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6 minutes ago, Jools said:

I think you should go boil your head and feed it to family members, because there's certainly nothing in it worth keeping.

Haha! Old gammon head must have been looking in the mirror.

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11 minutes ago, Jools said:

I think you should go boil your head and eat it because there's certainly nothing in it worth keeping.

What’s the point of telling lies to make some kind point to get people hating people. What you said is a lie ie you actually know it’s not true but state it as fact. Think of all the money we have paid the EU so t**** like Farage can get a pension for the rest of their life, why not give it to Covax ?
 

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5 hours ago, horsefly said:

Oh dear dumbo! Now perhaps you'd like to tell us how this poll (I can find any number of others that contradict it) makes the slightest difference to the reality of the disaster that brexit has inflicted on the UK's SMEs. Is this all you are capable of coming up with? Surely you have an answer to the chaos caused by the NI protocol.

I knew you would jump at that 🙂  and deny it, It's clear you hate news that go against your thoughts 🤣 

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1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

I knew you would jump at that 🙂  and deny it, It's clear you hate news that go against your thoughts 🤣 

Afraid not Polly! Just enjoy pointing out how stupid you are. 

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22 hours ago, BigFish said:

Thanks @Van wink, I saw this. Strangley the article online gives no attribution to where the Telegraph got their figures from. Abysmal journalism.

This in the FT today, suggesting that exports to France recovered in February, still some severe delays being reported but would seem to back up the Telegraph article referred to earlier.


"According to the latest French customs data for February, released last Thursday, the picture has improved slightly from the sharp drop in trade between the two countries seen in January. In the first month after the new UK-EU trade deal came into force on January 1, imports from the UK to France fell to 78 per cent of their monthly average for the second half of 2020. Analysts said the fall was caused by disruptions at the border with Britain and the impact of Covid-19 on global trade. While February did show a recovery, with imports from the UK to France down just 2 per cent on the monthly average for the second half of 2020, exports to the UK were still down 16 per cent compared with the same monthly average last year."

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26 minutes ago, Van wink said:

According to the latest French customs data for February, released last Thursday, the picture has improved slightly from the sharp drop in trade between the two countries seen in January. In the first month after the new UK-EU trade deal came into force on January 1, imports from the UK to France fell to 78 per cent of their monthly average for the second half of 2020. Analysts said the fall was caused by disruptions at the border with Britain and the impact of Covid-19 on global trade. While February did show a recovery, with imports from the UK to France down just 2 per cent on the monthly average for the second half of 2020, exports to the UK were still down 16 per cent compared with the same monthly average last year."

A "slight" improvement on the "sharp drop in trade" hardly justifies the Telegraph's triumphal tone. And do note that  "just 2 per cent down" is a claim being made against the trade figures for the second half of 2020. Perhaps keep the champagne on ice for the moment:

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The “tone” of the Telegraph is a matter for them Horsey, the important point is that the figures have improved from what was a very poor set for January.

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46 minutes ago, Van wink said:

The “tone” of the Telegraph is a matter for them Horsey, the important point is that the figures have improved from what was a very poor set for January.

Aye, total UK exports to the EU shot up by 46.6% (£3.7 billion) from January, with the number of UK-build car exports matching pre-pandemic levels from February 2020 --- Exports of food and livestock also rose by 77%👍

Bloody good considering the lockdowns and rather renders the Remainiacs looking evermore silly 👉  🤡🤪 😳 ☹️ 😡

I'm doing my bit in purchasing no EU foodstuffs or beverages for my homes -- It's raised my bills a tad but worth every penny 👍

In light of the EU's pathetic attempts to punish Brexit Britain, I urge others to do the same...

Love Europe, despise the EU.

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31 minutes ago, Jools said:

Aye, total UK exports to the EU shot up by 46.6% (£3.7 billion) from January, with the number of UK-build car exports matching pre-pandemic levels from February 2020 --- Exports of food and livestock also rose by 77%👍

Bloody good considering the lockdowns and rather renders the Remainiacs looking evermore silly 👉  🤡🤪 😳 ☹️ 😡

I'm doing my bit in purchasing no EU foodstuffs or beverages for my homes -- It's raised my bills a tad but worth every penny 👍

In light of the EU's pathetic attempts to punish Brexit Britain, I urge others to do the same...

Love Europe, despise the EU.

Oh dear! still pretending not to be a resident. Sad old gammon. The figures could hardly be worse than January's total disaster. Up by 46% compared to down by 78% previously, WOW!. If you really ran nursing homes they would all be bankrupt with your chronic lack of economic nous. Perhaps you could do your bit by supporting all workers to be paid a living wage and not forcing tax-payers to subsidise scrounging employers.

BTW you never did answer why you are so effusive in your support for the UK joining the CPTPP, despite the fact that your hero Farage thinks it would be a complete disaster; perhaps you can explain?

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1 hour ago, Van wink said:

The “tone” of the Telegraph is a matter for them Horsey, the important point is that the figures have improved from what was a very poor set for January.

Absolutely Winkie! And that's my point, it's a slight improvement from previously appalling figures, so hardly a surprise or a cause for dancing in the streets. But yep I'm happy to see any improvement for the poor ****s trying to save their businesses and livelihoods. Let's hope any gains aren't wiped out when the full regulations take effect in a few months time.

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I could grow 46% more hairs. I'd still be a slaphead Jools. 

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1 hour ago, Jools said:

I'm doing my bit in purchasing no EU foodstuffs or beverages for my homes -- It's raised my bills a tad but worth every penny

It says it all

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1 hour ago, BigFish said:

It says it all

2 hours ago, Jools said:

"I'm doing my bit in purchasing no EU foodstuffs or beverages for my homes -- It's raised my bills a tad but worth every penny"

Haha! I must admit I didn't even realise the EU exported gruel to the UK.

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Something Jools wanted is now costing him more but it's the EUs fault it's costing him more and not because he chose to put up barriers to trade. Moron. 

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6 hours ago, horsefly said:

A "slight" improvement on the "sharp drop in trade" hardly justifies the Telegraph's triumphal tone. And do note that  "just 2 per cent down" is a claim being made against the trade figures for the second half of 2020. Perhaps keep the champagne on ice for the moment:

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Aye. The phrase "pre-Brexit" doing a lot of heavy lifting there.... 16% DOWN on Feb 2020 is not back to normal trade levels... 

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2 hours ago, horsefly said:
2 hours ago, Jools said:

"I'm doing my bit in purchasing no EU foodstuffs or beverages for my homes -- It's raised my bills a tad but worth every penny"

Haha! I must admit I didn't even realise the EU exported gruel to the UK.

We know he is lying. He doesn't feed them.

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Five years ago today the official Leave and Remain campaigns started. Here are five big lies that the Remain campaign promoted.

Households £4,300 worse off

George Osborne unveiled a poster declaring that households would be poorer by £4,300 in 2030. Office for National Statistics show in the five years since that real disposable income per head has risen from £5,177 in the second quarter of 2016 to £5,354 at the end of 2020, even after one year of pandemic

Half a million job losses

Under Osborne, the Treasury produced multiple doomsday scenarios about the consequences for the labour market if Britain left the EU. One suggested that 'unemployment would increase by around 500,000. By the time Covid hit a million jobs were added, with the employment rate for those aged between 16 to 64 rising from 74.5 per cent in June 2016 to 76.6 per cent in January 2020 – the highest level since 1971. After one year of pandemic, employment is back to 2016 levels.

Inevitable punishment budget

Osborne told Radio 4's Today that leaving the EU would leave the UK requiring an urgent response as 'there would have to be increases in tax and cuts in public spending to fill the black hole. In the event, the UK enjoyed stronger-than-expected tax receipts since the EU referendum. Britain finished 2019 as one of the fastest growing economies in the G7.

Warnings of the big banks

Goldman Sachs – which donated half a million pounds to the Remain campaign – claimed the UK would go into recession by early 2017 with Nomura predicting a 1.3 per cent fall in GDP and Credit Suisse a 1 per cent fall. The British economy grew up until the first quarter of 2020 when Covid struck with 1.7 per cent annual GDP growth in both 2016 and 2017 followed by 1.3 per cent in 2018 and 1.4 per cent in 2019. 

Before the vote, accounting firm PricewaterhouseCoopers stated that up to 100,000 jobs in financial services would go. EY estimated last month that PWC's figure had overestimated such losses by a factor of nine, with just 7,600 going overseas as of March 2021.

Collapse of the West

Drama Queen Donald Tusk told German newspaper Der Bild that: 'As a historian I fear Brexit could be the beginning of the destruction of not only the EU but also Western political civilization in its entirety.' David Cameron issued a similar warning when he implied a third world war could grip the continent if the UK left the European Union. The only thing that looks like collapsing is the EU after the vaccine rollout fiasco

 

What does the public now think of Brexit

In a poll taken for the fanatically pro-Remain Bloomberg

62% of people believe that leaving the EU helped the UK roll out vaccines more quickly than it could have done as a member.

67% believe the EU has been ‘hostile’ to the UK during the row over vaccine supply. 

54% of people would vote to stay out in a rerun of the referendum

 

In summary, the Brexit debate is over. Project fear has failed and not only are people accepting of the referendum result,  a bigger majority would actually vote Leave having experienced the benefits of being a sovereign, independent nation once again.

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14 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Five years ago today the official Leave and Remain campaigns started. Here are five big lies that the Remain campaign promoted.

Households £4,300 worse off

George Osborne unveiled a poster declaring that households would be poorer by £4,300 in 2030. Office for National Statistics show in the five years since that real disposable income per head has risen from £5,177 in the second quarter of 2016 to £5,354 at the end of 2020, even after one year of pandemic

Half a million job losses

Under Osborne, the Treasury produced multiple doomsday scenarios about the consequences for the labour market if Britain left the EU. One suggested that 'unemployment would increase by around 500,000. By the time Covid hit a million jobs were added, with the employment rate for those aged between 16 to 64 rising from 74.5 per cent in June 2016 to 76.6 per cent in January 2020 – the highest level since 1971. After one year of pandemic, employment is back to 2016 levels.

Inevitable punishment budget

Osborne told Radio 4's Today that leaving the EU would leave the UK requiring an urgent response as 'there would have to be increases in tax and cuts in public spending to fill the black hole. In the event, the UK enjoyed stronger-than-expected tax receipts since the EU referendum. Britain finished 2019 as one of the fastest growing economies in the G7.

Warnings of the big banks

Goldman Sachs – which donated half a million pounds to the Remain campaign – claimed the UK would go into recession by early 2017 with Nomura predicting a 1.3 per cent fall in GDP and Credit Suisse a 1 per cent fall. The British economy grew up until the first quarter of 2020 when Covid struck with 1.7 per cent annual GDP growth in both 2016 and 2017 followed by 1.3 per cent in 2018 and 1.4 per cent in 2019. 

Before the vote, accounting firm PricewaterhouseCoopers stated that up to 100,000 jobs in financial services would go. EY estimated last month that PWC's figure had overestimated such losses by a factor of nine, with just 7,600 going overseas as of March 2021.

Collapse of the West

Drama Queen Donald Tusk told German newspaper Der Bild that: 'As a historian I fear Brexit could be the beginning of the destruction of not only the EU but also Western political civilization in its entirety.' David Cameron issued a similar warning when he implied a third world war could grip the continent if the UK left the European Union. The only thing that looks like collapsing is the EU after the vaccine rollout fiasco

 

What does the public now think of Brexit

In a poll taken for the fanatically pro-Remain Bloomberg

62% of people believe that leaving the EU helped the UK roll out vaccines more quickly than it could have done as a member.

67% believe the EU has been ‘hostile’ to the UK during the row over vaccine supply. 

54% of people would vote to stay out in a rerun of the referendum

 

In summary, the Brexit debate is over. Project fear has failed and not only are people accepting of the referendum result,  a bigger majority would actually vote Leave having experienced the benefits of being a sovereign, independent nation once again.

Total tosh from start to finish. We haven't even seen the full impementation of brexit regulations yet. Opinion Polls are utterly irrelevant to the facts. BTW you're supposed to provide a link to the site you stole this from, or is it too embarrassing?

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1 hour ago, horsefly said:

Total tosh from start to finish. We haven't even seen the full impementation of brexit regulations yet. Opinion Polls are utterly irrelevant to the facts. BTW you're supposed to provide a link to the site you stole this from, or is it too embarrassing?

RTB is a typical Tory. He speculates. And after 4 months of Brexit, he knows full well that any bad news will be hidden by the Covid deficit.

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I think that the fact that Swindo is the only Brexiter to regularly comment on this thread shows how bad it is actually going. The others just hide until the EU make a balls up, which has only really been the vaccine rollout.

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4 hours ago, horsefly said:

Total tosh from start to finish. We haven't even seen the full impementation of brexit regulations yet. Opinion Polls are utterly irrelevant to the facts. BTW you're supposed to provide a link to the site you stole this from, or is it too embarrassing?

I'm teaching you how to post properly - with facts and not assertions. Opinion poll results are a fact, sunny boy.

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2 hours ago, Herman said:

I think that the fact that Swindo is the only Brexiter to regularly comment on this thread shows how bad it is actually going. The others just hide until the EU make a balls up, which has only really been the vaccine rollout.

Very few post on here now because they know it's all over.

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28 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Very few post on here now because they know it's all over.

very few post on here now because of the stick they get from everyone who lost the vote !

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6 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

I'm teaching you how to post properly - with facts and not assertions. Opinion poll results are a fact, sunny boy.

Oh dear! Your usual incompetent and intellectually deficient post. Opinion polls do precisely what they say, they record OPINIONS not facts. Here is an example of a factual report:

https://www.ft.com/content/e2a57b06-d255-48f7-95ae-b1aee4b51ac7

The owner of the organic teas specialist Hampstead Teas has already made her first big decision in the wake of the biggest upheaval in trading relations between the UK and the rest of Europe in nearly five decades. “We’re setting up shop in the EU,” says Kiran Tawadey, who founded her company 25 years ago after bringing five chests of high-grade Darjeeling tea from her native India and selling the contents in 250g packets to local shops and cafés. She now sells 100,000 kilos a year. Tawadey, who currently employs nine workers blending, packing and shipping her teas out of a plant in Milton Keynes, said the decision to shift distribution to the EU had been taken after a “simply awful” 10 weeks battling EU customs formalities. “It has taken eight weeks to clear a single consignment of teas into Italy, which is completely unacceptable, and we’re now waiting to hear what the storage charges will be. It is time to move to Europe,” she said, adding the company was in the process of negotiating a lease in a distribution centre in a northern EU country. Email correspondence documenting Tawadey’s efforts to get her goods released from customs demonstrates the mind-numbing complexity of complying with labelling and packing requirements for a product like organic teas.

Each tea requires certificates of analysis, photographs of the product with the outer case, specific stickers containing details of the Italian importer, each for nine pallets of goods — or around 12,000 individual units. Hampstead Tea’s packaging and raw materials, such as chamomile, also mostly come from the EU and prices are rising with the additional bureaucracy, adding further impetus to the decision to shift operations across the Channel. “We are waiting on our company incorporation in the EU and then will move stock into a warehouse there,” she explained. Tawadey said she made the decision to set up a distribution hub in the EU reluctantly but it was the only way reliably to service clients that include big clients such as French supermarket chain Monoprix, Italian grocery giant Esselunga and German-organic health food retailer Alnatura. “We’ve had such unbearable conversations with customers that we really love and cherish, and we can’t continue the negativity in this way,” she said. Distributing from an EU hub will enable Tawadey to first shipping to her EU entity from the UK, thereby absorbing any delays, and then delivering onwards to customers in the EU reliably and without the added complications of facing multiple VAT regimes.  “People in the EU expect to pay for goods and then for them to pitch up. If they have to get on to a customs agent and then push the goods into a warehouse, and that takes an extra half day that causes a package to miss a delivery slot then customers are screaming,” she explained. Where distributing from the EU ultimately leads for the future shape of Hampstead Tea is still to fully play out. But Tawadey says the first decision has been forced on her. “I have no choice really, but it still makes me both sad and cross,” she said.

The report also contains accounts from a haulier and an aerospace parts manufacturer detailing problems brexit is causing that never existed before its introduction. REAL accounts from REAL businesses showing that brexit is causing REAL problems. The internet is flooded with thousands of stories containing exactly the same complaints. The fact that you found one opinion poll showing a favourable public opinion on Brexit (I can find you plenty that don't), is entirely irrelevant to the realities faced by businesses.

Only a buffoon of mind-numbing proportions could be so stupid as to declare that the "Brexit debate is over". We haven't even seen the implementation of the full regulations yet, and thus neither the full horrific consequences of brexit. This debate is far from over as anyone with even the slightest grasp of the realities would be well aware.

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6 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

I'm teaching you how to post properly - with facts and not assertions. Opinion poll results are a fact, sunny boy.

Opinion polls are a small snippet of what roughly 2000 people think on a certain day. They are a good resource but they can't be used as a full fact because they are so fluid.

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5 minutes ago, Herman said:

Opinion polls are a small snippet of what roughly 2000 people think on a certain day. They are a good resource but they can't be used as a full fact because they are so fluid.

Indeed! They only record "facts" (assuming they have been correctly conducted) about what a particular group of people think at a specific time, NOT what is actually fact. 

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6 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Very few post on here now because they know it's all over.

Not over at all. And we are going to hold you and your plastic patriot friends to account every day, every small **** up, every business lost and every false promise unveiled.

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10 hours ago, Herman said:

I think that the fact that Swindo is the only Brexiter to regularly comment on this thread shows how bad it is actually going. The others just hide until the EU make a balls up, which has only really been the vaccine rollout.

Not quite. I think you will find that things are going as predicted after the January decline as a result of stockpiling and teething troubles. At least according to figures from the Office of National Statistics: 

  • Exports of goods to the EU, excluding non-monetary gold and other precious metals, partially rebounded in February 2021, increasing by £3.7 billion (46.6%) after a record fall of £5.7 billion (negative 42.0%) in January.

  • The increases in exports to the EU in February 2021 were driven by machinery and transport equipment and chemicals, particularly cars and medicinal and pharmaceutical products.

  • Imports of goods from the EU, excluding non-monetary gold and other precious metals, showed a weaker increase of £1.2 billion (7.3%) in February 2021 after a record fall of £6.7 billion (negative 29.7%) in January.

  • Could it be that the last weaker increase has someting to do with the antics of Macron, Mutti and Von de Leyen since Brexit and the reported move away from EU goods by UK consumers that has resulted from this?

Then we have this from two separate surveys, one being the IMF:-

https://www.theweek.co.uk/105298/imf-british-economy-to-grow-faster-than-eurozone

I think you'll find that rather than hiding most Brexit supporters now consider the whole business yesterday's news. It's over so they have better things to do than observe the unedifying sight of some remainers perpetuating the longest cry in history on a daily basis and to the point of obsession.

Of course the insults, put downs and neo-quisling like delight in gloating at any (brexit) perceived set back that their own country is subject to is a bit off-putting as well.  

Me? I'm just stockpiling insect spray in preparation for the plague of locusts whilst wondering why Ozzy Osbourne is able to make more sense than George Osborne of late ... paranoia excluded. 

 

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