The Positive Brexit Thread

[horsefly 4,300]

1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

DUFF POINTS 

Explain why you claim they are "DUFF POINTS". You can't can you, because they are all detailed refutations of everything Dyson said. But let's face it, you were never going to respond to the points I made because it is virtually impossible for someone like you, who consistently displays less intellectual capacity than a baboon on LSD, to put together a coherent sentence let alone a consistent argument. Perhaps after all you should just confine yourself to posting ridiculous links the rest of us can laugh at and destroy.

[horsefly 4,300]

2 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

Dyson announces 200 new jobs at Wiltshire Campus | The Wiltshire Gazette and Herald

Once you've removed your tongue from Dyson's posterior perhaps you would like to reflect upon the following article from one of your favourite rags, The Daily Mail. It proves that Dyson has a proven history for lying and deception:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6711805/James-Dyson-moved-100-jobs-UK-head-HQ-transfer.html

 

James Dyson 'moved 100 jobs out of the UK months before he said HQ move to Singapore would mean just two employees would have to go abroad'

• Dyson transferred 100 'back room' jobs from the UK to India during a restructure
• The firm is also planning to move its headquarters and tax base to Singapore
• The company's founder James Dyson was a strong proponent of Brexit 
• He claims the move to Singapore is not about Brexit or paying less tax  

British high-tech firm Dyson has moved 100 back office jobs to India and the Czech Republic in advance of the firm's decision to move its headquarters to Singapore. 

The company, owned by Brexit-supporting businessman James Dyson, announced last month that he was pulling the company's headquarters out of Britain ahead of the country's departure from the European Union. 

The decision to transfer the firm's headquarters to Singapore means it will no longer be a British registered company and the low-tax city state will become its tax base. 

Your ignorant adulation of this shyster and traitor to the UK says much about your lack of grasp of any of the realites of brexit.

[Canary Wundaboy 1,359]

4 hours ago, horsefly said:

1. "we can employ people from all around the world". We ALWAYS had that opportunity. Sadly a lot of the talent from Europe and elsewhere is abandoning the UK as a result of brexit (I suggest you check with all the universities to see what they think about this).

That would be the universities that have been allowed to charge massive fees to overseas students which have funded massive increases in Chancellor salaries etc over the past couple of decades and have constantly whinged about not being able to hike UK student fees even further?

I wonder what agenda they could possibly have in wanting more overseas students?

[horsefly 4,300]

1 minute ago, Canary Wundaboy said:

That would be the universities that have been allowed to charge massive fees to overseas students which have funded massive increases in Chancellor salaries etc over the past couple of decades and have constantly whinged about not being able to hike UK student fees even further?

I wonder what agenda they could possibly have in wanting more overseas students?

My point was clearly related to the employment of foreign members of staff with the appropriate expertise and skills required for research. Nothing at all to do with the recruitment of students.

[Haus 259]

3 hours ago, horsefly said:

So as usual, no answer at all to the points I made.

Swindo cant read that many words

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

4 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

Dyson is a great British company 

Dyson is a liar.

Many of his moulding machines are here in a plastic moulding factory Keter here in Redruth.

Some of the original guys who operated those machines came with them and said that he hid behind planning obstacles but his intention was to move from very wealthy engineer to super rich engineer by moving production away from the UK.

His assertion that he is a simple engineer trying to provide quality products is not worth the bullsiht that accompanies it.

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

12 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Dyson is a liar.

Perhaps not on the Johnsonian scale but if Swindo took the trouble, which I'm sure he won't, to look back over Dyson's statements and annoucements from the last few years and tot up how many of them turned out to be truthful then he would have to reach the same conclusion as you.

And as for this latest one which as @horsefly has already pointed out was a mixture of absolute tripe and downright falsehoods only someone as credulous (or dim) as Swindo would accept any of it at face value.

[Herman 9,767]

Just another wealthy man that persuaded the masses to vote against their best interests. And then run off when he won. Parasite. 

[Herman 9,767]

Moe Szyslak syndrome.🤣

 

[horsefly 4,300]

39 minutes ago, Herman said:

Moe Szyslak syndrome.🤣

 

The sad old gammon is so desperate to get his hands on people's cash he doesn't even stop to think what he's saying. I've heard he charges about £75 for birthday greetings (no discounts for "fans" however).

Edited April 14, 2021 by horsefly

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

2 minutes ago, horsefly said:

The sad old gammon is so desperate to get his hands on people's cash he doesn't even stop to think what he's saying. I've heard he charges about £75 for birthday greetings.

I've seen one of the birthday greetings and it affirms my belief that the lying chancer is the **** of Westminster.

[horsefly 4,300]

1 minute ago, keelansgrandad said:

I've seen one of the birthday greetings and it affirms my belief that the lying chancer is the **** of Westminster.

Expect a bithday greetings enterprise from David Cameron soon. He's got to make up a £60m shortfall after his failed efforts to defraud the UK tax-payer.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

41 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Expect a bithday greetings enterprise from David Cameron soon. He's got to make up a £60m shortfall after his failed efforts to defraud the UK tax-payer.

His greetings will be accompanied by a male asset stripper performing for you.

[SwindonCanary 455]

[SwindonCanary 455]

6 hours ago, horsefly said:

Explain why you claim they are "DUFF POINTS". You can't can you, because they are all detailed refutations of everything Dyson said. But let's face it, you were never going to respond to the points I made because it is virtually impossible for someone like you, who consistently displays less intellectual capacity than a baboon on LSD, to put together a coherent sentence let alone a consistent argument. Perhaps after all you should just confine yourself to posting ridiculous links the rest of us can laugh at and destroy.

 

10 hours ago, horsefly said:

 

1. "we can employ people from all around the world". Cheaper employment

2. ""I can't make things here and bring over all the components from the Far East here, assemble them here and then send them back to the Far East. That just doesn't work." "we can make trade agreements with other countries outside Europe" (Note we already had these deals with non-EU countries while a member of the EU and have simply rolled over those deals).        With the EU saying it was okay 

3. "Sir James said the end of the UK's transition period with the EU, had enabled Dyson to hire the engineering talent it was lacking in the UK. We have 60 different nationalities on this site. I employ them from all over the world". Get the words THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD (A very big place)

4. "He said that the invention of the vaccine showed that the UK had "an independence of spirit" that was now able to shine through. "That couldn't be better demonstrated than in the development of the [Oxford-AstraZeneca] vaccine," he said. "We weren't part of the European development of the vaccine. We had to develop our own... a world record-beating vaccine produced in record time, and that's because we produced it." BORIS has shown his way was the right way 

5. "It would be arrogant to think that we could design and develop products for Asia and Britain," he said. "We can develop technology, but understanding what Asians want and what works in the market - we have to be there, we have to be immersed in it." Yet again an utterly stupid comment that is in total contradiction to his claims that the UK is now free to trade with other non-EU countries. Basically his point is that we can trade with non-EU countries HE LEFT BEFORE WE LEFT THE EU !

 

[horsefly 4,300]

2 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

 

 

What an utter twa*t you are!. I said answer the points I made not mashup your own retarded version. Christ Almighty can't you do anything right.

[SwindonCanary 455]

AS I WROTE 'DUFF PIONTS '

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,187]

45 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

AS I WROTE 'DUFF PIONTS '

Duff beer 

🍺

Edited April 14, 2021 by How I Wrote Elastic Man

[Well b back 3,208]

It seems you were telling porkies about the EU not being able to manufacture vaccines as they are in negotiations to manufacture 1.8 billion doses of Pfizer during 2022. In addition Pfizer have confirmed the EU will receive 50 million more doses of Pfizer ( hopefully not ours ) in quarter 2 ( now ) in addition to the 200 million quarter 2 doses that are currently being delivered. Therefore in quarter 2 they will receive 250 million doses of Pfizer alone.

Would love to know why Swindon misled us all.

[Well b back 3,208]

European Commission President Urusula Von der Leyen Wednesday announced the European Union has reached a deal with pharmaceutical partners Pfizer-BioNTech for 50 million additional doses of COVID-19 vaccine, to be delivered in the coming months.

At a news briefing in Brussels, Von der Leyen said the new deal means the EU will have obtained 250 million doses. She said the bloc is negotiating a third contract with the partners for 1.8 billion doses to be delivered in 2022 and 2023.  

She said the deal will “not only include the production of vaccines, but also the essential components. All of that will be based in the European Union."

[SwindonCanary 455]

About 6 months too late !

[Well b back 3,208]

1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

About 6 months too late !

Firstly we only have had vaccines for 3 and a bit months. Secondly would you like to explain why you misled people on here saying the EU had not invested in manufacturing capacity ?. 
 

[Well b back 3,208]

1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

About 6 months too late !

You said they don’t have any manufacturing power, please explain ? This is next years Pfizer that is being made to deal with variants ie the next generation of the virus and vaccine. Although plenty enough for the U.K. the U.K. invested in enough manufacturing to manufacture approx 104 million a year of AZ.
 

Commission President Ursula von de Leyen also said the EU was discussing a new deal with Pfizer-BioNTech to deliver 1.8 billion doses in 2022 and 2023 which would all be produced within the EU.

[Fen Canary 824]

This thread really is arguing for the sake of arguing it appears to me. A few hundred jobs lost here, a few hundred jobs gained there, trade down with some, increased with others etc. Did the Leave vote overplay the economic benefits of leaving? Of course they did. Did the Remain vote overstate the supposed economic catastrophe that awaited us in the event of leaving? Again yes.

Realistically it’s going to take at least 5 years, and more realistically 10 to see what the long term effects are of leaving the bloc. Once the effects of the pandemic are in the rear view mirror, and everybody has been through a couple of election cycles we can compare the economic, political and monetary situations of the UK and EU and get a better idea of what’s occurred. My guess is that they will both be largely similar and both sides will still be having the same arguments as it won’t be conclusive either way.

[horsefly 4,300]

4 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

AS I WROTE 'DUFF PIONTS '

Just five pointless words yet you still couldn't manage to spell them all correctly. Now go back, quote my points in full, and explain why you claim I have not demonstrated that Dyson is lying. Believe it or not thicko "Duff points" doesn't constitute an argument.

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

20 hours ago, horsefly said:

Oh dear! Your usual incompetent and intellectually deficient post. Opinion polls do precisely what they say, they record OPINIONS not facts. Here is an example of a factual report:

https://www.ft.com/content/e2a57b06-d255-48f7-95ae-b1aee4b51ac7

The owner of the organic teas specialist Hampstead Teas has already made her first big decision in the wake of the biggest upheaval in trading relations between the UK and the rest of Europe in nearly five decades. “We’re setting up shop in the EU,” says Kiran Tawadey, who founded her company 25 years ago after bringing five chests of high-grade Darjeeling tea from her native India and selling the contents in 250g packets to local shops and cafés. She now sells 100,000 kilos a year. Tawadey, who currently employs nine workers blending, packing and shipping her teas out of a plant in Milton Keynes, said the decision to shift distribution to the EU had been taken after a “simply awful” 10 weeks battling EU customs formalities. “It has taken eight weeks to clear a single consignment of teas into Italy, which is completely unacceptable, and we’re now waiting to hear what the storage charges will be. It is time to move to Europe,” she said, adding the company was in the process of negotiating a lease in a distribution centre in a northern EU country. Email correspondence documenting Tawadey’s efforts to get her goods released from customs demonstrates the mind-numbing complexity of complying with labelling and packing requirements for a product like organic teas.

Each tea requires certificates of analysis, photographs of the product with the outer case, specific stickers containing details of the Italian importer, each for nine pallets of goods — or around 12,000 individual units. Hampstead Tea’s packaging and raw materials, such as chamomile, also mostly come from the EU and prices are rising with the additional bureaucracy, adding further impetus to the decision to shift operations across the Channel. “We are waiting on our company incorporation in the EU and then will move stock into a warehouse there,” she explained. Tawadey said she made the decision to set up a distribution hub in the EU reluctantly but it was the only way reliably to service clients that include big clients such as French supermarket chain Monoprix, Italian grocery giant Esselunga and German-organic health food retailer Alnatura. “We’ve had such unbearable conversations with customers that we really love and cherish, and we can’t continue the negativity in this way,” she said. Distributing from an EU hub will enable Tawadey to first shipping to her EU entity from the UK, thereby absorbing any delays, and then delivering onwards to customers in the EU reliably and without the added complications of facing multiple VAT regimes.  “People in the EU expect to pay for goods and then for them to pitch up. If they have to get on to a customs agent and then push the goods into a warehouse, and that takes an extra half day that causes a package to miss a delivery slot then customers are screaming,” she explained. Where distributing from the EU ultimately leads for the future shape of Hampstead Tea is still to fully play out. But Tawadey says the first decision has been forced on her. “I have no choice really, but it still makes me both sad and cross,” she said.

The report also contains accounts from a haulier and an aerospace parts manufacturer detailing problems brexit is causing that never existed before its introduction. REAL accounts from REAL businesses showing that brexit is causing REAL problems. The internet is flooded with thousands of stories containing exactly the same complaints. The fact that you found one opinion poll showing a favourable public opinion on Brexit (I can find you plenty that don't), is entirely irrelevant to the realities faced by businesses.

Only a buffoon of mind-numbing proportions could be so stupid as to declare that the "Brexit debate is over". We haven't even seen the implementation of the full regulations yet, and thus neither the full horrific consequences of brexit. This debate is far from over as anyone with even the slightest grasp of the realities would be well aware.

What does the public now think of Brexit

In a poll taken for the fanatically pro-Remain Bloomberg

62% of people believe that leaving the EU helped the UK roll out vaccines more quickly than it could have done as a member.

67% believe the EU has been ‘hostile’ to the UK during the row over vaccine supply. 

54% of people would vote to stay out in a rerun of the referendum

 

 

These are facts, sunny boy.

[Terminally Yellow 2,448]

1 hour ago, Rock The Boat said:

What does the public now think of Brexit

In a poll taken for the fanatically pro-Remain Bloomberg

62% of people believe that leaving the EU helped the UK roll out vaccines more quickly than it could have done as a member.

67% believe the EU has been ‘hostile’ to the UK during the row over vaccine supply. 

54% of people would vote to stay out in a rerun of the referendum

 

 

These are facts, sunny boy.

A poll of 2002 people. Wow, that's an incredible sample size, isn't it, "sunny boy". 🙄

EDIT: I've just looked up what percentage that is of the overall UK population. 0.00300375%. This poll is as worthless as Rock the Boat's contributions on this forum. 

Edited April 15, 2021 by Terminally Yellow

[Herman 9,767]

1 hour ago, Terminally Yellow said:

A poll of 2002 people. Wow, that's an incredible sample size, isn't it, "sunny boy". 🙄

EDIT: I've just looked up what percentage that is of the overall UK population. 0.00300375%. This poll is as worthless as Rock the Boat's contributions on this forum. 

Don't tell him that Bloomberg is an American media corp. So rather than being "fanatically Remain" it is more likely neutral but highlights how ridiculous brexit actually is.

[Herman 9,767]

5 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

This thread really is arguing for the sake of arguing it appears to me. A few hundred jobs lost here, a few hundred jobs gained there, trade down with some, increased with others etc. Did the Leave vote overplay the economic benefits of leaving? Of course they did. Did the Remain vote overstate the supposed economic catastrophe that awaited us in the event of leaving? Again yes.

Realistically it’s going to take at least 5 years, and more realistically 10 to see what the long term effects are of leaving the bloc. Once the effects of the pandemic are in the rear view mirror, and everybody has been through a couple of election cycles we can compare the economic, political and monetary situations of the UK and EU and get a better idea of what’s occurred. My guess is that they will both be largely similar and both sides will still be having the same arguments as it won’t be conclusive either way.

Are you getting closer to realising that it has been a giant waste of time, money and energy? 

[horsefly 4,300]

5 hours ago, Fen Canary said:

This thread really is arguing for the sake of arguing it appears to me. A few hundred jobs lost here, a few hundred jobs gained there, trade down with some, increased with others etc. Did the Leave vote overplay the economic benefits of leaving? Of course they did. Did the Remain vote overstate the supposed economic catastrophe that awaited us in the event of leaving? Again yes.

Realistically it’s going to take at least 5 years, and more realistically 10 to see what the long term effects are of leaving the bloc. Once the effects of the pandemic are in the rear view mirror, and everybody has been through a couple of election cycles we can compare the economic, political and monetary situations of the UK and EU and get a better idea of what’s occurred. My guess is that they will both be largely similar and both sides will still be having the same arguments as it won’t be conclusive either way.

Phew!!! And to think the CBI, the NFU, the RHA and thousands of owners of SMEs, etc, etc have all been needlessly worrying about the costs incurred by a massive increase in paperwork and loss of trade that brexit has visited upon them. I shall endeavour my best to ensure they get your reassuring message that they just need to wait for 5-10 years to see how things turn out. Shall I also tell them to ignore the government's own advice to set up branches of their businesses in the EU to get around the onerous and destructive regulations? I'm sure they would benefit tremendously from your expert opinion on this issue.