners at the moment.

What if the cases are higher on say 15 July than they were last week?

Where do we go?

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1 hour ago, Barbe bleu said:

This makes no sense.  Where is it from?

The hazard ratio for 2 doses is higher in Pfizer than for 1, the figures should be the other way around or we should stop at one dose surely?

If this is a pucker source I suspect the confidence intervals tell quite a lot.  The one for for Pfizer delta 2 jabs is somewhere  between 'it gives an amazing response and you are better off going without any jab than having 2 of these'.

https://khub.net/documents/135939561/479607266/Effectiveness+of+COVID-19+vaccines+against+hospital+admission+with+the+Delta+(B.1.617.2)+variant.pdf/1c213463-3997-ed16-2a6f-14e5deb0b997?version=1.4&t=1623689315431&download=true

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